Immortal Strife wrote...
I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run. I'm still convinced that the Slayer and Shadow get their butts handed to them on Platinum for the most part.
death_for_sale wrote...
video is done uploading, no sound until it processes. I had 3 points in fitness so you will see me go down a couple of times.
Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 11 août 2012 - 07:51 .
Congratulations! You've just posted a fine example of how easy it is to exploit the design of Firebase White. Well done! Now please do the same for London, Condor and Vancouver. Or rather, ANY other map than FBW or FBG. Thank you.death_for_sale wrote...
video is done uploading, no sound until it processes. I had 3 points in fitness so you will see me go down a couple of times.
Immortal Strife wrote...
I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run.
Immortal Strife wrote...
I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run. I'm still convinced that the Slayer and Shadow get their butts handed to them on Platinum for the most part and absurdly need a DPS weapon to post a good score. Except a run with mad Phantom murders with SS.
Demolisher isn't really so much a caster as a soldier with less weapon bonus, and more grenades.Ashen Earth wrote...
Immortal Strife wrote...
I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run.
Either you're being facetious, or you didn't see his Piranha "balance" thread where he claimed the gun was OP on squishy casters, and "proved" it by buffing his shields to 1200k+ and killing the first three waves of Cerberus grunts and one Atlas on Firebase Glacier.
He has a habit of skewing his tests when arguing something is OP.
Ashen Earth wrote...
Immortal Strife wrote...
I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run.
Either you're being facetious, or you didn't see his Piranha "balance" thread where he claimed the gun was OP on squishy casters, and "proved" it by buffing his shields to 1200k+ and killing the first three waves of Cerberus grunts and one Atlas on Firebase Glacier.
He has a habit of skewing his tests when arguing something is OP.
Rebel_Raven wrote...
Demolisher isn't really so much a caster as a soldier with less weapon bonus, and more grenades.Ashen Earth wrote...
Immortal Strife wrote...
I'm very disappointed Death, I thought you were going to show the Slayer being bad ass. Next time you attempt to prove a case for something being OP please use a natural setting not a farm run.
Either you're being facetious, or you didn't see his Piranha "balance" thread where he claimed the gun was OP on squishy casters, and "proved" it by buffing his shields to 1200k+ and killing the first three waves of Cerberus grunts and one Atlas on Firebase Glacier.
He has a habit of skewing his tests when arguing something is OP.
xtorma wrote...
Here we go again.
Yes, by all means nerf the ability. I am sure you will have a new one by next week when this one gets nerfed.
Yeah. Skewed data to an extreme on that test.Ashen Earth wrote...
The Demolisher he used in that video with Maxed Fitness, and Cyclonic Modulator II is basically a Turian (as far as shields go) with full mobility.
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JAMiAM wrote...
joker_jack wrote...
Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.
Easy enough to do, if you can persuade the team to camp in the LZ, behind the car. Unfortunately, most prefer the 'common wisdom' and IMO less optimal spot of the balcony.
Death, if you need another Slayer to do a vid of Gold London Reapers using slash tactics, let me know. Mine might be a bit OP, since he's level 20 now...
death_for_sale wrote...
JAMiAM wrote...
joker_jack wrote...
Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.
Easy enough to do, if you can persuade the team to camp in the LZ, behind the car. Unfortunately, most prefer the 'common wisdom' and IMO less optimal spot of the balcony.
Death, if you need another Slayer to do a vid of Gold London Reapers using slash tactics, let me know. Mine might be a bit OP, since he's level 20 now...
It really doesn't matter Jam, this is the standard response that I always get. Doesn't matter what map I choose, some know it all will jump up and say "well gimp the character and use it on this map on platinum and you'll see how weak it is".
I was simply levelling the character and figured I would video it as an example. I'm not trying to say anything about the score, but I did exactly what I said was possible. You find a spot and hang there, maybe with one backup spot, then profit. People are idiots if they think there is not a similar camp spot on any other map.
Modifié par Aethyl, 11 août 2012 - 08:53 .
death_for_sale wrote...
JAMiAM wrote...
joker_jack wrote...
Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.
Easy enough to do, if you can persuade the team to camp in the LZ, behind the car. Unfortunately, most prefer the 'common wisdom' and IMO less optimal spot of the balcony.
Death, if you need another Slayer to do a vid of Gold London Reapers using slash tactics, let me know. Mine might be a bit OP, since he's level 20 now...
It really doesn't matter Jam, this is the standard response that I always get. Doesn't matter what map I choose, some know it all will jump up and say "well gimp the character and use it on this map on platinum and you'll see how weak it is".
I was simply levelling the character and figured I would video it as an example. I'm not trying to say anything about the score, but I did exactly what I said was possible. You find a spot and hang there, maybe with one backup spot, then profit. People are idiots if they think there is not a similar camp spot on any other map.
No. People who are idiots try to prove a point by exploiting the most infamous map in the game. They try and fail. But you already know this, you know that you bit off more than you can chew and that Biotic Slash is a power that in certain conditions works very well, and in other conditions not at all. Probably just like intended. But you have to keep on trucking cause that's what you do.death_for_sale wrote...
People are idiots if they think there is not a similar camp spot on any other map.
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Rebel_Raven wrote...
death_for_sale wrote...
JAMiAM wrote...
joker_jack wrote...
Death try this setup on london against reapers. FBWGG hardly proves your case.
Easy enough to do, if you can persuade the team to camp in the LZ, behind the car. Unfortunately, most prefer the 'common wisdom' and IMO less optimal spot of the balcony.
Death, if you need another Slayer to do a vid of Gold London Reapers using slash tactics, let me know. Mine might be a bit OP, since he's level 20 now...
It really doesn't matter Jam, this is the standard response that I always get. Doesn't matter what map I choose, some know it all will jump up and say "well gimp the character and use it on this map on platinum and you'll see how weak it is".
I was simply levelling the character and figured I would video it as an example. I'm not trying to say anything about the score, but I did exactly what I said was possible. You find a spot and hang there, maybe with one backup spot, then profit. People are idiots if they think there is not a similar camp spot on any other map.
Huh I thought you'd have rebutted against me by now considering it was my challenge you accepted.
You said it was safe there! YOU DIED! More than ANYONE ELSE! You were blasted to within an inch of your life more times than not! You were driven to cover almost every time they got down the stairs. That other angle I mentioned you could get ambushed from? Pyro roasted you coming from it, didn't it? Didn't catch him with the almighty biotic slash, did you?
Anyone using a power they can use cover with, or shooting a gun could've just grabbed'em, and disposed of him or waited until they had their shields back, and then grabbed him. Or let someone else do it.
The whole challenge you answered was to find a place where you could spam safely!
I was expecting an untouchable slayer spamming endlessly, never needing to duck, never needing a res!
What do we see? We get your rendition of how to stay in one spot, and die using slashes like pretty much everyone says will happen when you rely on it, and yet you oh so lovingly ignored the risk in your crusade. Doesn't matter! Anyone spamming from behind a wall is safe! RIGHT?!
You ignored your own information using the talon on the geth rocket trooper on the ledge! And meleed another Geth! By all means, you should have used biotic slash, and used the close range extra damage instead of the talon, or your melee! Surely the long windup of the Biotic Slash, low health, and shields would've been trumped by the immense, broken damage it does! <.<
Your slayer got his ass kicked when he was fired on, flat out. I know you didn't have full fitness but fitness isn't everyone's priority, and even if you did have full fitness you prolly would've been blasted out of your boots all the same. Or stacked his barriers even more. <.<
Lets not forget how quick that IMMENSE damage from BS took down those Geth Primes!... wait, you killed all of one of them, and cowered from the majority of them plinking them with Biotic slash the rest of the time when you weren't ducking for your life. Oh, and using a missile on one of them. Why not Biotic Slash?
But hold on! You scored higher than everyone else! OH NO!! Only the mighty slaying Slayer, and the ultimate killer the shadow can EVER do that with their slashes!... wait, no, it happens often enough with all sorts of characters. Outside of farming situations no less.
So what leg are you going to try and stand on now in your crusade against the ultimate power of death, and destruction that so rightfully needs to be nerfed because it's obviously useful in every situation, and so uber deadly?
Don't sweep me under the rug just coz you failed to hold up your end of the challenge, and a lot of people arguing agianst your claims were right.
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xtorma wrote...
Not enough controls on the video. We know your spec, but we don't know anyone elses. We don't know thier loadouts, we don't know if they bothered using equipment in a farming game. we see geth falling, but that is true in every farm game, and it didn't look to me like they were falling any faster then they would have if a destroyer or demolisher or most any class were behind the same counter. The time is about normal for a pug. If the power was super op i would have expected a lot faster of a time.
How many characters do you think could have taken your place and posted close to the same results?
If a player can stand in that same spot with a destroyer, playing with the same people, with the same loadouts, getting the same objectives and score just as much as you spamming biotic slash, then the classes are balanced. You may not like the fact that all the guy has to do is push one button over and over, but thats the nature of the game. All the destroyer would have to do would be to point and fire a piranha. in such a close narrow area, he would kill just as fast if not faster.
Now insert most high dps player classes in place of the destroyer and you would get results that would be pretty close to yours, you would just get there in a different way.
Balance is not about making every power do the exact same damage as every other power, balance is about making every character have the potential to be just as effective as any other character.
Werbal wrote...
Slash is FINE. Yes, it's powerful as hell and spammable, but at the cost of making the Shadow VERY weak. And if you've specced Tactical Cloak for damage then you're even MORE vulnerable. All the spams in the world won't save you when you decloak in front of a horde of enemies.
Couple that with a LONG wind-up animation and you've got a power that's ultimately situationally useful. The Shadow is a glass cannon - take away the cannon and all you've got is the glass and ANOTHER class that isn't worth playing.
death_for_sale wrote...
the entire point is that you can farm easily with this skill.
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