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Bold 1 - Or they could be prone to making wild leaps of judgement in emotionally charged vacuum. Or maybe they are just sick right now and angsty...

Bold 2 - This would be only the second time I have posted asking for balance on something.

Bold 3 - I have said that in a non-farm setup the power becomes more difficult to use. I have listed pros and cons. You simply choose to ignore anything I say other than the pros.

Bold 4 - Again, I gave reasons for this, you choose to ignore them.

Bold 5 - It is not crap against bosses, I killed quite a few in both sets of videos. It is only crap if you gimp the skill purposefully. Again, you choose to ignore this and spout your rhetoric.

Bold 6 - I've leveled a slayer and shadow to 20 multiple times. Then I promote. This is why I have a high N7 score. Again, you leap to conclusions and spout rhetoric.

Bold 7 - If anyone has plugged their ears and repeated themselves over and over with no logic, it is you my friend. Every single argument you put forth is illogical, full of vitriol, and ignores anything I have to say. I have come farther towards thinking that, at least on the Slayer perhaps the Slash is only borderline OP, than you have come from singing your swan song about nerfers.

Take a moment and contemplate what you have been doing, because you are really showing yourself as a rabid anti-nerfer frothing at the mouth more than someone who can debate an issue reasonably.


1: Maybe they're just tired of people like the poster? Nerf calles so eager to get something nerfed that they'll skew data, not fact check and post false data, and do so with no sense of balance  so much as merely takign away?

2: With skewed, flawed methods.

3: Then why are you still complaining that it's OP if you know the cons of it? Those cons are what make the power balanced.

Further you made numerous edits to your opening thread and there ARE NO mentions of the cons.

4: Your reasons aren't good enough. Point blank, "because you can farm easy" is not a reason for a nerf.

5: You didn't kill primes so much as got the credit for the killing strike all of once, or twice. That doesn't make a power OP nevermind good vs bosses, it just means you got in the last hit after your comrade(s) dumped firepower into him.

When I finally do see you in a position to even remotely solo a prime, you bail coz you're doing crap to it with the power, and then people come to help you.

And you bail on a prime a second time coz from what I saw your ES just made his armor flicker, and hardly did anything to damage him.

I can't see how you say it's not crap vs bosses when they'll take dozens and dozens of electric strikes to bring down? Your allies are better at taking down primes than you are.

If you bail, you obviously don't have confidence that your powers can take the enemy down.

6: It's no worse than what you do making halfassed nerf cries.

7: I've made numerous logical attempts to dissuade your line of thinking as have many others, and yet here you are, continuing with no aknowledgement of the logical points that people have brought up in your main post, only attempts to stack more and more evidence.

It's just not just me, but plenty of others who have made logical debates!

I'm not a rabid anti-nerfer, I'm a person who cares about the game, and dislikes seeing unqualified nerf calls by people who jump the gun, and don't have the experience with the class as they only later realize they're not as OP as they made them out to be. It's your persistance in making these nerf calls in the face of evidince that the power's actually pretty balanced that's frankly just irritating a lot of people.


As far as your shadow vids go, blaming lag? Really? When you get shot using a high risk ability? Excuses. We all get lag. And you do die a lot in the wind up. And shot a lot in the wind up. And shot after using the power because you're taken out of cover using the ability.

I'll give you credit for not using bleeding edge gear on this one, though.

Also, if you just now come to the realization that they may not be as OP as you think, (Clue here, they're not OP. they're powers on a caster class, so they should be worth using!) I still doubt your experience with the classes. You would've come to that conclusion before saying they're outright OP.

Furthermore, you give classes flak over using their powers... they're supposed to aren't they? A lot of casters spam powers. A lot of classes in general spam powers.

Shadow and slayer are lucky enough to have -good- powers they can spam as opposed to a lot of non-N7 classes.
Fortunately the slashes come with a heavy price to pay as you've seen with your shadow getting blasted out of her boots because she wasn't in cover thanks to ES use.


1. Repeating yourself again
2. Ditto
3. Pros and Cons are mostly listed, I'll have to locate the rest in the thread and update the OP at some point in the near future.
4. Opinion
5. If you bother to look at the points from killing the bosses you will notice that most are in the 1800-2k range. If you are just finishing off a boss you get much lower. I 'bailed' so as to set up a safer attack spot.
6. I am making a logical attempt at balance. You choose to see it the way you wish to.
7. You have done nothing once I answered your issues except cry about me 'lying'. You cannot seem to comprehend the difference between a mistake and lying. I could care less if you question my experience on the classes because honestly you show little to no knowledge of them yourself. I have quite a bit of experience on the classes. As far as the lag, yes we all have it. What YOU don't have is secondary lag due to a video recording program running in the background. Half of the time my input is responding to things my eyes saw seconds ago, it is much more difficult than without the program running.

Again, you may want to take a bit and think about your emotional responses, because you are not making much sense.

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All that video footage is showing, is that the skill is good against the non-boss's. Particularly Geth which are supposed to be more vulnerable to electrical based weaponry in the first place (arc grenades anyone?). When you are able to spam it repeatedly. Which means ideal conditions.

Watching the others around you. They out damaged you at every turn they popped up. The guy with the Indra and Piranha (last weeks devil gun) melted everything in their path before electric slash could even kill them. And electric slash barely even scratched those Primes.

I'm sorry, but the more you show of this, the less you have to support what you are saying. This skill is not over powered, its not even slightly over powered. I mean yes, you had a high score sure. But killing small fries adds up.

If you tried the same thing with Cerberus or Reapers, I doubt you would get the same results.


They did not outdamage me, except for the one Destroyer with Piranha and max gear. The first Destroyer also used missiles and was getting a lot of points from tech bursts off of my Slash dot. The guy with the Indra and Piranha was comfortably in 3rd place.

I honestly wonder if we are watching the same videos sometimes.

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All that video footage is showing, is that the skill is good against the non-boss's. Particularly Geth which are supposed to be more vulnerable to electrical based weaponry in the first place (arc grenades anyone?). When you are able to spam it repeatedly. Which means ideal conditions.

Watching the others around you. They out damaged you at every turn they popped up. The guy with the Indra and Piranha (last weeks devil gun) melted everything in their path before electric slash could even kill them. And electric slash barely even scratched those Primes.

I'm sorry, but the more you show of this, the less you have to support what you are saying. This skill is not over powered, its not even slightly over powered. I mean yes, you had a high score sure. But killing small fries adds up.

If you tried the same thing with Cerberus or Reapers, I doubt you would get the same results.


They did not outdamage me, except for the one Destroyer with Piranha and max gear. The first Destroyer also used missiles and was getting a lot of points from tech bursts off of my Slash dot. The guy with the Indra and Piranha was comfortably in 3rd place.

I honestly wonder if we are watching the same videos sometimes.


Yeah, we were, and yes. I know what I saw. every time they popped up, they melted everything before you could kill it. And you weren't the only one causing tech bursts, take note when you went to activate the one device by the ladder. You weren't anywhere near the others let alone throwing out slash's that went near their position at the time. But tech bursts were going off.

Refresh my memory on what the other guy was, it was you as a Shadow, 2 destroyers, and?

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1. Repeating yourself again
2. Ditto
3. Pros and Cons are mostly listed, I'll have to locate the rest in the thread and update the OP at some point in the near future.
4. Opinion
5. If you bother to look at the points from killing the bosses you will notice that most are in the 1800-2k range. If you are just finishing off a boss you get much lower. I 'bailed' so as to set up a safer attack spot.
6. I am making a logical attempt at balance. You choose to see it the way you wish to.
7. You have done nothing once I answered your issues except cry about me 'lying'. You cannot seem to comprehend the difference between a mistake and lying. I could care less if you question my experience on the classes because honestly you show little to no knowledge of them yourself. I have quite a bit of experience on the classes. As far as the lag, yes we all have it. What YOU don't have is secondary lag due to a video recording program running in the background. Half of the time my input is responding to things my eyes saw seconds ago, it is much more difficult than without the program running.

Again, you may want to take a bit and think about your emotional responses, because you are not making much sense.


1: It bears repeating.

2: I'm glad you agree you're using flawed data. :P

3: I don't see any reason to not use it listed. No mention of the vulnerability in using the power, and no ability to aim it up and down at the least. Yes, both of these are important.

4: And your opinions on why it's OP aren't opinion?

5: You bailed because you were plinking the bosses. At best your points came from shield stripping. I watched the life bar barely budged as you attacked.

6: No, you're not makign a logical attempt. You're using rushed data to try and get a nerf, and only updating it well after you made the post trying to nerf the power.

7: I've not called you a liar. I called you biased, and accused you of using skewed data. More or less being wrong in your findings. :P Lying? No, just wrong. Much as you condemn many detractors of being wrong.

I have practical experience, but I don't have a head for numbers, nor do I care to root out the numbers. Considering what you did with the numbers you found, it's a good thing I relied on my practical experience with the power.

As for my "emotional" responses, you need some emotion, intuition, and gut feelings when balancing a power aslong with "facts" that you've actually tested yourself.
Also some practical experience using the power.

Numbers aren't the end all, and be all. DPS is not the only factor to a power, or a weapon.

And if I were anti-nerf, then why am I not complaining about the nerfs?

No, like I said, I'm against unjustified nerfs made with knee jerk reactions.

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Wait, so you got beat out by one guy with the guy in third within spitting distance of your score you're saying the Shadow is overpowered. Using ES in conjunction with TC that is what you are claiming to be OP and not the skill alone.


I got beat by a Destroyer using the Piranha with full equipment. I specifically loaded the lowest equipment on my shadow to avoid all of the complaints about me 'gearing my results'. The SECOND destroyer that also was using top gear and a Piranha was hardly within 'spitting' distance.

My numbers with the shadow are based off of TC boosting Slash.


The damage was split between my Harrier and Piranha (I amped the rifle instead of the Shotgun). I used the Piranha to take out armored targets and the harrier to kill mooks.

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I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.

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I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.


I agree. Bioware can nerf screen shake right out of the game for all powers that shake the screen. Not just the slashes.

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

DarzgL wrote...

I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.


I agree. Bioware can nerf screen shake right out of the game for all powers that shake the screen. Not just the slashes.


While the screen shaking doesn't bother me, I can see where it would other people. Perhaps an option be put in so it can be disabled?

Also, an option to be able to change the colors of icons. As things like Hunter vision obscure them badly.

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DungeonHoek wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

DarzgL wrote...

I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.


I agree. Bioware can nerf screen shake right out of the game for all powers that shake the screen. Not just the slashes.


While the screen shaking doesn't bother me, I can see where it would other people. Perhaps an option be put in so it can be disabled?

Also, an option to be able to change the colors of icons. As things like Hunter vision obscure them badly.

Screen shake toggle? Works for me.

Agreed. It's hard to see the objective icon when in hunter mode.

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

DungeonHoek wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

DarzgL wrote...

I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.


I agree. Bioware can nerf screen shake right out of the game for all powers that shake the screen. Not just the slashes.


While the screen shaking doesn't bother me, I can see where it would other people. Perhaps an option be put in so it can be disabled?

Also, an option to be able to change the colors of icons. As things like Hunter vision obscure them badly.

Screen shake toggle? Works for me.

Agreed. It's hard to see the objective icon when in hunter mode.


Honestly I think its things like that, that need real focus on over which gun or power is the most powerful or most used.

I mean heaven forbid y'know we look at  ACTUAL issues that mess the game up. Like the Vanguard glitch. Or the disconnects. I mean, I remember when the Geth characters came out originally. People were screaming about how their eyes were bleeding because of the brightness.

Again, that was something that didn't bother me. But, I can see where that can be a problem for others. And the fact that it obscures other things is a problem when it doesn't need to be. Especially when you look at the Destroyer's Devestator mode. Or the tactical scan vision.

And this weekend event according to the numbers is not going well, either something is wrong in the numbers, or there have been a serious drop off in activity. Which given how long it took for my open game of Silver to get going yesterday (about an hour), I'm figuring that yes, people are being driven off. By crap like the nerf cries, and the bug's not getting fixed.

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1. Repeating yourself again
2. Ditto
3. Pros and Cons are mostly listed, I'll have to locate the rest in the thread and update the OP at some point in the near future.
4. Opinion
5. If you bother to look at the points from killing the bosses you will notice that most are in the 1800-2k range. If you are just finishing off a boss you get much lower. I 'bailed' so as to set up a safer attack spot.
6. I am making a logical attempt at balance. You choose to see it the way you wish to.
7. You have done nothing once I answered your issues except cry about me 'lying'. You cannot seem to comprehend the difference between a mistake and lying. I could care less if you question my experience on the classes because honestly you show little to no knowledge of them yourself. I have quite a bit of experience on the classes. As far as the lag, yes we all have it. What YOU don't have is secondary lag due to a video recording program running in the background. Half of the time my input is responding to things my eyes saw seconds ago, it is much more difficult than without the program running.

Again, you may want to take a bit and think about your emotional responses, because you are not making much sense.


1: It bears repeating.

2: I'm glad you agree you're using flawed data. :P

3: I don't see any reason to not use it listed. No mention of the vulnerability in using the power, and no ability to aim it up and down at the least. Yes, both of these are important.

4: And your opinions on why it's OP aren't opinion?

5: You bailed because you were plinking the bosses. At best your points came from shield stripping. I watched the life bar barely budged as you attacked.

6: No, you're not makign a logical attempt. You're using rushed data to try and get a nerf, and only updating it well after you made the post trying to nerf the power.

7: I've not called you a liar. I called you biased, and accused you of using skewed data. More or less being wrong in your findings. :P Lying? No, just wrong. Much as you condemn many detractors of being wrong.

I have practical experience, but I don't have a head for numbers, nor do I care to root out the numbers. Considering what you did with the numbers you found, it's a good thing I relied on my practical experience with the power.

As for my "emotional" responses, you need some emotion, intuition, and gut feelings when balancing a power aslong with "facts" that you've actually tested yourself.
Also some practical experience using the power.

Numbers aren't the end all, and be all. DPS is not the only factor to a power, or a weapon.

And if I were anti-nerf, then why am I not complaining about the nerfs?

No, like I said, I'm against unjustified nerfs made with knee jerk reactions.


1. Only if it made sense
2. You misunderstand, I wasn't agreeing with you, I was saying you are simply repeating the same illogical thing over and over again.
3. I've added the cons
4. They are an opinion based on factual data, aka a working hypothesis, yours is simply an emotional opinion because you disagree.
5. Shield stripping does not give you the lion's share of points. Do you play this game?
6. 3 days and attempted verification does not equal rushed data. I did my best and fixed what was wrong when it was pointed out.
7. You've accused me of posting false data on purpose, that pretty much equates to calling me a liar.

As far as your purported experience, given your manifest I would have to say I doubt you play that much. You have gaping holes in many areas and just barely have access to the Shadow/Slayer. You can spout RNG all you want, but players that play a lot typically have more gear unless they play primarily Silver and Bronze.

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DungeonHoek wrote...

Honestly I think its things like that, that need real focus on over which gun or power is the most powerful or most used.

I mean heaven forbid y'know we look at  ACTUAL issues that mess the game up. Like the Vanguard glitch. Or the disconnects. I mean, I remember when the Geth characters came out originally. People were screaming about how their eyes were bleeding because of the brightness.

Again, that was something that didn't bother me. But, I can see where that can be a problem for others. And the fact that it obscures other things is a problem when it doesn't need to be. Especially when you look at the Destroyer's Devestator mode. Or the tactical scan vision.

And this weekend event according to the numbers is not going well, either something is wrong in the numbers, or there have been a serious drop off in activity. Which given how long it took for my open game of Silver to get going yesterday (about an hour), I'm figuring that yes, people are being driven off. By crap like the nerf cries, and the bug's not getting fixed.


Agreed. it's a shame people can't be as intent on badgering Bioware to fix glitches, and disconnects.

And yeah, aside from being unable to see objective markers well, HM doesn't bother me, but I can empathise with others as you can, and can support changes.

And again, I agree, it's people so eager to nerf something they don't like that's sapping the board's morale, and driving people off.
I don't know how bad the board affected the numbers since there's many gamers out there that don't use the forums, but a lot of good people are leaving the boards because of people wanting nerfs.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised if we failed this op. Deceptively simple, and easy to fail.

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

DungeonHoek wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

DarzgL wrote...

I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.


I agree. Bioware can nerf screen shake right out of the game for all powers that shake the screen. Not just the slashes.


While the screen shaking doesn't bother me, I can see where it would other people. Perhaps an option be put in so it can be disabled?

Also, an option to be able to change the colors of icons. As things like Hunter vision obscure them badly.

Screen shake toggle? Works for me.

Agreed. It's hard to see the objective icon when in hunter mode.


Honestly I think its things like that, that need real focus on over which gun or power is the most powerful or most used.

I mean heaven forbid y'know we look at  ACTUAL issues that mess the game up. Like the Vanguard glitch. Or the disconnects. I mean, I remember when the Geth characters came out originally. People were screaming about how their eyes were bleeding because of the brightness.

Again, that was something that didn't bother me. But, I can see where that can be a problem for others. And the fact that it obscures other things is a problem when it doesn't need to be. Especially when you look at the Destroyer's Devestator mode. Or the tactical scan vision.

And this weekend event according to the numbers is not going well, either something is wrong in the numbers, or there have been a serious drop off in activity. Which given how long it took for my open game of Silver to get going yesterday (about an hour), I'm figuring that yes, people are being driven off. By crap like the nerf cries, and the bug's not getting fixed.


There is no player drop off, at least on the PC. The goal was set very high and the reward is the equivalent of a JEP for Wave 10 completion. Many players at this point do not bother completing Wave 10, but finish the objectives for the credits. If there would have been a worthwhile goal, such as a UR card or guaranteed gear/character card, we would be much closer to completion.

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

DungeonHoek wrote...

Honestly I think its things like that, that need real focus on over which gun or power is the most powerful or most used.

I mean heaven forbid y'know we look at  ACTUAL issues that mess the game up. Like the Vanguard glitch. Or the disconnects. I mean, I remember when the Geth characters came out originally. People were screaming about how their eyes were bleeding because of the brightness.

Again, that was something that didn't bother me. But, I can see where that can be a problem for others. And the fact that it obscures other things is a problem when it doesn't need to be. Especially when you look at the Destroyer's Devestator mode. Or the tactical scan vision.

And this weekend event according to the numbers is not going well, either something is wrong in the numbers, or there have been a serious drop off in activity. Which given how long it took for my open game of Silver to get going yesterday (about an hour), I'm figuring that yes, people are being driven off. By crap like the nerf cries, and the bug's not getting fixed.


Agreed. it's a shame people can't be as intent on badgering Bioware to fix glitches, and disconnects.

And yeah, aside from being unable to see objective markers well, HM doesn't bother me, but I can empathise with others as you can, and can support changes.

And again, I agree, it's people so eager to nerf something they don't like that's sapping the board's morale, and driving people off.
I don't know how bad the board affected the numbers since there's many gamers out there that don't use the forums, but a lot of good people are leaving the boards because of people wanting nerfs.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised if we failed this op. Deceptively simple, and easy to fail.


Well, its not like it isn't out there and known. Word spreads. Ontop of that, the glitch's aren't being missed.

But yeah, I'm not so certain we're gonna make this one.

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1. Only if it made sense
2. You misunderstand, I wasn't agreeing with you, I was saying you are simply repeating the same illogical thing over and over again.
3. I've added the cons
4. They are an opinion based on factual data, aka a working hypothesis, yours is simply an emotional opinion because you disagree.
5. Shield stripping does not give you the lion's share of points. Do you play this game?
6. 3 days and attempted verification does not equal rushed data. I did my best and fixed what was wrong when it was pointed out.
7. You've accused me of posting false data on purpose, that pretty much equates to calling me a liar.

As far as your purported experience, given your manifest I would have to say I doubt you play that much. You have gaping holes in many areas and just barely have access to the Shadow/Slayer. You can spout RNG all you want, but players that play a lot typically have more gear unless they play primarily Silver and Bronze.


1: It does make sense.

2: Bummer! I thought you had come to your senses and realized you keep using biased, and false info. I.E. not recognizing KillerAngel using the harrier and the pirahna, instead blaming it all on the pirahna. Seems biased to me. 

3: Thank you, though you missed the aim, and cluttered them with an immediate desire for nerfing. I wish you showed more care in the matter. the fact you don't shows you don't care about the cons so much as using skewed data to show you're "right."
If you're not going to take into account everything, the least you can do is take into account all factors of the powers. To not do so is pure bias.

4: With false data, and no taking into account of how practical it is to use the power, and not enough experience.

5: I still don't see how you got points considering you largely failed to hurt the primes.

6: It counts as rushed data when people pointed out you were wrong with your data. it means you didn't fact check enough which means you rushed it out. You wasted little time in announcing your attempt to get the slashes nerfed in the balance announcement thread.
Further with experience playing you start to reconsider just how OP the power is? Yet the front page doesn't reflect this either? Come on, you're not getting away with just saying it and not following through.

7: Take it how you want, then.

As far as my experience goes it doesn't take long to see that the slashes are only good for killing human sized units, are no good vs bosses, are pretty high risk to use, and there's benefits to using smash, and shockwave not inherent in Slashes.

I've played plenty of gold matches, held my own, carried my share of the load, and did pretty well.

But I do mostly play silver. It's easier to not end up in farming matches, and I don't feel obligated to burn consumeables so I can get all the consumeables you claim everyone has. <.<

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Wait, so you got beat out by one guy with the guy in third within spitting distance of your score you're saying the Shadow is overpowered. Using ES in conjunction with TC that is what you are claiming to be OP and not the skill alone.


I got beat by a Destroyer using the Piranha with full equipment. I specifically loaded the lowest equipment on my shadow to avoid all of the complaints about me 'gearing my results'. The SECOND destroyer that also was using top gear and a Piranha was hardly within 'spitting' distance.

My numbers with the shadow are based off of TC boosting Slash.


Being dense? The looks of both their kits say the piranha was not their main. Watching the video, the kill feed alternates between the Harrier, Indra, an ocassional Valiant minus the electric slashes a majority of the time.

Soldier 1  AR Amp III/Extra Ammo/Disruptor Rounds II

^^ nothing there that explains his higher results if  ES+TC is so OP

Soldier 2  Sniper Amp I/Densified Ammo/ Cryo II

^^ and it was an Indra I, he was using! an Indra I! He comes with 25k of you of course he's in spitting distance.

You were killing the scrubs in 2-3 slashes, even max gear and higher level kit you still need at least 2 slashes to kill anything other than troopers. Your damage output is technically capped and cooldown limited, with gear you would have done about the same.

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DungeonHoek wrote...

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DungeonHoek wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

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I dislike slashes because of their head bobbing effect. I hate it when people constantly spam them, it's extremely annoying, especially when you play as a sniper because it makes your aiming go crazy.


I agree. Bioware can nerf screen shake right out of the game for all powers that shake the screen. Not just the slashes.


While the screen shaking doesn't bother me, I can see where it would other people. Perhaps an option be put in so it can be disabled?

Also, an option to be able to change the colors of icons. As things like Hunter vision obscure them badly.

Screen shake toggle? Works for me.

Agreed. It's hard to see the objective icon when in hunter mode.


Honestly I think its things like that, that need real focus on over which gun or power is the most powerful or most used.

I mean heaven forbid y'know we look at  ACTUAL issues that mess the game up. Like the Vanguard glitch. Or the disconnects. I mean, I remember when the Geth characters came out originally. People were screaming about how their eyes were bleeding because of the brightness.

Again, that was something that didn't bother me. But, I can see where that can be a problem for others. And the fact that it obscures other things is a problem when it doesn't need to be. Especially when you look at the Destroyer's Devestator mode. Or the tactical scan vision.

And this weekend event according to the numbers is not going well, either something is wrong in the numbers, or there have been a serious drop off in activity. Which given how long it took for my open game of Silver to get going yesterday (about an hour), I'm figuring that yes, people are being driven off. By crap like the nerf cries, and the bug's not getting fixed.


There is no player drop off, at least on the PC. The goal was set very high and the reward is the equivalent of a JEP for Wave 10 completion. Many players at this point do not bother completing Wave 10, but finish the objectives for the credits. If there would have been a worthwhile goal, such as a UR card or guaranteed gear/character card, we would be much closer to completion.


Perhaps, but what is worthwhile to you. May not be the same for others. Just saying.

But, I do find it very strange to open up a lobby and be sitting there for such an extreme length of time. Granted people are saying they have been having trouble with the servers all weekend. But, I have never seen that before. Not on any challenge weekend, never. Not even close, unless it was really stupid early time in the morning when I should probably just go to bed. Like now.

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You seek to destroy that which you do not understand. Typical nerfer behavior. For the Flamboyant one teaches us that to hastily nerf or buff something is to panic and lose discipline. Both are unacceptable forms of behavior.

The original poster hides behind his spreadsheet like a fat ugly college virgin with no friends. For he has no honor, he is the thief that commeth in the night. Guard your flock accordingly my young shepards. For the battle of the nerfers is upon us.


So it was written.





















And so it shall be,
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I still do not see any of your points being proven here.

You were outscored by 13%
You outscored the person below you by 20%
The lowest scorer was an engineer at  level 12.

You scored 28% of the total score. So you did 3% over your share of the score.

I'm seeing a whole lot of balance here.

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THE DRAMA; CAN YOU FEEL IT?

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I thought this was supposed to be overpowered? I matched 2 biotic slash spammers in score yesterday with a Paladin. It wasn't a wide margin by any means (~1000), but if they were overpowered, surely their score would have been higher?

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K_Os2 wrote...

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Wait, so you got beat out by one guy with the guy in third within spitting distance of your score you're saying the Shadow is overpowered. Using ES in conjunction with TC that is what you are claiming to be OP and not the skill alone.


I got beat by a Destroyer using the Piranha with full equipment. I specifically loaded the lowest equipment on my shadow to avoid all of the complaints about me 'gearing my results'. The SECOND destroyer that also was using top gear and a Piranha was hardly within 'spitting' distance.

My numbers with the shadow are based off of TC boosting Slash.



Being dense? The looks of both their kits say the piranha was not their main. Watching the video, the kill feed alternates between the Harrier, Indra, an ocassional Valiant minus the electric slashes a majority of the time.

Soldier 1  AR Amp III/Extra Ammo/Disruptor Rounds II

^^ nothing there that explains his higher results if  ES+TC is so OP

Soldier 2  Sniper Amp I/Densified Ammo/ Cryo II

^^ and it was an Indra I, he was using! an Indra I! He comes with 25k of you of course he's in spitting distance.

You were killing the scrubs in 2-3 slashes, even max gear and higher level kit you still need at least 2 slashes to kill anything other than troopers. Your damage output is technically capped and cooldown limited, with gear you would have done about the same.



My output was nowhere near capped. Do you understand how gear works?

The Indra even at level 1 is quite powerful after numberous buffs plus he was using it on a class with damage and RoF boosts. Densified ammo is more damage. 25k is not spitting distance in any match.

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xtorma wrote...

I still do not see any of your points being proven here.

You were outscored by 13%
You outscored the person below you by 20%
The lowest scorer was an engineer at  level 12.

You scored 28% of the total score. So you did 3% over your share of the score.

I'm seeing a whole lot of balance here.


Yes, versus two Destroyers with good weapons and using higher level equipment than I chose to use. I also was recording and suffering the negative effects of that, probably in the neighborhood of 75% of my normal efficiency. I was also not using the skill in the typical farming setup that I would on that map.

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Probably should just let it go... Some things are more powerful than others. I'm not a huge fan of the sounds that these moves make though...