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[Rebel_Raven]

Kyerea wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Spamming it will get you killed in -all- maps, unless someone knows something I don't about an ideal camping spot. It's certainly not the tiny room in FBW.

He's most likely basing this off Firebase Glacier/Cerberus/Gold/Plat farming in the central control room. Clearly, that's what everyone plays all day.

So am I. I've done more than one run with farmers in FBW.

Behind the counters you have no cover using this ability. You'll get shot from one angle, or the other, and die.

The walls offer little advantage in that room over anyone else.

You aim at one choke point, you'll inevitably get shot from the other chokepoint, and die.

[nevets79]

yawn

[KalilKareem]

Kyerea wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Spamming it will get you killed in -all- maps, unless someone knows something I don't about an ideal camping spot. It's certainly not the tiny room in FBW.

Glacier is the new fbw simply because of slashes plus demolishers.

Which clearly the vast majority of players commit themselves to on a daily basis.

Well. Yes? Go look for a random game on platinum. Chances are you will get glaciers because that is what ppl play.

[Kyerea]

KalilKareem wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Spamming it will get you killed in -all- maps, unless someone knows something I don't about an ideal camping spot. It's certainly not the tiny room in FBW.

Glacier is the new fbw simply because of slashes plus demolishers.

Which clearly the vast majority of players commit themselves to on a daily basis.

Well. Yes? Go look for a random game on platinum. Chances are you will get glaciers because that is what ppl play.

I play Reaper Platinum, so no, I do not get Glacier spam. In fact, when I do U/U/P, I rarely get Firebase Glacier Cerb Plat. And when I do, I see one Slasher who quickly dies off due to numerous CQC Geth Hunters in the room.

Modifié par Kyerea, 11 août 2012 - 01:19 .

[AresKeith]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Spamming it will get you killed in -all- maps, unless someone knows something I don't about an ideal camping spot. It's certainly not the tiny room in FBW.

He's most likely basing this off Firebase Glacier/Cerberus/Gold/Plat farming in the central control room. Clearly, that's what everyone plays all day.

So am I. I've done more than one run with farmers in FBW.

Behind the counters you have no cover using this ability. You'll get shot from one angle, or the other, and die.

The walls offer little advantage in that room over anyone else.

You aim at one choke point, you'll inevitably get shot from the other chokepoint, and die.

I only do FBW and FBG when I'm low on credits, after 100K then I play for real lol

[KalilKareem]

I play Reaper Platinum, so no, I do not get Glacier spam. In fact, when I do U/U/P, I rarely get Firebase Glacier Cerb Plat. And when I do, I see one Slasher who quickly dies off due to numerous CQC Geth Hunters in the room.

Luls. If hunters can get into the room you are doing it wrong with properly executed slashing and nades only banshees makes it in alive.

[Raphamon]

@OP:

There are a couple of things you are forgetting. First of all both the N7 Shadow and N7 Slayer are extremely squishy. They have very low starting health and investing points in FITNESS does not help them much for that reason. When using the Shadow/Slayer once an enemy gets you in its sights it doesn't have to do much to take you down. These characters need high damage powers to make up for their extremely low health. Even if you spec the Shadow/Slayer to achieve the most DPS possible staying alive and not getting hit is the trick with these characters.

Then you need to take into account that Electric/Biotic Slash is the only way for the Shadow/Slayer to deal with mobs. It is the only crowed control skill they have. Also Electric/Biotic Slash takes a while to kill an Atlas/Brute/Banshee/Geth Prime/Phantom. I've seen players take down full health/barrier Banshees with the Particle Rifle much faster than a fully specced Electric/Biotic Slash can. So these skills are not "overpowered" as you seem to think. Yes, they can go through walls but that is the only way they can be used safely due to the low health of the Shadow/Slayer.

Then there is the N7 Slayer. In all honesty the ONLY good skill he has is Biotic Slash. That lazer palm thing is complete garbage, plus it drains his shields. A character with such low health can't afford to have his shields drained for any reason. And Biotic Charge is easily the most glitched thing in the entire ME series. Using Biotic Charge is not an option for many of us because we don't want to take the risk of getting stuck in a wall. So this character only has one good skill. If they nerf that then this character will literally become unplayable. Do you want people using these characters to use guns instead? Their low health does not allow them to take on the enemy in a gun fight.

The more I read your post the more I start to think you are just salty because some random using the N7 Shadow/Slayer outscored you during a match. Leave the Shadow/Slayer alone. We've had enough things in this game get nerfed to hell by now.

[Zero 2362]

Dillon79 wrote...

Try using a black widow with a shadow-****** on your team. Good luck hitting 2/3 shots.

My teammate is a GI with a BW. he has never once complaind about me using my shadow

[Kyerea]

KalilKareem wrote...

I play Reaper Platinum, so no, I do not get Glacier spam. In fact, when I do U/U/P, I rarely get Firebase Glacier Cerb Plat. And when I do, I see one Slasher who quickly dies off due to numerous CQC Geth Hunters in the room.

Luls. If hunters can get into the room you are doing it wrong with properly executed slashing and nades only banshees makes it in alive.

Uh, I stated during Firebase Cerb Gold/Plat games on Glacier it's mostly CQC Geth Hunters. During the beginning of my sentence I stated I preferred playing Reaper Plat but when I do U/U/P I rarely get the Firebase Glacier Cerb Plat rooms. When I do get them, it's just one Slasher with numerous CQC Geth Hunters.

Pro-tip: Read more.

[Ashen One]

I came in here prepared to tell the OP that he was opening a can of worms with this topic...

But I'm sure he knows that by now with the responses in this thread.

[Kyerea]

Ashen Earth wrote...

I came in here prepared to tell the OP that he was opening a can of worms with this topic...

But I'm sure he knows that by now with the responses in this thread.

I was wondering when you'd stumble into here Ash-kun.

[TAlTAl]

some man just wants to see the world burn,

[Rebel_Raven]

Ashen Earth wrote...

I came in here prepared to tell the OP that he was opening a can of worms with this topic...

But I'm sure he knows that by now with the responses in this thread.

Honestly, I think it's some perverse need for attention, and trying to make a huge thread more than anything.

[Zero 2362]

Dillon79 wrote...

Try using a black widow with a shadow-****** on your team. Good luck hitting 2/3 shots.

Why would a long range Character be fighting right next to a CQC character? One of you isnt playing the game the right way

[Zero 2362]

KalilKareem wrote...

SgtAmazing wrote...

No one I have ever seen who posts these threads ever seems to think about why the abilities may be "over powered." The Slayer and Shadow have horrible shields and armor and cannot take very many hits. Both are best carrying minimal fire power (pistol and / or SMG,) and have close range abilities that can get them killed instantly. Maybe the damage is to compensate for being very weak. These characters do not operate very well with anything other than pistols or SMGs because of the recharge speed of their powers, so you end up sacrificing firepower for tech and biotics. You shouldnt be thinking about balancing them with other characters, but balancing them with themselves. The slayer is fast, can teleport through walls, use biotic slash, sacrifices shields for phase disruptor, biotic jumps into enemy while having horrible shields / health. Maybe biotic slash is the way it is because of all the negatives.  Shadow can be spotted and hit prior to getting her shadow strike off getting her killed fairly quickley. 

Both classes operates perfectly well with Piranah equipped.

Everything operates perfectly well with piranha equipped. Your point is moot

[LuckyBullet95]

[its THAT guy]

I whole heartedly agree with the OP. Using such highly damaging powers through walls is Overpowered as hell and is simply a crutch used by terribad players to get into higher difficulties. Sure, I don't have any actual factual data to back it up, nor much real in-game experience with said powers, but the OP does, and that's good enough for me. All the rest of you care-bears and whiners in this thread need to get off your high horses and realize that this guy is showing a valid point with real, statistical evidence to back up his claims. I have yet to see anyone be able to disprove OP's point with factual evidence, so all of ya'll can STFU.

[svocke2]

its THAT guy wrote...

I whole heartedly agree with the OP. Using such highly damaging powers through walls is Overpowered as hell and is simply a crutch used by terribad players to get into higher difficulties. Sure, I don't have any actual factual data to back it up, nor much real in-game experience with said powers, but the OP does, and that's good enough for me. All the rest of you care-bears and whiners in this thread need to get off your high horses and realize that this guy is showing a valid point with real, statistical evidence to back up his claims. I have yet to see anyone be able to disprove OP's point with factual evidence, so all of ya'll can STFU.

its a trick, don't fall for it.

[Ashen One]

Zero 2362 wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

SgtAmazing wrote...

No one I have ever seen who posts these threads ever seems to think about why the abilities may be "over powered." The Slayer and Shadow have horrible shields and armor and cannot take very many hits. Both are best carrying minimal fire power (pistol and / or SMG,) and have close range abilities that can get them killed instantly. Maybe the damage is to compensate for being very weak. These characters do not operate very well with anything other than pistols or SMGs because of the recharge speed of their powers, so you end up sacrificing firepower for tech and biotics. You shouldnt be thinking about balancing them with other characters, but balancing them with themselves. The slayer is fast, can teleport through walls, use biotic slash, sacrifices shields for phase disruptor, biotic jumps into enemy while having horrible shields / health. Maybe biotic slash is the way it is because of all the negatives.  Shadow can be spotted and hit prior to getting her shadow strike off getting her killed fairly quickley. 

Both classes operates perfectly well with Piranah equipped.

Everything operates perfectly well with piranha equipped. Your point is moot

The glass cannon AA with zero points in fitness would probably benefit more from a ranged weapon than the Piranha which is only useful at point blank range unless you're a GI/GE/Tsol/Destroyer

[DungeonHoek]

Darksaberexile wrote...

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

what shadows are even staying stationary and using that ability like that? All the ones I see are too busy porting around lopping heads off. I myself only use electric slash during hack circles.

This. So very much this.

I play a Shadow most of the time, but I only use slash more than once if SS would be suicide, or I'm in a hacking objective. Shadow Strike isn't very conducive to hacking, and the Talon isn't great for gunning things down from inside the hacking circle either.

Yeah seriously, my Shadow build is a serious hit and run build. I use Shadow Strike more then anything else and then duck and run. Sure I can use electric slash. But I really only use it if I have to, and it's really only good for pushing the enemy back and buying time for me to escape or do an escort and it rarely kills.

And my Slayer isn't even specced for Biotic slash anymore. I frikkin HAAATE how that skill works. It's wind up time is so awful when I would use it I would have to be behind cover or 9 out of 10 times I would get gunned down before the animation finished. I'm much happier with ToLazy's build which allows me to actively take the fight to the enemy with my slayer, which is how I envisioned the slayer in the first place.

These are not skills I see needing nerfs.

[its THAT guy]

svocke2 wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

I whole heartedly agree with the OP. Using such highly damaging powers through walls is Overpowered as hell and is simply a crutch used by terribad players to get into higher difficulties. Sure, I don't have any actual factual data to back it up, nor much real in-game experience with said powers, but the OP does, and that's good enough for me. All the rest of you care-bears and whiners in this thread need to get off your high horses and realize that this guy is showing a valid point with real, statistical evidence to back up his claims. I have yet to see anyone be able to disprove OP's point with factual evidence, so all of ya'll can STFU.

its a trick, don't fall for it.

Not a trick. It's a fact. Fact. FACTTTTT. F.A.C.T.

Got it? The OP is right, all you care-bears are wrong and can't stand it so you troll his thread with constant whining and ****ing. Jesus.

[svocke2]

its THAT guy wrote...

svocke2 wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

I whole heartedly agree with the OP. Using such highly damaging powers through walls is Overpowered as hell and is simply a crutch used by terribad players to get into higher difficulties. Sure, I don't have any actual factual data to back it up, nor much real in-game experience with said powers, but the OP does, and that's good enough for me. All the rest of you care-bears and whiners in this thread need to get off your high horses and realize that this guy is showing a valid point with real, statistical evidence to back up his claims. I have yet to see anyone be able to disprove OP's point with factual evidence, so all of ya'll can STFU.

its a trick, don't fall for it.

Not a trick. It's a fact. Fact. FACTTTTT. F.A.C.T.

Got it? The OP is right, all you care-bears are wrong and can't stand it so you troll his thread with constant whining and ****ing. Jesus.

its a trick, don't fall for it.

[Zero 2362]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

svocke2 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero 2362 wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

I just think that the slashes need to have they're reach shortened. When these abilites can out reach smash & flamer by a country mile than something is wrong. Shorten them down to 5 or 10 meatures than drop they're evo to 5 meatures & everything wil be cherry.

And what about shockwave? its a similar power only with less damage and no qind up. All in all its a lot easier to use and the character isnt half as easy to kill. Why hasnt this been brought up? I actually think shokwave is far easier to use in thiss situation than the slashes are

Shockwave has shorter range and does about 1/4 the damage of Biotic Slash.

Shockwave wont serve you up on a platter for Rocket troopers to skull**** you 

Even the most braindead Slash spammers figure out how to spam Slash without taking many hits.  I'll take the wind-up any day for 4x the damage.

Shokwave can alsofire in all directions while slash cannot be fired up or down

[Kyerea]

Still waiting for a response death, or is it too rational a statement?

[Zero 2362]

KalilKareem wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Spamming it will get you killed in -all- maps, unless someone knows something I don't about an ideal camping spot. It's certainly not the tiny room in FBW.

Glacier is the new fbw simply because of slashes plus demolishers.

Which clearly the vast majority of players commit themselves to on a daily basis.

Well. Yes? Go look for a random game on platinum. Chances are you will get glaciers because that is what ppl play.

So because it has practical application on one map and one map only it should be nerfed. Hey everyone lets all nerf Infiltrators because they have an advantage in big open maps