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[Zaidra]

Yeah, of the games that I've played, I'd say me3, but KOTOR 2 is a close second.

[Hrothdane]

MGS2's ending was weird, but it mostly made sense when taken literally and didn't violate a core gameplay theme of player choice. Players were confused and disappointed, but in my experience, the MGS community just writes it off as "oh that Hideo Kojima is a weird one."

The outcry about the ME3 endings was unprecedented. I think we have all seen the poll in which over 90% of 50k+ responders said the endings sucked. That level of agreement is ridiculous. Unless Bioware does something huge, Mass Effect 3 will only be remembered for a crappy ending. Players were not only disappointed and confused, but many felt insulted and manipulated. Those feelings won't go away any time soon, and it will take more than a band-aid like the EC to fix that.

[GhaleonUnlimited]

Mr.House wrote...

It's bad, but to this day I think it's MGS2, because NOTHING, and I mean nothing makes even remotely sense, even in-universe. Even Kojima admitted he made a mistake.

MGS2 isn't supposed to be taken literally. Literally.

The ending with Raiden saying "WTF was real", and Snake says "It doesn't matter what the words were; try to find the meaning behind the words." Meaning don't let other people decide your reality; think for yourself. One of the first post-modern gaming experiences--MGS2 is a troll on the player, playing on their expectations built from MGS1.

If you play the game with that in mind you'll enjoy it a lot more instead of thinking about the basically dream-like plot.

But I can't say Kojima told it brilliantly or in a way well enough for people to get it without years of replay, discussion and debate. But he himself has said this is what he was trying to say, and now I love love love it.

Anyone who played MGS2 would benefit by watching this MGS2 10-year-anniversary breakdown by TheSnakeSoup's Ravi Singh, just completed in Nov. 2011: www.youtube.com/watch

That's kind of the opposite of ME3's ending now that I think about it, lol.

I've been hoping IT was just like MGS2 -- a huge troll on the audience who wouldn't realize it if you took everything literally. Maybe if you looked closer at all the weird crap there was the TRUE meaning there. But in ME3's case, I guess not, at this point.

edit: Speaking of MGS2, whereas Kojima lamented that no one got what he was trying to say, so he just told us (the players) afterwards through interviews ... I think BioWare needs to do the same because as it is this crap isn't worth speculating about. They should at least say "We were going for X, and nobody got it." or something, because they COMPLETELY failed and their fanbase still seems livid, and that's turning into apathy toward BW.

Modifié par GhaleonUnlimited, 11 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[Ghost]

ME3

-Biggest fan outcry.

-FAR from worst ending.

[SpamBot2000]

Biggest outcry sure. As for other bad endings, did KoTOR 2 wreck the Star Wars Universe? Did NWN 2 blow up the Forgotten Realms? Etc.

[LilLino]

Ripping off Deus Ex is not the ending game deserved, but it doesn't make it bad. Especially with Extended Cut now, where I'm sure that destroy doesn't put galaxy back into stone age.

It's a cheap way to end the trilogy, but Deus Ex' endings are really good..just..shouldn't be used here.

[Binary_Helix 1]

A bunch of games listed here don't even come close. The only title that can sorta match the controversy is MGS2 but it wasn't the ending that provoked outrage. ME3 has no equal. It's a pioneer in bad. It'll be citied as a case study in business schools.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 11 août 2012 - 09:02 .

[babymoon]

For me personally, yes. And I've even played Final Fantasy XIII-2.

ME3's was the equivalent of a sh*tty cliffhanger, but knowing that nothing else would ever come of it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well it was the worst ending of any video game I ever played.

Regarding Fallout 3. I took so damned long to get through that, that I role played it at the end, and when it came to making that choice at the end I'd had a save game before Project Purity, and I think I took the look at Butch and decided to leave the place with him, and let it blow up. **** the water. Like I said: sacrifice is overrated. Then Broken Steel came out. I had to go back and pick up a bunch of achievements I'd missed so I replayed it and after I did enough slaving to get enough caps, became good enough to get Fawkes as a follower and let Fawkes go in -- again sacrifice is overrated.

Bottom line is that character sacrifice in a game is not something that can be forced on a player. It doesn't endear the player to the story.

[Adanu]

Seriously?! Of all the really stupid games out there, you had to pick this one? You people are beyond hopeless.

[Outlawstar15a2]

I don't want to hear about bad endings I suffered through Deus Ex 2's ending and Kane and Lynch 2's ending was literally you run for the plane and the credits roll.... I played through both. I want my damn cookie now. I want my milk and coooookies.

[Reorte]

Adanu wrote...

Seriously?! Of all the really stupid games out there, you had to pick this one? You people are beyond hopeless.

It's not as bad if it's part of a game that's equally bad all the way through. If ME3 had an atrocious ending to finish off an atrocious trilogy people would just be laughing at it. To be really awful something doesn't have to be bad in its own right but has to stand out in stark contrast to what's gone before.

[SpamBot2000]

Adanu wrote...

Seriously?! Of all the really stupid games out there, you had to pick this one? You people are beyond hopeless.

Solid contribution to the debate there. I guess you are just hopeless, not beyond like the rest of us.

[legion999]

Sniper Ghost Warrior just ends.

[Adanu]

No. Anger does not make a video game ending bad. You want really bad? Try Chrono Cross. There's your bad ending. ME3 was awesome in comparison.

[Fredvdp]

Final Fantasy XIII-2 ended with a huge downer followed by "to be continued." While I think ME3's ending isn't as bad, it's definitely more notorious because of a very vocal community.

[o Ventus]

If it isn't the worst, it's certainly up there.

[someguy1231]

Flat-out worst ending? No.

Most disappointing ending? Definitely.

[ChrisDV]

I don't see how people can defend Halo 2's ending. It just... ends. It's all set-up that you're going to get a kick-ass level or boss fight, and then the game just ends & reminds you to buy Halo 3.

[Jassu1979]

I suppose there are plenty of endings out there that are worse, but they usually belong to games that are of a considerably lower quality than the Mass Effect series as well.

What makes the ME3 ending so horrible is not only its inherent awfulness, but how sharply it contrasts with everything that came before: these were some high-quality games with a focus on gripping narrative, dialogue and character development.

THAT's what makes ME3's ending go down in VG-history as one of the worst endings ever.

[SpamBot2000]

What pushes ME3 to the top of the list is the sheer amount of contempt behind the ending. While it's not surprising many people refuse to acknowledge it, I suspect they can feel it in a general sense of ill-defined injury. I simply cannot think of any that compare.

[o Ventus]

ChrisDV wrote...

I don't see how people can defend Halo 2's ending. It just... ends. It's all set-up that you're going to get a kick-ass level or boss fight, and then the game just ends & reminds you to buy Halo 3.

Halo 2's ending didn't nullify the events in Halo 1. Nor did it commit thematic suicide or turn the main protagonist into s blathering idiot.

I can scarcely say Halo 2 even had an ending, the cliff it hung from was so steep.

[res27772]

Well, I can only speak from my own experience, but yes, ME3 has the worst ending I've seen... primarily because of a: Star Kid, and b: Because your choice isn't really your own choice, it's a choice forced on you by Star Kid/EA/BW.

[satunnainen]

Maybe me3 just had the worst fans. I didnt find me3 ending particularly bad, when compared to some other endings.