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[Cutlass Jack]

The worst ending of all time? Not even close. The most whined about ending? Yeah probably.

[Uncle Jo]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

Maybe me3 just had the worst fans. I didnt find me3 ending particularly bad, when compared to some other endings.

People disliking a bad ending doesn't mean the fanbase is bad, it means they're smart.

Smart? Really? So it's smart to hate like most of them did? To almost threaten to bring down Bioware?

Smart isn't the most important thing, it was how the hate was shown. That's the problem of peoeple, not just gamers these days: They  think thay they're the most important a**** in the world, and they're not. It's fine to dislike it, just don't act like most did.

If they would have been calm, things might not be like they are now. but noooooooooo.

I agree that threatening BW was all but a clever idea. But if the fanbase stayed calm, you'd never have got the (free) EC.
BW scre**d up their endings. No matter how you look at it, it was an epic fail. The uproar was proportional. You reap what you sow.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Right now, given all the hype the game had coming in, and the way in which the PR was handled, I think ME3 does have the most notorious ending ATM.

But if the speculation regarding the SP DLCs possibly adding new ending is to be believed, all this trouble should be forgotten in time.

In any case, I think there have been worse endings before, so ME3's current notoriety should simmer down.

[JBPBRC]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Right now, given all the hype the game had coming in, and the way in which the PR was handled, I think ME3 does have the most notorious ending ATM.

But if the speculation regarding the SP DLCs possibly adding new ending is to be believed, all this trouble should be forgotten in time.

In any case, I think there have been worse endings before, so ME3's current notoriety should simmer down.

Pretty much this. ME3 is the most recent bad ending to a successful franchise, and, thanks to the widespread usage of the internetz, is more publicized than previous bad game endings, thus notoriety.

While there have been worse endings, this one will probably stick around for a while as an example of what NOT to do. Hey, at least its a memorable ending.

[adneate]

Really the only endings that come to mind as being as monumentally horrible and utter betrayals of a loyal fan base are probably other EA products. Ultima 9 basically destroyed the entire franchise and the ending was a spit in the face of everyone who ever played the other games and Command and Conquer 4 is probably a betrayal of equal magnitude where you come to the conclusion that the people who made the game don't just "Not Get" the story they have a burning seething contempt for it and all the fans who ever enjoyed it.

The games were created specifically to retroactively destroy fond memories of the franchise and brutally rape the setting and characters until players feel physical revulsion. Mass Effect 3's ending is horrible but EA has managed to commit far greater crimes on far better franchises. I think this was just the first time a mainstream game for all the console kiddies got the EA screw job.

[OhDihBot]

Undoubtedly. Not only because of how bad it was, but because it was the exact opposite of Bioware stated it would be, and because of how much of a drop in quality it was compared to the rest of the series.

[JBPBRC]

adneate wrote...

Really the only endings that come to mind as being as monumentally horrible and utter betrayals of a loyal fan base are probably other EA products. Ultima 9 basically destroyed the entire franchise and the ending was a spit in the face of everyone who ever played the other games

This, this THIS.

If the Ultima 9 treatment were given to ME3 we would be given scenes like this:

Turian Councilor: Shepard we have decided to uphold your Spectre status!
Shepard: What's a Spectre?

Balak: Its all your fault! All of it! You're the reason my people, the Batarians, are ruined! (paraphrased)
Shepard: I'm sorry. Who---what are the Batarians?

As bad as ME3 was, with EA at the helm, we could've had FAR worse. Just let that sink in for a moment.

[adneate]

JBPBRC wrote...
If the Ultima 9 treatment were given to ME3 we would be given scenes like this:

Also Female Shepard would just be gone, there would be only one option for Shepard which would be Sheploo, Shepard wouldn't know who died on Virmire, what N7 means, what the council is, what a mass relay is, who the Reapers are or why we are fighting them. Everyone would act and look totally different, Jack wouldn't be a biotic and Garrus would use shotguns not sniper rifles.

Though we'd keep the hero is somehow guilty for the deaths of innocents and makes a "heroic" sacrifice even though they don't have to and that sacrifice doesn't make any sense. It's just some pretentious poorly written garbage about things that don't make any sense and are contradicted by earlier events of the story.

[SpamBot2000]

Ultima IX? Wasn't that bad. Then again, I missed parts VI-VIII, so I was not as invested in it at the time. But honestly, did mainstream news report a huge uproar over it? Not that I can recall.

And at least it didn't ruin Ultima IV... But hey, "BioWare" are making a F2P MMO of that one.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 11 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[Postman778]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

Maybe me3 just had the worst fans. I didnt find me3 ending particularly bad, when compared to some other endings.

People disliking a bad ending doesn't mean the fanbase is bad, it means they're smart.

Smart? Really? So it's smart to hate like most of them did? To almost threaten to bring down Bioware?

Smart isn't the most important thing, it was how the hate was shown. That's the problem of peoeple, not just gamers these days: They  think thay they're the most important a**** in the world, and they're not. It's fine to dislike it, just don't act like most did.

If they would have been calm, things might not be like they are now. but noooooooooo.

Gamers are the most important a**** in the world for every gaming company.

And yes, Mass Effect 3 has by far the most notoriously bad ending in any game I have ever played. Even with the EC. ME is dead for me. The ending destroys a whole series for me, that is the bad thing. And it makes me angry for spending 50€ on ME, 75€ ME2 CE, ~40€ for the ME DLC´s , 75€ ME3 CE, ~50€ on Artbooks and books I won´t read anymore...

Oh yes, I am really, really happy and thankfull to Bioware.
Sorry for being sarcastic, but they got enough of money

[JBPBRC]

adneate wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...
If the Ultima 9 treatment were given to ME3 we would be given scenes like this:

Also Female Shepard would just be gone, there would be only one option for Shepard which would be Sheploo, Shepard wouldn't know who died on Virmire, what N7 means, what the council is, what a mass relay is, who the Reapers are or why we are fighting them. Everyone would act and look totally different, Jack wouldn't be a biotic and Garrus would use shotguns not sniper rifles.

Though we'd keep the hero is somehow guilty for the deaths of innocents and makes a "heroic" sacrifice even though they don't have to and that sacrifice doesn't make any sense. It's just some pretentious poorly written garbage about things that don't make any sense and are contradicted by earlier events of the story.

He also wouldn't know that he needs to eat or sleep to keep his strength up, who The Illusive Man is, what Cerberus is, have no idea about any form of AIs, including EDI and the Geth, be wildly scizophrenic and comdemn a certain type of behavior one minute, then turn around not two minutes later and say, well why didn't you do this one thing that I just comdemned that other guy for?

We'd also be given the option to randomly feed the Council, Wrex, the Turian Primarch, the Dalatrass and Aria a loaf of bread laced with rat poison. And they would eat it without question.

Do these examples that adneate and I are posting sound absurd? Abso-frigging-lutely. They are unfortunately all true in the context of the Ultima series, but given a Mass Effect twist to see the horrors EA could've done.

But at least there isn't a part where every time we try and hurt the Guardian Catalyst we end up just hurting oursevles right? That would be funny. HAHAHAH--oh wait. <_<

[adneate]

SpamBot2000 wrote...
But honestly, did mainstream news report a huge uproar over it? Not that I can recall.

Well no because they are all souless corporate sock puppets who were all lining up to declare Ultima 9 the Alpha and Omega of cRPGs and fellate EA with glowing universal praise. Not a single "professional" reviewer ever mentioned the catastrophe that was ME3's ending either, the most you got was people saying it was "A bit convoluded". Which is like saying a 3 foot barbed spear through the heart is "just a flesh wound".

It was the people who actually had to pay $50 for that garbage that got angry, not the people who get it for free and know their organization will be punished by the publisher if they provide an honest opinion.

[Blitzhawk65]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Halo 2

KOTOR 2

Original Neverwinter Nights 2 (before Mask of the Betrayer, which - and I want to be clear here - redeemed every last bit of NWN2 and more)

Final Fantasy 13

Fallout 3

Metal Gear Solid 2

I could go on, if you want me to.

While I would agree that most of those endings were not very satisfying, many of them were not the end of the story (Halo 2, NWN2, MGS2).  Games with an expected sequel do not need a strong ending because it isn't the end of the story, just the end of the chapter.

FF13's ending doesn't belong on the list.  Ignoring the fact that there was another game after FF13, FF13's ending wrapped up the story well-enough.

Fallout 3's ending was terrible, but it was ultimately changed in a substantial manner.  Bethesda actually listened to its fans instead of throwing out BS terms such as "art."

No excuses for KOTOR 2, I'll give you that one.  It isn't as "notoriously bad" as ME3s because not many people played KOTOR 2, but it is bad.

Keep going

Modifié par Blitzhawk65, 11 août 2012 - 03:49 .

[JBPBRC]

Blitzhawk65 wrote...

While
I would agree that most of those endings were not very satisfying, many
of them were not the end of the story (Halo 2, NWN2, MGS2).  Games with
an expected sequel do not need a strong ending because it isn't the end
of the story, just the end of the chapter.

YES! Someone who sees the light! Think of The Empire Strikes Back people! That ending would've been HORRIBLE if that was the end of the Star Wars saga. Luke finds out Vader is his dad, get his ass kicked, gets his hand chopped off, Han is frozen and taken prisoner, the Rebels are on the run, the Empire seems to be winning everywhere it goes...middle installments don't need a satisfying ending to be awesome. Its the finale in the final installment that counts.

adneate wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...
But honestly, did mainstream news report a huge uproar over it? Not that I can recall.

Well no because they are all souless corporate sock puppets who were all lining up to declare Ultima 9 the Alpha and Omega of cRPGs and fellate EA with glowing universal praise. Not a single "professional" reviewer ever mentioned the catastrophe that was ME3's ending either, the most you got was people saying it was "A bit convoluded". Which is like saying a 3 foot barbed spear through the heart is "just a flesh wound".

It was the people who actually had to pay $50 for that garbage that got angry, not the people who get it for free and know their organization will be punished by the publisher if they provide an honest opinion.

Pretty much this yeah. It was ME3 years before ME3. Glowing professional reviews, dissatified fans who had stuck with it the entire franchise abhorred it.

This guy pretty much nails it:

http://spoonyexperim...-retrospective/

Modifié par JBPBRC, 11 août 2012 - 03:51 .

[-Skorpious-]

Worst? No. Most disappointing and unsatisfying? Most definitely.

[Blitzhawk65]

Adanu wrote...

No. Anger does not make a video game ending bad. You want really bad? Try Chrono Cross. There's your bad ending. ME3 was awesome in comparison.

It was confusing on how to reach Crono Cross' true ending, but it was not bad and far from the worst in VG history.  Chrono Cross had a confusing plot to begin with, but the ending resolved the reason why the problems in Chrono Cross existed (Schala's merging with the time devourer) and left Serge with the ability to live his life free from the problems that he faced in Crono Cross.  It is also implied that Kid will find him in the future.

I completely disagree with your opinion, and you are not doing yourself any favors in arguing your opinion by throwing out blanket statements containing no substance (i.e. "you are all beyond hopeless").

[fealhach]

He also wouldn't know that he needs to eat or sleep to keep his strength up, who The Illusive Man is, what Cerberus is, have no idea about any form of AIs, including EDI and the Geth, be wildly scizophrenic and comdemn a certain type of behavior one minute, then turn around not two minutes later and say, well why didn't you do this one thing that I just comdemned that other guy for?

We'd also be given the option to randomly feed the Council, Wrex, the Turian Primarch, the Dalatrass and Aria a loaf of bread laced with rat poison. And they would eat it without question.

You actually make me want to play it now. Oh, wait. You said EA did this?

**** that.

Seven years after playing it, I find myself angrier over KOTOR2 than ME3's ending. I wanted to burn Kreia at the stake 30 seconds into meeting her, but the option never came up. Everybody's evil? Really? **** that too.

[Doofe2012]

It's not really that bad, but it was just incredibly unfitting for the Mass Effect series. Both thematically and in terms of quality. Fans have rightly come to expect a certain level of excellence from Bioware.

[BatmanPWNS]

It had the biggeset negative reaction, that's for sure.

[SpamBot2000]

adneate wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...
But honestly, did mainstream news report a huge uproar over it? Not that I can recall.

Well no because they are all souless corporate sock puppets who were all lining up to declare Ultima 9 the Alpha and Omega of cRPGs and fellate EA with glowing universal praise. Not a single "professional" reviewer ever mentioned the catastrophe that was ME3's ending either, the most you got was people saying it was "A bit convoluded". Which is like saying a 3 foot barbed spear through the heart is "just a flesh wound".

It was the people who actually had to pay $50 for that garbage that got angry, not the people who get it for free and know their organization will be punished by the publisher if they provide an honest opinion.

Oh, I paid full price for U9... It was my first real PC game after a lost decade of not much gaming. I guess I just liked the pretty 3d Britannia too much to pay attention to many of its issues. Even when it routinely played like a not particularly fast slide show. 

But I don't even recall seeing much gamer rage over it, beyond people just calling it an unplayable buggy mess... 

[adneate]

JBPBRC wrote...
This guy pretty much nails it:

It's a long watch but a good retrospective for anyone who wasn't around when the games first came out, it doesn't give the context of sitting in your parent's basement as a kid playing Ultima on a 286 and being totally enthralled by the sheer concept of the games. To put in all the time just to get Ultima 8 and 9 at the end . . .

Ultima literally defined RPGs as they exist now and the series took one of the most dramatic and cataclysmic falls from grace in history.

[satunnainen]

fealhach wrote...

He also wouldn't know that he needs to eat or sleep to keep his strength up, who The Illusive Man is, what Cerberus is, have no idea about any form of AIs, including EDI and the Geth, be wildly scizophrenic and comdemn a certain type of behavior one minute, then turn around not two minutes later and say, well why didn't you do this one thing that I just comdemned that other guy for?

We'd also be given the option to randomly feed the Council, Wrex, the Turian Primarch, the Dalatrass and Aria a loaf of bread laced with rat poison. And they would eat it without question.

You actually make me want to play it now. Oh, wait. You said EA did this?

**** that.

Seven years after playing it, I find myself angrier over KOTOR2 than ME3's ending. I wanted to burn Kreia at the stake 30 seconds into meeting her, but the option never came up. Everybody's evil? Really? **** that too.

Yep, I really hate the plots where the hero acts like an idiot and doesnt see the most obvious villain (sith in this case) in front of her. And in kotor 2 that lasted about the whole game. On the other hand, I dont particularly hate kotor2 because of that.

[SpamBot2000]

adneate wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...
This guy pretty much nails it:

It's a long watch but a good retrospective for anyone who wasn't around when the games first came out, it doesn't give the context of sitting in your parent's basement as a kid playing Ultima on a 286 and being totally enthralled by the sheer concept of the games. To put in all the time just to get Ultima 8 and 9 at the end . . .

Ultima literally defined RPGs as they exist now and the series took one of the most dramatic and cataclysmic falls from grace in history.

Yes... but then again, Ultima 1 and 2 are hardly classics beyond their foundational nature in the genre. There are space rockets in them.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 11 août 2012 - 04:07 .

[Kel Riever]

I wouldn't say the worst ever. I would say as bad as any other, and certainly the biggest disappointment.