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[Tonya777]

I want to do an Archer playthrough and I'm wondering how to idealistically build them to live up to their potential , I have never actually had Lelianna go over 9% party damage on any save as far as I can recall , but of course shes a CPU controlled moron like all the others

So I assume that with me playing the archer I should be able to do around , at least 16% of the partys dmg IF I build them right and not horribly wrong (Also if ranger pets add towards individuals total)

So anyway , what should I do as far as stats are concerned? Any advice?

[dkjestrup]

It's not really too hard. Skills wise, get Lethality, Master Stealth, Arrow of Slaying, Master Archer and Scattershot, along with however many levels of lockpicking you wish (on a cunning build, you can open all locks with just deft hands, BUT you'll miss a lot of chests when your cunning isn't quite there yet.



Stats wise, get enough strength for top light armor (22). You will be able to get +2 from the Helm of Honnleath, Harvest Festival Ring and Key to the City, so you only need 16 strength. You get +4 strength in the fade too, and there are other +strength items like Andruili's blessing, so you don't have to put any points into strength.



Dex wise, get 30 dex so you can get all of the archer talents.



Put all the rest of your points into Cunning.



Specialization wise, you'll miss a lot. You'll want Bard for Song of Courage (always have it activated). Then it's your choice. Duelist is good for the +attack, but Ranger is another option, I'm sure if you added your pet's DPS with yours it would be at least as good as with Duelist. Assassin is pretty useless, the only talent that would help is Mark of Death, but that's short range.



As far as bows go, use longbows. Falon Din's Reach is the best pre-landsmeet bow in the game (except Marjoline's Recurve, but that is Leliana only) and Far Song the best bow after the Landsmeet.

[Tonya777]

Actually you can get Far song before landsmeet (You just have to kill the original blacksmith)



I was thinking Ranger/Duelist because



Ranger : I like to roleplay my characters and Rangers are the archers in most games



Duelist : I have never actually tried duelist , I know Bard is obviously the better choice but I think I should try duelist at least once and I figure this is the best possible character to try it on

[ELOE1985]

You don't have to kill Owen the Blacksmith, but when you run into his daughter in the castle, don't talk to her. And yes, Far Song does appear before you call the Landsmeet (I believe it's based on how many of the allies you got to fight the Blight with).



Duelist is okay for Archery Rogues, but you will only basically be using Dueling and Pinpoint Strike. Since archery is kinda slow even with Rapid Aim ability on bows, I never really felt it was a good combination (unlike Momentum + Pinpoint Strike). It's okay if you're only using it for Dueling and the slight bonus for the specialization. Bard is a considerably stronger specialization as it gives more benefits, but it's totally up to you.



And no Light Armor requires more than 20 strength, so invest about 16, then +4 from the objects in the Fade will give you the rest.

[Altharas]

I'd say that from all the problems archery suffers from, the lack of hit is the biggest. Duelist really helps with +4 (roughly) from picking the specialisation and +10 from the duelist talent, especially early on in the game. Also, there isn't much in the ways of raising your crit chance as an archer (mine is level 14 and only has 10% with the bard's song) so the pinpoint strike feat doesn't seem like a terrible choice, though i have yet to try it.

[Tonya777]

I'm thinking since theres no levels required for archer skills I'm going to go straight for DEX DEX DEX DEX DEX!!!!!! Untill I have Arrow of slaying at like.... lvl 5 lol



Then I can start doing the CUN boosting too

[Forumtroll]

36 DEX to equip Far Song rest in CUN.

[Morvayn]

I am not sure how it works on xbox but if the bow damage is split between str and dex (and cun/dex with lethality) pumping dex instead of cunning will make you a more efficient archer since your damage will almost be the same (only a little less armor pen) and your attack will be a lot higher. And in that game archers need a good attack rating!

And since you are planning to be ranger/duelist, boosting cunning will be less useful.You can even skip lethality and use those points somewhere else as I've read the 10% crit bonus only applied on melee and the prerequisites talents are next to useless for an archer. 

[PatT2]

You either have to kill Owen, or you have to just not get his daughter rescued? Why the 2nd choice? Is there no other way to get this bow?

[Tonya777]

Well I definantley have to do 30 something DEX so I can equip far song and learn all archery abilities , CUN will have to go to at least like.... 30 or 40 to open any/all locks



I think I'll probably get both to their minimums and then just pump whichever seems more appropriate , if I miss enough to be annoyed by it then I will do more DEX , if my dmg sucks but is accurate then CUN

[Atmosfear3]

Is it wise to leave Aim on at all times or is it better to just use none of the sustained archer skills?

[Tonya777]

Thats a good question , I hear Rapid Aim equipment doesn't stack with the sustained rapid shot ability



So then the question stands : Does Rapid aim equipment stack with "Aim" sustained therefore giving you higher dmg at a leveled out regular speed?



Does haste do anything to ranged attack speed?

[KylonOrina]

From what I've read in previous threads, Rapid Shot and Aim are both not worth using.

[Tonya777]

But does Aim stack with Rapid fire equipment?



Because Aim & Rapid Shot as sustaineds don't stack

[KylonOrina]

Tonya777 wrote...

But does Aim stack with Rapid fire equipment?

Because Aim & Rapid Shot as sustaineds don't stack

I don't know the answer to that, but here is a pretty large thread on Archery you can skim through.

http://social.biowar...66/index/328627

[Tonya777]

Well all thats saying is he reccomends you do 35 DEX and then 100% CUN after that



Thats what I will probably be doing but only if I don't start having ridiculously low accuracy , if my accuracy sucks I will add DEX

[arrrasdgaehjskmszkm]

Well if you are playing without dexfix, my advice is.. dont use archery XDD

No, really, aim slows fire rate, and it stacks with "rapid fire" equipment, but in the end, it slows less your fire-rate, nothing more. It is best used it on high-armored or bosses, not at all times (and i dont really use it much with high cun, but it adds damage, sure, but i rather use bardsongs than this).

Maybe you can read more extensively the post

http://social.biowar...66/index/328627

it says much more than you said.

[Tonya777]

Well you have to understand I've done 8 full playthroughs and a 9th one thats at lvl 20 , I'm running out of ideas so its come down to archer lol

[Tonya777]

I think I'm going to do Duelist as my 1st spec and get the ranger later? At these low levels my stamina total is so low I can't even have aim or rapid fire on and still even use arrow of slaying , so I think having a pet out would make AoS impossible and too much of a hassle

Edit : Well actually same goes for "Dueling" so... I guess I will do Ranger THEN Duelist since Duelists real point is a lvl 16 minimum ability anyway

Modifié par Tonya777, 23 décembre 2009 - 03:04 .

[RobotXYZ]

Only read if you have Warden DLC....

Before adding to willpower to raise mana, consider raising strength to 30 (with gear: harvest ring, belt +2 attributes, helm honnleath.  With that setup you get +50 to stamina from the boots and mana regeneration from the armor.  A reason NOT to use cunning/lethality (which since the crit don't work on bows, I wouldn't),  It costs about 8 stat points in strength (24 instead of 16), but you get the stamina value of 10 willpower plus better armor and strength does damage on longbows (if no lethality)..

Modifié par RobotXYZ, 23 décembre 2009 - 05:39 .

[Tonya777]

Are you suggesting I wear Warden commanders armor? You know massive armor causes an attack speed penalty to archers right? Also it causes a massive fatigue % rating so then summoning the pets would really cost like 70 , arrow of slaying would be like 110 , it really defeats the whole purpose and the point you're making

Lethality is so that I can kill 2 birds w/ one stone , get the boost for lockpicking and coercion while at the same time boosting my dmg

Modifié par Tonya777, 23 décembre 2009 - 02:04 .

[RobotXYZ]

Just the boots... I didn't realize it causes attack speed penalty.. sorry

[Tonya777]

Well this is interesting



At lvl 10 my Ranger now has 100% of the Archery talents + Dirty fighting & lvl 2 lockpicking



Still have to get Lethality (3) , Stealth (4) , and specialization talents (8)

[Kiegle]

I have a 21 Rogue Archer on the 360, and it's incredibly buggy. I have stopped playing him because half the time, he'll notch an arrow and pull it back, but never fire, and be left there standing stupidly while he gets beat on. Aside from that, my Archer is almost full Dex, and he does 701 with Arrow of Slaying.

[Tonya777]

So is it true that even though DEX is broken it still adds 0.3 ranged DMG per point?



I had always assumed "broken" meant DEX added 0.0 dmg per point?



If its 0.3dmg per point then I may just get CUN high enough to pick all locks and then do all DEX