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[zambot]

1. Using the word "rape" to describe synthesis is despicable and you should feel bad.
2. How synthesis comes about is so ridiculously silly and space magicy that you really cannot apply real logic or experience to it. It's super duper space magic, and if you want to head canon it being bad, you can. You can also head canon it being good. The great thing about illogical magic is that it can be anything you want it to be, and no one can prove you wrong.

[Ryzaki]

...You can rape land. It doesn't just mean sex people. It's simply a severe violation. Lots of words have more than one definition in the english language. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 août 2012 - 07:56 .

[clennon8]

Rape is a really, really bad thing. Like, one of the worst things.

And it isn't a strong enough word for Synthesis, imo.

[AxStapleton]

Its definitely not the ending I would choose but as long as you got what you wanted, then that's all that matters.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Synthesis is only remotely good if you look at it from a meta-perspective, completely detached from the in-game universe. As it stands, it simply fails to strike me as a seamless resolution to the ongoing story and lore.

[Giggles_Manically]

AH yes "Synthesis" the nonsensical green ending, where you bend over and take it, then make the galaxy bend over and take it. Ah we have dismissed that ending.

But no its ****.

[Mr.House]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

why synthesis is bad:

*snip*

And what if one of your loved ones was turned into a husk?

Don't give me the "put them out of their misery" crap.

People live with horrifying things happening to their bodies in real life (and their families don't just "put them out of their misery" for it either). There's a man who's face is a giant tumor (don't google that, you'll regret it).

Are you comparing a person with a giant tumor to monsters created with the purpose to kill and are created by implailing them on spikes and twisting their dna? Please tell me this is a sick joke.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 août 2012 - 08:15 .

[Xellith]

kicsimalac wrote...

It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

What makes you think you would be immune to diseases?  The diseases themselves have been synergised also to be more improved. 

[Xamufam]

It didn't fit the me trilogy
the series has always been about strength through diversity

Modifié par Troxa, 11 août 2012 - 08:20 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr.House wrote...

Are you comparing a person with a giant tumor to monsters created with the purpose to kill and are created by implailing them on psikes and twisting their dna? Please tell me this is a sick joke.

Yes, I did compare them. Both are horrific and unfortunate, but neither one is the fault of the victim.

A whole page and a half of this thread went by after I made that comment. There's really nothing controversial about my claim as you're trying to make it out to be. If there were, I would have heard about it a long time ago (like that time I said something regarding suicide).

So tell me now, what would you do if a loved one were turned into a husk?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Xellith wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...

It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

What makes you think you would be immune to diseases?  The diseases themselves have been synergised also to be more improved. 

I believe it's implied that Synthesis immortalizes organics, which would suggest immunity to disease. Or something along those lines...

Either way, it's all a load of cobblers and I simply refuse to take it seriously.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 11 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[SentinelShepParagon]

Synthesis isn't super horrible. I almost picked it. The only reason why I didn't is because the Reapers are left alive and unchecked. If they come up with another reason to start killing again, then the galaxy is screwed. But that is just hypothetical, so the decision lies in whether or not you wan't to sacrifice synthetics on a hypothetical danger. For me, the danger was just too great to allow to remain. I had to destroy. However, I can definitely sympathize with a synthesizer.

Modifié par SentinelShepParagon, 11 août 2012 - 08:23 .

[Endorlf]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Are you comparing a person with a giant tumor to monsters created with the purpose to kill and are created by implailing them on psikes and twisting their dna? Please tell me this is a sick joke.

Yes, I did compare them. Both are horrific and unfortunate, but neither one is the fault of the victim.

A whole page and a half of this thread went by after I made that comment. There's really nothing controversial about my claim as you're trying to make it out to be. If there were, I would have heard about it a long time ago (like that time I said something regarding suicide).

So tell me now, what would you do if a loved one were turned into a husk?

I'm sorry, but a husk and a patient with a tumor cannot be compared. The husk has lost all semblance of its former self, and that former personality is not something that can be restored. It is no longer a sapient entity, and sapience can't be put back into an mindless corpse that is frankly closer to an inanimate object than a geth. And I don't think you can do a Project Lazarus on a husk, as those Reaper implants in a husk likely damaged the brain beyond repair.  

If your loved one is turned into a husk, then your loved one is gone for good. That husk is nothing more than a remote-controlled Reaper drone. The husk will not have any traits of the person that it once was.

After reading some other threads, I really starting to believe that Synthesis husks are simply projections of a nearby Reaper's mind, and didn't get sentience at all. They are only extensions of the Reaper that's controlling them. Husks weren't in any Synthesis slideshows or cutscenes after the initial scene with the soldier and the husk.

Modifié par Endorlf, 11 août 2012 - 08:38 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Synthesis is nice enough, but I agree that people should be free to choose it for themselves. I went with Control as the less controversial option. Now there's a race of immortal sentient starships that combine all the implacability of the Reapers with Shepard's sheer guts and technically they still have Spectre status.

That said, Synthesis was my second choice.

[Zjarcal]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
So tell me now, what would you do if a loved one were turned into a husk?

If they're a husk they're already dead, so I would kill that monstrosity that IS NOT my loved one anymore.

[vacantiii]

I enjoyed Synthesis. You give the galaxy heaven, peace, serenity, understanding, and the ability to surpass mortal bonds. Sounds good to me. The Milky Way could very well be the most badass galaxy in all of the Cosmos after this feat.

[Mr.House]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Are you comparing a person with a giant tumor to monsters created with the purpose to kill and are created by implailing them on psikes and twisting their dna? Please tell me this is a sick joke.

Yes, I did compare them. Both are horrific and unfortunate, but neither one is the fault of the victim.

A whole page and a half of this thread went by after I made that comment. There's really nothing controversial about my claim as you're trying to make it out to be. If there were, I would have heard about it a long time ago (like that time I said something regarding suicide).

So tell me now, what would you do if a loved one were turned into a husk?

A husk is no longer my love one, it is now a monster with the intention to do nothing but kill on the Reapers whim. The person I loved died when they where implaied and they where turned into an abomination.

[Endorlf]

Mr.House wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Are you comparing a person with a giant tumor to monsters created with the purpose to kill and are created by implailing them on psikes and twisting their dna? Please tell me this is a sick joke.

Yes, I did compare them. Both are horrific and unfortunate, but neither one is the fault of the victim.

A whole page and a half of this thread went by after I made that comment. There's really nothing controversial about my claim as you're trying to make it out to be. If there were, I would have heard about it a long time ago (like that time I said something regarding suicide).

So tell me now, what would you do if a loved one were turned into a husk?

A husk is no longer my love one, it is now a monster with the intention to do nothing but kill on the Reapers whim. The person I loved died when they where implaied and they where turned into an abomination.

Precisely. If your loved one is turned into a husk, then your loved one is gone for good. That husk is nothing more than a remote-controlled Reaper drone. The husk will not have any traits of the person that it once was. It's only a mindless corpse that is frankly closer to an inanimate object than a geth. I don't think you can do a Project Lazarus on a husk, as those Reaper implants in a husk likely damaged the brain beyond repair.   

Modifié par Endorlf, 11 août 2012 - 08:31 .

[BatmanPWNS]

You poor fool.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr.House wrote...

A husk is no longer my love one, it is now a monster with the intention to do nothing but kill on the Reapers whim.

This isn't about regular, Reaper-controlled husks that are trying to kill you. It's about husks in synthesis that are not, and may have had their personalities restored for all we know.

[Endorlf]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

A husk is no longer my love one, it is now a monster with the intention to do nothing but kill on the Reapers whim.

This isn't about regular, Reaper-controlled husks that are trying to kill you. It's about husks in synthesis that are not, and may have had their personalities restored for all we know.

It may or may not. Frankly, we can't tell. For all we know, those husks in Synthesis may still be under the control of a Reaper. However, I still believe that the personalities can't be restored. Under the husk transformation, the victim's brain is probably severely distorted and damaged beyond repair. Since organic personalities are tied to the physical brain, you simply can't restore personality into a brain that has been so severely damaged by the husk transformation.

Modifié par Endorlf, 11 août 2012 - 08:35 .

[Taboo]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

A husk is no longer my love one, it is now a monster with the intention to do nothing but kill on the Reapers whim.

This isn't about regular, Reaper-controlled husks that are trying to kill you. It's about husks in synthesis that are not, and may have had their personalities restored for all we know.

And if that happens what do they do now? 

Live as an abomination for the rest of their lives? They all look the same.

I think it's entirely unfair to force that on a being.

The Doctor preferred to kill th Cyberman rather than let them become aware of what they were.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 août 2012 - 08:34 .

[AlexMBrennan]

If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Yeah, that's the problem right there. Some of us don't have your epic suspension of disbelief.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Endorlf wrote...

I'm sorry, but a husk and a patient with a tumor cannot be compared. The husk has lost all semblance of its former self, and that former personality is not something that can be restored. It is no longer a sapient entity, and sapient can't be put back into an mindless corpse that is frankly closer to an inanimate object than a geth.

Pre-synthesis, you would be right. It's the implications afterward that we're talking about here.

If your loved one is turned into a husk, then your loved one is gone for good. That husk is nothing more than a remote-controlled Reaper drone. The husk will not have any traits of the person that it once was.

After reading some other threads, I really starting to believe that Synthesis husks are simply projections of a nearby Reaper's mind, and didn't get sentience at all.

If that's true, then killing husks would still be kind of wrong. Senseless aggression (or douchekilling, as I call it).

[Taboo]

Not everyone picks Destroy as a douche killing move. It's never been about something as petty as "Us vs Them" to me.

All life is at stake, Synthetic and Organic, as is there right to grow and be free from over arching decisions.