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[AxStapleton]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

A husk is no longer my love one, it is now a monster with the intention to do nothing but kill on the Reapers whim.

This isn't about regular, Reaper-controlled husks that are trying to kill you. It's about husks in synthesis that are not, and may have had their personalities restored for all we know.

Wouldn't that be cruel to restore the personalities to the husks? Especially the Brutes, Cannibals and Banshees.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...

And if that happens what do they do now? 

Live as an abomination for the rest of their lives? They all look the same.

I think it's entirely unfair to force that on a being.

The Doctor preferred to kill th Cyberman rather than let them become aware of what they were.

That's sort of what made me think about the earlier example. I'll scrap the idea of the giant face-tumor since it's sensitive to some.

Many people live with deformities and their bodies being mutilated. It's unfortunate, but it's part of life...

And if it were a loved one, it doesn't really matter to us (at least, I can speak for myself) what they look like, one still loves them for who they are. It'll definitely be very tragic to have something like that happen to someone close to us.

But there's a reason we don't just kill those people under the idea that "this is probably just mercy for them."

[kicsimalac]

Xellith wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...

It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

What makes you think you would be immune to diseases?  The diseases themselves have been synergised also to be more improved. 

Well EDI said that if you didn't cure the genophage, synthesis cured it. I did not do it myself, but i have seen it on a youtube ending.

[JeffZero]

EDI's monologue doesn't change as far as I'm aware. I guess I could be mistaken of course. I'd just be surprised.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Not everyone picks Destroy as a douche killing move. It's never been about something as petty as "Us vs Them" to me.

All life is at stake, Synthetic and Organic, as is there right to grow and be free from over arching decisions.

I meant if this were post-synthesis aggression.

[AxStapleton]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

And if that happens what do they do now? 

Live as an abomination for the rest of their lives? They all look the same.

I think it's entirely unfair to force that on a being.

The Doctor preferred to kill th Cyberman rather than let them become aware of what they were.

That's sort of what made me think about the earlier example. I'll scrap the idea of the giant face-tumor since it's sensitive to some.

Many people live with deformities and their bodies being mutilated. It's unfortunate, but it's part of life...

And if it were a loved one, it doesn't really matter to us (at least, I can speak for myself) what they look like, one still loves them for who they are. It'll definitely be very tragic to have something like that happen to someone close to us.

But there's a reason we don't just kill those people under the idea that "this is probably just mercy for them."

Brutes are two Krogan combined with a Turian head. Cannibals are Batarians with Humans grafted onto their backs and shoulders. If each of those people suddenly became sentient again they'll realise that they have become truly horrifying monsters.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 11 août 2012 - 08:49 .

[Meltemph]

I like transhumanlike theroies, stories and the whole idea of technology and humans merging... However, teh way ME3 does this, with synthesis, imo, is insulting to the idea. It cheapens the growth that is needed to happen to achieve such a feat, it reducses the the best part of the theory(the process) and keeps the idea so shallow in its thoughts that you have to headcannan any sembalence of the idea to make it not suck.

Added to the fact that transhumansim is VERY weakly touched upon(Miranda and Shep are about the only ones) and even when it is touched upon it remains incredibly shallow. I, personally, am completely baffled at the people who like the idea's behind transhumansim, that activly support this crap.

The only thing I can think of, with anyone who enjoys real stories about this type of stuff, the reason they are ok with it, is because they are desperate to see it in anyhting that offers it.  Which to me is sad, because you are excusing away how incredibly devoid of intellectual thought(one of teh biggest draws to the idea of transhumanism) that synthesis imparts, with the way it is presented.

The problem with synthesis, isnt the idea, it is how devoid of thought it is. It is the incredibly easy, unimaginitve possible way you can touch on the subject, and they do it so inredibly cheaply and apply it to an ending that effects the entire galaxy. IMO, anyone who claims to like the subject should be offened at how mind numbingly simple and "child like" they presented the idea.

Modifié par Meltemph, 11 août 2012 - 08:55 .

[Endorlf]

JeffZero wrote...

EDI's monologue doesn't change as far as I'm aware. I guess I could be mistaken of course. I'd just be surprised.

There are differences.

Genophage cure prevented:
"Unlimited access to knowledge can help even the most shattered cultures and while it will take some longer than others to see the benefits, even they will eventually live free from poverty and disease reclaiming their worlds, and the stars" 

Genophage cured:
"With peace across the galaxy and with unlimited access to knowledge to recover the greatness that was lost and surpass it, we will reclaim our worlds and the stars."  

[Ryzaki]

clennon8 wrote...

Rape is a really, really bad thing. Like, one of the worst things.

And it isn't a strong enough word for Synthesis, imo.

Oh I agree. It's just I'm sick of people acting like rape can only be used in regards to sex. It's not.

[kicsimalac]

Endorlf wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

EDI's monologue doesn't change as far as I'm aware. I guess I could be mistaken of course. I'd just be surprised.

There are differences.

Genophage cure prevented:
"Unlimited access to knowledge can help even the most shattered cultures and while it will take some longer than others to see the benefits, even they will eventually live free from poverty and disease reclaiming their worlds, and the stars" 

Genophage cured:
"With peace across the galaxy and with unlimited access to knowledge to recover the greatness that was lost and surpass it, we will reclaim our worlds and the stars."  

Thanks for the search. I actually didn't except that there will be an intelligent conservation about the synthesis when I wrote the topic, but I'm happy there is one. Yey, I love how everyone is happy. I see everything is working fine, and there are no problems. So unless the character's don't bother the synthesis ending, why should I? Should I refuse and let them all die? Or betray friend and an entire race by stabbing them in the back and destroy them? I am a abd person for being happy about seeing them alive and happy?

[Cashless-Nick]

Destroy: You kill the Reapers, EDI and the Geth.
Control: Shepard becomes a god and everything stays the same.
Synthesis: All races coexist peacefuly and have unlimited acces to knowledge.
So yeah, Synthesis is the best ending (in my opinion)

[ATiBotka]

Cashless-Nick wrote...

Destroy: You kill the Reapers, EDI and the Geth.
Control: Shepard becomes a god and everything stays the same.
Synthesis: All races coexist peacefuly and have unlimited acces to knowledge.
So yeah, Synthesis is the best ending (in my opinion)

I agree.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

AxStapleton wrote...


Brutes are two Krogan combined with a Turian head. Cannibals are Batarians with Humans grafted onto their backs and shoulders. If each of those people suddenly became sentient again they'll realise that they have become truly horrifying monsters.

If it's too shameful to live with, then commit suicide. Can't do it yourself? Have someone do it for you (assisted suicide).

If you really choose Destroy as a mercy, you're pretty much doing the latter anyway.

[TheWerdna]

John Shepard (original, right?): I am sorry, but I cannot hear you. I am too busy enjoying the pool I built behind my house on Rannoch

Modifié par TheWerdna, 11 août 2012 - 09:15 .

[Endorlf]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...


Brutes are two Krogan combined with a Turian head. Cannibals are Batarians with Humans grafted onto their backs and shoulders. If each of those people suddenly became sentient again they'll realise that they have become truly horrifying monsters.

If it's too shameful to live with, then commit suicide. Can't do it yourself? Have someone do it for you (assisted suicide).

If you really choose Destroy as a mercy, you're pretty much doing the latter anyway.

You're currently running by the headcanon that husks regain sapience and former personalities in Synthesis. There isn't anything in the cutscenes that confirms or debunks this. Again, given the severe damage to the brain and body through nanide implants and grafting, I personally find that the restoration of personality into husks in Synthesis is far too unbelievable, even by Synthesis standards. I still stand by my belief that the husks are still only projections of a Reaper's mind. Indeed, the first thing that the husk does after getting hit by the Synthesis wave is looking up at the Reapers.

Modifié par Endorlf, 11 août 2012 - 09:18 .

[kicsimalac]

Actually, the personality is lost forever. Just go to the game and shoot the head of a Husk or a Cannibal. If you shot the upper part, the skull will crack, and their bare barian (or what's left of it) will be there. The higher mental functions don't work anymore (since they don't bother loosing the top off their head) but headshots still kill them, so basically they still use their brain. Anyway I believe that reapers control them

Modifié par kicsimalac, 11 août 2012 - 09:20 .

[Taboo]

Cashless-Nick wrote...

Destroy: You kill the Reapers, EDI and the Geth.
Control: Shepard becomes a god and everything stays the same.
Synthesis: All races coexist peacefuly and have unlimited acces to knowledge.
So yeah, Synthesis is the best ending (in my opinion)

They do not all coexist peacefully.

All Synthesis really does is solve the Organic v Synthetic issue. Everything else comes later.

Do your damn research. Wrev can still go to war in the Synthesis ending.

I think it'd be real ****ing funny to have Synthesized Krogan terrorizing your galaxy.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 août 2012 - 09:20 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Yeah whatever.............enjoy drinking hydraulic fluid.

Oh and driving that preeeeus.

[kicsimalac]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Cashless-Nick wrote...

Destroy: You kill the Reapers, EDI and the Geth.
Control: Shepard becomes a god and everything stays the same.
Synthesis: All races coexist peacefuly and have unlimited acces to knowledge.
So yeah, Synthesis is the best ending (in my opinion)

They do not all coexist peacefully.

All Synthesis really does is solve the Organic v Synthetic issue. Everything else comes later.

Do your damn research. Wrev can still go to war in the Synthesis ending.

I think it'd be real ****ing funny to have Synthesized Krogan terrorizing your galaxy.

Can you link it, please? I believe you, just I hasn't seen this variation yet

[Taboo]

kicsimalac wrote...

Can you link it, please? I believe you, just I hasn't seen this variation yet

I believe if you simply google for EC Slides you can find a website.

All you've really done in Synthesis is given people the ability to adapt and become stronger. If one person advances more than other, they'll wipe them out.

All you've done is prevent a tech singularity from Synthetics.

The Krogans still hate the Salrians and the Batarians (what's left of them) still hate everyone.

You may not live to see any progress.

[kicsimalac]

Taboo-XX wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...

Can you link it, please? I believe you, just I hasn't seen this variation yet

I believe if you simply google for EC Slides you can find a website.

All you've really done in Synthesis is given people the ability to adapt and become stronger. If one person advances more than other, they'll wipe them out.

All you've done is prevent a tech singularity from Synthetics.

The Krogans still hate the Salrians and the Batarians (what's left of them) still hate everyone.

You may not live to see any progress.

Wrey didn't got to war. He built an *arse-kicking Tuchanka

Modifié par kicsimalac, 11 août 2012 - 09:28 .

[OMTING52601]

Me too, OP. Nothin' wrong with liking it

[RadicalDisconnect]

Taboo-XX wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...

Can you link it, please? I believe you, just I hasn't seen this variation yet

I believe if you simply google for EC Slides you can find a website.

All you've really done in Synthesis is given people the ability to adapt and become stronger. If one person advances more than other, they'll wipe them out.

All you've done is prevent a tech singularity from Synthetics.

The Krogans still hate the Salrians and the Batarians (what's left of them) still hate everyone.

You may not live to see any progress.

No, Wreav doesn't go to war in Synthesis. I'm not sure what happens though. The EC slides can be seen here. Not sure if it has all of them though.

http://www.holdtheli...too.2073/page-5 

Apparently, Wreav does...nothing. Maybe free-willed Reapers threatened to crush Wreav if he tries to pull another uprising? Or you can go with the full-of-contrivances Synthesis indoctrination interpretation...

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 11 août 2012 - 09:31 .

[Taboo]

There's even a slide in Synthesis with Wreav and Eve in a standoff.

Synthesis has done nothing to address other issues. It's a joke to think that it's all a good thing.

[kicsimalac]

Taboo-XX wrote...

There's even a slide in Synthesis with Wreav and Eve in a standoff.

Synthesis has done nothing to address other issues. It's a joke to think that it's all a good thing.

Wrex does nothing but peace. But I see you point 

Modifié par kicsimalac, 11 août 2012 - 09:32 .