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[mass perfection]

I'd rather reach Synthesis on my own terms.For all we know,the Starbrat is controlling us through the implants and the Reapers have achieved it so another "Leviathan" won't happen again.

[Versus Omnibus]

I hate synthesis for forcing the choice on the entire galaxy without their say. But I refused to commit genocide, create a new catalyst, or let trillions die to keep my pride.

Synthesis saves life, and that is why I chose it.

[Krunjar]

I half feel sorry for the OP and half suspect he is a troll. Not because I hate synthesis but because . Well 6 pages of replies most of it spam and vitriol .. all over an opinion. Please guys just you know open your door .. go down the pub meet some friends, maybe a nice lady. I am afraid she is unlikely to be blue but hey it's an imperfect world. You really really really have a lot better things to do than lurk on BSN just to flame people who disagree with you.

[kicsimalac]

If you have actually read the 6 pages, you would see that there is no flame or spam, just intelligent discussion.

[Eterna]

spirosz wrote...

Destroy and Control bring peace too, haha.

Destroy doesn't, it's even stated that the chaos would begin again.

[Taboo]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Destroy and Control bring peace too, haha.

Destroy doesn't, it's even stated that the chaos would begin again.

Use logic, not fallacies. Do not appeal to probability.

You have no idea what's going to happen.

[AxStapleton]

Eterna5 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Destroy and Control bring peace too, haha.

Destroy doesn't, it's even stated that the chaos would begin again.

By guess who.

Anyway, every slideshow after the high EMS endings paints a positive picture. It doesn't show the possible bad sides to any of the endings. And EVERY ending has a possible bad side.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 12 août 2012 - 08:55 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Synthesis, like the other two choices, has its positives and negatives. There is no "best" or "worst" choice. All that matters is what you think is the best or the worst. If you think your choice is justified then that's all.

Modifié par pirate1802, 12 août 2012 - 09:30 .

[Jetblackmoon]

I beat the game last night and went for Synthesis. My playthrough was a Paragon Shepard, and the other options didn't really seem to fit. Controlling the Reapers seems like it would basically contradict everything Shepard had fought for in Mass Effect 3. Opposing the Illusive Man the entire game simply to do what he wants in the end seems silly. May as well have continued working with Cerberus in Mass Effect 3 if I wanted to do that.

Destroy also seemed like a ridiculous option - what was the point of making peace between the Quarians and the Geth if I was just going to kill all Synthetics in the end anyway? How could a Paragon Shepard ever live with himself (literally, since Destroy has the scene with Shepard taking a breath), knowing that he willingly killed people (machines, Synthetics, whatever you want to call them) that he considered friends?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Synthesis is the perfect option for a Paragon Shepard. All that work to kill the Reapers... only to live with them in peace when everything is over? Even with advanced DNA, could everyone really forgive and accept the help of the Reapers, just like that?
Maybe I'm not looking deep enough into this, but it seemed like the only appropriate choice for me. :happy: I still would have liked an ending where you could have won the war and maybe built a new life with your LI, but you can't have everything.

Modifié par Jetblackmoon, 12 août 2012 - 09:26 .

[MeatPopsicle]

 If I ever see shimmering green circuit patterns on my skin and have glowing green eyes, I will pound you, but then that'd be too late because you were wiped out of existence as a result.

[o Ventus]

kicsimalac wrote...

It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases,

You don't know this.

having unlimited acces to knowledge.

Unlimited information? Information about what? From the Reapers? They were constructed from the various harvested species and contain the information from those species. If the Reapers hit every ~50,000 years, what makes you think they're going to be much more advanced than we are? The Protheans may have been a bit better than our cycle, but not by much. Not much at all.

Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka.

Not that it matters anymore now that the Shroud is destroyed. Unless of course the krogan can survive the radiation.

If it really brings peace.

What makes you so sure? The organic/synthetic hybrids are still going to have organic impulses and basic biological needs. To meet these needs, they're going to develop synthetics as tools. Unless people are brainwashed into having identical values and mindsets, you can almost guarantee that someone among the quadrillions of people will be a little bit crazy and bid for power. Never mind that anybody who follows a religion/philosophy/doctrine that dismisses synthetics will be violated to the utmost.

I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

[Eterna]

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The problem with synthesis is that it mutilates the races without their consent. I have no problem with individuals wanting to become cyborgs, but I oppose it when an involuntary synthesis infection violates the right of self-determination on a galactic scale. The creation of a superior race that way is elitism. There is no opt-in and because it is irreversible there is no opt-out, other than death. Also, Shepard is supposed to have the mission to defeat or destroy the reapers. Submission is not defeat, but an unconditional surrender to an enemy which Shepard is supposed to fight since ME1. All alliances that Shepard made were based on that and it would be a betrayal to sell them to the enemy.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 août 2012 - 09:58 .

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset. 

The problem with synthesis is that it mutilates the races without their consent.

It uplifts them to a new form of existence. Nobody in the EC slides is crying due to being mutilated.

Modifié par Eterna5, 12 août 2012 - 09:59 .

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset. 

What makes you think it will be an outlier?

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset. 

What makes you think it will be an outlier?

Because the Reapers are controlled by the Catalyst who's main objective is to remove the threat of synthetics wiping out organics. With Synthesis a mutual understanding is reached and the Catalyst no longer needs to use the reapers to harvest organic life. They have no reason to be hostile again, they are even shown helping and sharing knowledge at the end.

[EnvyTB075]

"I actually liked synthesis."

You're weird.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset. 

The problem with synthesis is that it mutilates the races without their consent.

It uplifts them to a new form of existence. Nobody in the EC slides is crying due to being mutilated.

Of course they are not crying. That's because Shepard's "essence of who [he/she] is and what [he/she] is" is mixed to the Crucibles's energy. That essence is not intended to grow five toes on quarians' feet and it isn't used to give the krogan Shepard's stunning looks. It is clearly Shepard's mental features (whatever they are) that are being used and thus the Disney-like utopian pipe dream is fueled by mind control enforced by that essence. Some call that positive, I call that negative.

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset. 

What makes you think it will be an outlier?

Because the Reapers are controlled by the Catalyst who's main objective is to remove the threat of synthetics wiping out organics. With Synthesis a mutual understanding is reached and the Catalyst no longer needs to use the reapers to harvest organic life. They have no reason to be hostile again, they are even shown helping and sharing knowledge at the end.

Even under the Catalyst's influence, the Reapers have displayed some signs of autonomy (ex: Indoctrination of the rachni). Never mind their use of 1st person pronouns when referring to themselves as individuals.

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset. 

What makes you think it will be an outlier?

Because the Reapers are controlled by the Catalyst who's main objective is to remove the threat of synthetics wiping out organics. With Synthesis a mutual understanding is reached and the Catalyst no longer needs to use the reapers to harvest organic life. They have no reason to be hostile again, they are even shown helping and sharing knowledge at the end.

Even under the Catalyst's influence, the Reapers have displayed some signs of autonomy (ex: Indoctrination of the rachni). Never mind their use of 1st person pronouns when referring to themselves as individuals.

I'm sure the Catalyst would allow a Rogue Reaper to destroy organic life after synthesis has been achieved. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Short answer: it won't. I don't see why or how people think Synthesis solves anything. Hybrids can still create synthetics, and the Reapers still exist and can become hostile.

Why would reapers become hostile?

Because unless they were all brainwashed into having the same mindset, it's a given that at least one of them will think differently than some others.

And that outlier will quickly be destroyed by the reapers who don't share that mindset.

What makes you think it will be an outlier?

Because the Reapers are controlled by the Catalyst who's main objective is to remove the threat of synthetics wiping out organics. With Synthesis a mutual understanding is reached and the Catalyst no longer needs to use the reapers to harvest organic life. They have no reason to be hostile again, they are even shown helping and sharing knowledge at the end.

Even under the Catalyst's influence, the Reapers have displayed some signs of autonomy (ex: Indoctrination of the rachni). Never mind their use of 1st person pronouns when referring to themselves as individuals.

I'm sure the Catalyst would allow a Rogue Reaper to destroy organic life after synthesis has been achieved.

That's why people like you are so scary. You even condone genocide.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

I get the feeling that Eterna5 made a typo there because that sentence makes no sense to me.

[fcedric]

I liked it also.. it's my only choice for now (3 party)

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

I get the feeling that Eterna5 made a typo there because that sentence makes no sense to me.

There are some perfectly valid theories out there which allow the brat to survive the ending. Not sure if he/she refered to that, but I assumed so.