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[Jadebaby]

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

[JeffZero]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

You know what's cool about Synthesis, though? You're still an individual.

[Jadebaby]

JeffZero wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

You know what's cool about Synthesis, though? You're still an individual.

"We are each a nation, indepedent, free of all weakness"

Sure, you share a body, but your mind is still individual.

[EnvyTB075]

JeffZero wrote...

You know what's cool about Synthesis, though? You're still an individual.

"We are each a nation"

So are they.

[o Ventus]

JeffZero wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

You know what's cool about Synthesis, though? You're still an individual.

...

The other endings allow that too.

And on the upside, the other endings actually resolve the conflicts at hand. Synthesis is a non-solution.

[JeffZero]

@Envy and Jade
Always took that as a nod to the fact that they're each a world's people, not that the minds of every one of those individuals is still in there to such an extent. But hell's bells, if you're both gonna quote that independent of one-another, I'll fold.

@Ventus
I was referring to Synthesis versus getting Reaperized in the negative light of the galaxy losing the war; if y'all are barking up the "Control is better" tree instead, then I apologize for not connecting the dots as I haven't slept in 48 hours thanks to my girlfriend being in the hospital.

Modifié par JeffZero, 12 août 2012 - 11:33 .

[Jadebaby]

o Ventus wrote...

The other endings allow that too.

And on the upside, the other endings actually resolve the conflicts at hand. Synthesis is a non-solution.

Agreed, like kids fighting over a toy, so the mum cuts the toy in half and gives them 1 side each.

[Jadebaby]

JeffZero wrote...

@Envy and Jade
Always took that as a nod to the fact that they're each a world's people, not that the minds of every one of those individuals is still in there to such an extent. But hell's bells, if you're both gonna quote that independent of one-another, I'll fold.

@Ventus
I was referring to Synthesis versus getting Reaperized in the negative light of the galaxy losing the war; if y'all are barking up the "Control is better" tree instead, then I apologize for not connecting the dots as I haven't slept in 48 hours thanks to my girlfriend being in the hospital.

I believe control is worse. And although you folded i'd still like to point out that it is confirmed in game by the Catalyst that they retain their individual minds, via "we save them by ascension". I forget his exact words but something like 'the bodies are gone, but their minds live on."


All things ME3 aside. I'm sorry to hear about your gf. Hope it's not too serious and everything works out.

[JeffZero]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

@Envy and Jade
Always took that as a nod to the fact that they're each a world's people, not that the minds of every one of those individuals is still in there to such an extent. But hell's bells, if you're both gonna quote that independent of one-another, I'll fold.

@Ventus
I was referring to Synthesis versus getting Reaperized in the negative light of the galaxy losing the war; if y'all are barking up the "Control is better" tree instead, then I apologize for not connecting the dots as I haven't slept in 48 hours thanks to my girlfriend being in the hospital.

I believe control is worse. And although you folded i'd still like to point out that it is confirmed in game by the Catalyst that they retain their individual minds, via "we save them by ascension". I forget his exact words but something like 'the bodies are gone, but their minds live on."


All things ME3 aside. I'm sorry to hear about your gf. Hope it's not too serious and everything works out.

Gosh darn Catalyst, messin' up my day. 

Anyway, thanks, she's fine now! Just a bug, albeit one that caused much strife.

[kicsimalac]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

The reaper form doesn't keep them alive, just keep them preserved. But still I do not fully understand how that makes synthesis a bad decision

[Jadebaby]

kicsimalac wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

The reaper form doesn't keep them alive, just keep them preserved. But still I do not fully understand how that makes synthesis a bad decision

So you wouldn't object to being ascended?

[EnvyTB075]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So you wouldn't object to being ascended?

Giant space squid with uber death-laz0r and powers to control minds i'd say that beats being a......errr, being....ummm....


I should go.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 12 août 2012 - 11:58 .

[kicsimalac]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...



It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Okay, so we have...

- Being immune to disease.
- Having unlimited access to knowledge
- Keeping everyone "alive"


You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

The reaper form doesn't keep them alive, just keep them preserved. But still I do not fully understand how that makes synthesis a bad decision

So you wouldn't object to being ascended?

Well, if i don't have to die, it wouldn't be so bad. I would get used to the green flashlight eyes and circuits on my skin. Yes, if we believe EDI, and there is really a new golden age, immunity to dieases, and easy life with lots of opportunities, I would  not hesitate to accept that. 

Modifié par kicsimalac, 12 août 2012 - 12:02 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

You know what else did all that?

Being ascended to Reaper form.

Guilt by association. Your arguement is dismissed.

[alienatedflea]

you guys say reaper like its a bad thing...reapers were only a tool for the catalyst...somehow that fact is ignored...we can only assume that if reapers broke free from the catalyst's control...then we would have thousands or millions Leviathans...as seen from the trailer...I dont get the feeling that "controlled" reapers and Leviathan are buddy buddies...just sayin'

[Kataphrut94]

You can't really compare synthesis to being converted to Reaper form. Maybe in principle, but synthesis has people pretty much exactly the same as they were before except the organics have glowing green eyes and the synthetics know the meaning of this thing you call love.

Conversely, being converted to a Reaper involves being put into a giant blender, pumped inside an equally giant robot along with billions of other people and giving yourself the mother of all god complexes.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 12 août 2012 - 12:19 .

[BerzerkGene]

kicsimalac wrote...<_<

It was not that bad in my opinion. Keeping everyone alive and being immune to diseases, having unlimited acces to knowledge. Just look at what the krogans have accomplished on the wastelands of Tuchanka. If it really brings peace. I know the DNA has nothing to do with opinions, wars and peace, but if it does the job?

Well, everyone except yourself. Also how do you know they're immune to diseases? No one ever said that. ALL life has been warped, including bacteria. Essentially viruses and the like are now super viruses.
The Krogan do that if you have Wrex alive, its not synthesis exclusive.
While the knowledge thing is great, it happens in control too apparently, but Shepard forces the reapers to give it up. In synthesis the Reapers inexplicably change their minds and help people, which they accept(which would never happen).


Personally i don't really like any of the endings(i'm not that hard to please, they just suck) but synthesis seems the worst, cause of the the forced homogenization of life, a universe-shattering decision without precedent made by a single being and you're making the billions who died in the war seem like their lives were wasted.
I don't trust a deus ex machina, especially when it doesn't consider the long term implications, like the fact theres no reason hybrid people would not make new VIs and eventually AIs.
Theres also a crappy explanation to how it works and why it didn't work before. 'Not ready' just isn't good enough. Brain chemistry, DNA, something.
Plus the sudden jump in reaper technology is just utter BS. From super powerful dreadnoughts able to brainwash people and convert them into shock troops with nano machines to a green space magic wave that rewrites the physical makeup of all life in the galaxy. I don't buy it.

Modifié par BerzerkGene, 12 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[BerzerkGene]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

@Envy and Jade
Always took that as a nod to the fact that they're each a world's people, not that the minds of every one of those individuals is still in there to such an extent. But hell's bells, if you're both gonna quote that independent of one-another, I'll fold.

@Ventus
I was referring to Synthesis versus getting Reaperized in the negative light of the galaxy losing the war; if y'all are barking up the "Control is better" tree instead, then I apologize for not connecting the dots as I haven't slept in 48 hours thanks to my girlfriend being in the hospital.

I believe control is worse. And although you folded i'd still like to point out that it is confirmed in game by the Catalyst that they retain their individual minds, via "we save them by ascension". I forget his exact words but something like 'the bodies are gone, but their minds live on."


All things ME3 aside. I'm sorry to hear about your gf. Hope it's not too serious and everything works out.

Problem is he says he controls them as well as being their collective intelligence. Plus i doubt they would all immediately agree that murdering everyone sufficently advanced enough is a good thing. Something happens in the process.

As for control being the best...i kind of agree. Only Shepard dies, you don;t have to go through all that nonsense in synthesis and the geth get to survive. Being an immortal AI...i could think of worse career choices for myself.

[Ieldra]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

@Envy and Jade
Always took that as a nod to the fact that they're each a world's people, not that the minds of every one of those individuals is still in there to such an extent. But hell's bells, if you're both gonna quote that independent of one-another, I'll fold.

@Ventus
I was referring to Synthesis versus getting Reaperized in the negative light of the galaxy losing the war; if y'all are barking up the "Control is better" tree instead, then I apologize for not connecting the dots as I haven't slept in 48 hours thanks to my girlfriend being in the hospital.

I believe control is worse. And although you folded i'd still like to point out that it is confirmed in game by the Catalyst that they retain their individual minds, via "we save them by ascension". I forget his exact words but something like 'the bodies are gone, but their minds live on."

"We helped them ascend, so that they could make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form".

and

"We harvest your bodies, your creations, your knowledge. We preserve it to be reborn in the form of a new Reaper.

This can be interpreted either way. The question whether individual minds survive within the Reapers is still open, though Legion's comments in ME2 appear to point that way.

[Ieldra]

Arcian wrote...

Endorlf wrote...

It puzzles me that some people will use the worst possible interpretation for Synthesis to demonize it. Opinionated buzzwords like brainwashing, rape, and indoctrination are being thrown around as if they're fact.

The reason why is because Synthesis was touted as the best ending over destroy. If it hadn't, people wouldn't have given a single f**k about Synthesis and we wouldn't have had a million identical threads about it.

I don't think so. Rather, I see that people find Synthesis morally objectionable, and that causes them to invent the worst possible outcome because people are conditioned to think that what feels morally bad must have bad consequences. In short, they're trying to bring the reality in line with their preconceptions, instead of the other way round.

All right, the feeling that people felt Synthesis was promoted as being the best ending didn't help. Nobody from the ME3 team ever said that, but I guess people feel the Catalyst is the mouthpiece of the writers.  

[Krunjar]

kicsimalac wrote...

If you have actually read the 6 pages, you would see that there is no flame or spam, just intelligent discussion.

You and I clearly have different definitions of intelligent discussion.

[kicsimalac]

Krunjar wrote...

kicsimalac wrote...

If you have actually read the 6 pages, you would see that there is no flame or spam, just intelligent discussion.

You and I clearly have different definitions of intelligent discussion.

Noone is calling anyone names, everybody writes their opinions in a  culturally acceptable manner. Most of the people give reasons. That is something I would call a discussion.

[Hrothdane]

Just wanted to stop by and say I'm happy for you and to apologize for any rude non-synthesis peoples bothering you in the pro-synthesis threads. Everything needs proper discussion and differing opinions, but that doesn't mean it needs to be mean-spirited and angry. I just think of you guys as the loyal opposition.

P.S. Since we are destroyers and those other guys are controllers, would you guys mind going by "synthesizers," or do you find the implications morally objectionable?

That was a joke.