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[reginamb]

So I saw the post made by Bioware on Facebook the other day and decided to make my own version (because I strongly disagree with the artist's version they posted) 

Let me know what you think?
She, like Antiva, is strongly inspired by Itallian dress and Spanish / Itallian woman.

Modifié par reginamb, 12 août 2012 - 12:29 .

[reginamb]

I disagree that she is a good concept example of what an Antivan woman would look like based on what we know about Antiva. The drawing was a fan's drawing like my own. I just don't think she is Antivan based on what you find out about Antiva from Zevran in the game.

[PinkDiamondstl]

That's so not good....

[Wrathion]

reginamb wrote...

I disagree that she is a good concept example of what an Antivan woman would look like based on what we know about Antiva. The drawing was a fan's drawing like my own. I just don't think she is Antivan based on what you find out about Antiva from Zevran in the game.

You don't think she's Antivan...because???

Anywho, nice art. I like the pantlessness...because I like Zevrans pantlessness...but...what's the garters for? 
It sorta reminds me of that early "Female Assassin" Assassins Creed fanart. Just the useless garter part, the rest it was horrific, unlike this.

[ladyofpayne]

reginamb wrote...

So I saw the post made by Bioware on Facebook the other day and decided to make my own version (because I strongly disagree with the artist's version they posted) 

Let me know what you think?
She, like Antiva, is strongly inspired by Itallian dress and Spanish / Itallian woman.

Where is this post? Can you give a link?

[Wrathion]

 Here you go (probably) 

Edit : Okay, it works. Yay.

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 12 août 2012 - 12:22 .

[King Cousland]

ladyofpayne wrote...

reginamb wrote...

So I saw the post made by Bioware on Facebook the other day and decided to make my own version (because I strongly disagree with the artist's version they posted) 

Let me know what you think?
She, like Antiva, is strongly inspired by Itallian dress and Spanish / Itallian woman.

Where is this post? Can you give a link?

Here. I generally agree that based on our current knowledge of Antiva the drawing isn't representative of an Antivan (it is a good piece of work however, as is your own). If anything I'd say that the original drawing looks to be Rivaini.

Modifié par King Cousland, 12 août 2012 - 12:23 .

[Wrathion]

King Cousland wrote...


Here. I generally agree that based on our current knowledge of Antiva the drawing isn't representative of an Antivan (it is a good piece of work however, as is your own). If anything I'd say that the original drawing looks to be Rivaini.

How is it not? Hoooooooooooooooow?

[ladyofpayne]

On face book the girl looks Rivaini.

[Wrathion]

ladyofpayne wrote...

On face book the girl looks Rivaini.

*facepalm*

[reginamb]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

King Cousland wrote...


Here. I generally agree that based on our current knowledge of Antiva the drawing isn't representative of an Antivan (it is a good piece of work however, as is your own). If anything I'd say that the original drawing looks to be Rivaini.

How is it not? Hoooooooooooooooow?

With what we know of Antiva, the people are strongly based off of Itallian / Spanish people and geography.  

Zevran mentions the way the woman look there a few times in dialogue in DA:O. One time he refers to them as "Dark Haired Beauties" then in another instance in Redcliff, he mentions the honey wine being the same color of the skin of the Antivan woman. He also talks about his mother being a woman "without wealth" and that most woman without wealth end up as prostitutes. He talks about the fine linens and leathers.

It is also known that Antiva is a central trade hub so the woman there would be wearing the best fabrics around the world. Antiva is a rich country ran by Assassins, it's people romantic. Another NPC in origins mentions that Antivan woman would never be caught with a weapon and that they're only dangerous with poisons and a smile. Which makes us believe that Antivan woman are delicate looking or at least, they act it. 

So based on ALL this, I can't imagin that the Antivan woman would look like an African Warrior princess adorned with hard cuffs of gold. with her hair desplayed widly to the winds, wearing barely anything about her chest. Could she be from Antiva? Sure, why not.  Is she a good representation of an Antivan woman based on what we know?  Absolutly not.  It's still a great piece of artwork.


And those are not garders as in two little ruffle rings around her thighs, those are stockings held up by a garder belt. 

Modifié par reginamb, 12 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[NKKKK]

For the facebook post, you're right in saying she's not what we are presented as Antivans, cange Antivan for Rivain and the FB post is good.

Also all I see is pantyshot

[reginamb]

I'm pretty sure the artist was creating exceptional cases for the sake of them being exceptional.

I was interested in the artists work so I checked him out. The picture is based on a model he used for the drawing, so my guess is that maybe the model herself wanted to be Antivan? *shrugs* I never said she couldn't have been a special flower that emerged from Antiva... I just said I disagreed with her being a representation of a CONCEPT of what an Antivan Apostate would look like. Now had the artist posted a small description of this particular character's background... that would explain her uniqueness and specialness... then I'm sure I wouldn't have been inspired to draw in the first place.. which I'm sure, would have saved PinkDiamondstl pain and suffering in having to look at my terrible artwork.

[reginamb]

NKKKK wrote...

For the facebook post, you're right in saying she's not what we are presented as Antivans, cange Antivan for Rivain and the FB post is good.

Also all I see is pantyshot

In Origins, most of the Apostate clothing (for the woman at least) were glorified loincloths. I used the same idea. Nothing wrong with a little panty shot!

[ladyofpayne]

I don't want girl in party like her.

[jillabender]

Beautiful artwork, reginamb – I love the concept! She definitely has a Spanish look to her, and her clothing reminds me of historical drawings I've seen of Italian courtesans from the Renaissance.

Modifié par jillabender, 12 août 2012 - 06:07 .

[Wrathion]

reginamb wrote...


With what we know of Antiva, the people are strongly based off of Itallian / Spanish people and geography.  

And?

Zevran mentions the way the woman look there a few times in dialogue in DA:O. One time he refers to them as "Dark Haired Beauties" then in another instance in Redcliff, he mentions the honey wine being the same color of the skin of the Antivan woman. He also talks about his mother being a woman "without wealth" and that most woman without wealth end up as prostitutes. He talks about the fine linens and leathers.

 Um...she is dark-haired. So every single woman in Antiva has the exact same color of skin because this one guy says so. Alright. 

It is also known that Antiva is a central trade hub so the woman there would be wearing the best fabrics around the world. Antiva is a rich country ran by Assassins, it's people romantic. Another NPC in origins mentions that Antivan woman would never be caught with a weapon and that they're only dangerous with poisons and a smile. Which makes us believe that Antivan woman are delicate looking or at least, they act it.

She's an apostate. You know an illegal mage hunted by the Chantry for existing outside of the Circle. I'll be she has all the time in the world to conform to Antiva's standard of femininity. 

So based on ALL this, I can't imagin that the Antivan woman would look like an African Warrior princess adorned with hard cuffs of gold. with her hair desplayed widly to the winds, wearing barely anything about her chest. Could she be from Antiva? Sure, why not.  Is she a good representation of an Antivan woman based on what we know?  Absolutly not.  It's still a great piece of artwork.

 

Wow, African Warrior Princess. You lost me on that.

And those are not garders as in two little ruffle rings around her thighs, those are stockings held up by a garder belt.

Uh...I know.  But why does she even have them? It's seems to be only there for no reason other than to be sexy. If Antivan woman are so refined and delicate (Even the wanted apostates, apparently) why would she wear something so vulgar? 

NKKKK wrote...

For the facebook post, you're right in saying she's not what we are presented as Antivans, cange Antivan for Rivain and the FB post is good.

Also all I see is pantyshot

What makes the facebook concept more suited for a Rivaini apostate than Antivan?

Filament wrote...


Granted that the artist said they were going to do a Dalish who looks Asian too, so it may be true that they are creating exceptional cases for the sake of exception rather than variety within a known spectrum.

I think they specified "Asian" because in every other Dalish fanart everyone is white. "Variety within a known spectrum"? Dalish cannot be asian? When did we learn that?

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 12 août 2012 - 06:44 .

[brushyourteeth]

You're really talented!!!

[reginamb]

[quote]Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

[quote]reginamb wrote...


With what we know of Antiva, the people are strongly based off of Itallian / Spanish people and geography.  

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote... 

And?

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And the picture on Facebook doesn't reflect this basis or inspiration



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Zevran mentions the way the woman look there a few times in dialogue in DA:O. One time he refers to them as "Dark Haired Beauties" then in another instance in Redcliff, he mentions the honey wine being the same color of the skin of the Antivan woman. He also talks about his mother being a woman "without wealth" and that most woman without wealth end up as prostitutes. He talks about the fine linens and leathers. [/quote]
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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote... 
 Um...she is dark-haired. So every single woman in Antiva has the exact same color of skin because this one guy says so. Alright. 
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No because the only information we have about Antiva are from "this one guy" in the game. Since there are no other clarifications made in DA2 or by Bioware, we have to asume that "this one guy" is refering to a common look of the Antivan people. Seeing on how Zevran himself. is blonde, I'm sure he wasn't being bias...



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It is also known that Antiva is a central trade hub so the woman there would be wearing the best fabrics around the world. Antiva is a rich country ran by Assassins, it's people romantic. Another NPC in origins mentions that Antivan woman would never be caught with a weapon and that they're only dangerous with poisons and a smile. Which makes us believe that Antivan woman are delicate looking or at least, they act it. [/quote] 


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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote... 
She's an apostate. You know an illegal mage hunted by the Chantry for existing outside of the Circle. I'll be she has all the time in the world to conform to Antiva's standard of femininity. 
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She IS illegal person. You're right. Which would make more sense that she would try hard not to stand out in a country where woman are seen as delicate flowers by dressing nothing like them and acting nothing like them.... /sarcasm


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So based on ALL this, I can't imagin that the Antivan woman would look like an African Warrior princess adorned with hard cuffs of gold. with her hair desplayed widly to the winds, wearing barely anything about her chest. Could she be from Antiva? Sure, why not.  Is she a good representation of an Antivan woman based on what we know?  Absolutly not.  It's still a great piece of artwork. [/quote] 

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote... 
 Wow, African Warrior Princess. You lost me on that.
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Apparently that wasn't PC enough for you.


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And those are not garders as in two little ruffle rings around her thighs, those are stockings held up by a garder belt. [/quote]
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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote... 
 Uh...I know. 
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Then you would know that Garter belts are not useless, they hold up your stockings. Stockings back in those days wouldn't come equiped with those nifty rubber rings on the inside to keep them from slidding down...



[quote]NKKKK wrote...

For the facebook post, you're right in saying she's not what we are presented as Antivans, cange Antivan for Rivain and the FB post is good.

Also all I see is pantyshot[/quote]

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote... 
 What makes the facebook concept more suited for a Rivaini apostate than Antivan?[/quote]

Rivaini's are discribed to be dark skinned and dark haired.... Whereas Antivans are discribed to be dark haired and honey skinned.  Yes she could have been a special case. A daughter of a immigrant from Rivaini born in Antiva. But in that case she would dress as an Antivan unless, dispite her birthplace, she doesn't conform to her surrounding country and dresses as a Rivaini because her parents were from there?? (which... doesn't make any sense at all)   She doesn't look Antivan as discribed in the game. 
I'm not sure what more can be explained. Either you are incapable of understanding the explainations or you're just looking for an argument. 

Modifié par reginamb, 12 août 2012 - 06:53 .

[Murder Knife]

Quote wars are bad for your health. Don't do quote wars.

[Wrathion]

[quote]reginamb wrote...

And the picture on Facebook doesn't reflect this basis or inspiration. [/quote] This was a concept for an Antivan Apostate. Not every Antivan woman ever.

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No because the only information we have about Antiva are from "this one guy" in the game. Since there are no other clarifications made in DA2 or by Bioware, we have to asume that "this one guy" is refering to a common look of the Antivan people. Seeing on how Zevran himself. is blonde, I'm sure he wasn't being bias...[/quote]

No we don't...
What does him being blonde have to do with anything? You aren't serious are you? Zevran his referring to the "common look" of Antivan people...even when he himself doesn't fit this description. Zevran is Brown-skinned and blonde haired. 

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She IS illegal person. You're right. Which would make more sense that she would try hard not to stand out in a country where woman are seen as delicate flowers by dressing nothing like them and acting nothing like them.... /sarcasm [/quote]

You hear that Morrigan, why aren't you dressed like all the other Fereldans? Blending in is the only purpose you have in life.
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Apparently that wasn't PC enough for you. [/quote] lol

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Then you would know that Garter belts are not useless, they hold up your stockings. Stockings back in those days wouldn't come equiped with those nifty rubber rings on the inside to keep them from slidding down...[/quote]

Ugh, Garters are meant to hold up stockings...under a skirt or dress. SHE'S NOT WEARING ANY BOTTOMS. When do you ever see women wearing garters without bottoms? Only in erotic media. She's blending in with the populous so well.



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Rivaini's are discribed to be dark skinned and dark haired.... Whereas Antivans are discribed to be dark haired and honey skinned.  Yes she could have been a special case. A daughter of a immigrant from Rivaini born in Antiva. But in that case she would dress as an Antivan unless, dispite her birthplace, she doesn't conform to her surrounding country and dresses as a Rivaini because her parents were from there?? (which... doesn't make any sense at all)   She doesn't look Antivan as discribed in the game. 
I'm not sure what more can be explained. Either you are incapable of understanding the explainations or you're just looking for an argument. 


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Rivaini's are described as dark-skinned by the devs. Officially. Antivans were described by this one dude once who doesn't even fit his own description. And this man is the only source of your arguement. 


[quote]jillabender wrote...








I don't think anyone here has suggested that all women from Antiva must be depicted as having a certain colour of skin. I think all the OP was suggesting was that the lore of Dragon Age doesn't imply that there would be many Antivan women with African features like the woman depicted in the artwork she was referring to. [/quote] That's what the OP has been saying this entire time. The "lore" of dragon age doesn't specify specific physical features native to Antivans.




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To use a real-world example, there are people of purely African background who are albino. Their appearance doesn't make them any less African, but they're not typical examples of what many African people look like. [/quote]
Sure, but they are argueing that the original concept couldn't possibly be anything of what an Antivan woman looks like. Based on her skin color alone.








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Personally, I think it would be interesting to see people in Thedas who have a greater variety of ethnic features – I'd love to see more people with African or Asian features in future Dragon Age games, for example. [/quote] So would I but...I doubt that's going to happen. I just stick to making my Hawke's/Wardens/???? brown.

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 12 août 2012 - 07:30 .

[jillabender]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote…

What makes the facebook concept more suited for a Rivaini apostate than Antivan?

I can see why people would associate the woman's clothing in that artwork with Rivain, because it looks similar to the outfit Isabela wears, and we know that Isabela is from Rivain. Of course, it's entirely possible that Isabela isn't a very representative example of the way Rivaini women dress.

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote…

Um...she is dark-haired. So every single woman in Antiva has the exact same color of skin because this one guy says so. Alright.

I don't think anyone here has suggested that all women from Antiva must be depicted as having a certain colour of skin. I think all the OP was suggesting was that the lore of Dragon Age doesn't imply that there would be many Antivan women with African features like the woman depicted in the artwork she was referring to.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with depicting an Antivan woman with African features – it's just that the woman in the fanart the OP was referring to doesn't look to me like a very representative example of how I would imagine most Antivan women to look based on the game's lore. She looks to me like an atypical example of an Antivan woman. Of course, that's just based on how I imagine Antiva from the little that I know about it from the game – for all I know, the writers imagine it differently.

To use a real-world example, there are people of purely African background who are albino. Their appearance doesn't make them any less African, but they're not typical examples of what many African people look like.

That being said, generalizations about physical features shared by people from a certain part of of the world should always be taken with a grain of salt, because there's so much variation within ethnic groups that it would be impossible to find a perfectly representative example of what people from a particular ethnic group look like.

Personally, I think it would be interesting to see people in Thedas who have a greater variety of ethnic features – I'd love to see more people with African or Asian features in future Dragon Age games, for example.

Modifié par jillabender, 12 août 2012 - 07:19 .