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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Ravensword wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

More people are worried about DA3 having MP than if DA3 will actually be a good game or not.

But always MP = bad SP

Why do you think so? MP didn't kill ME3's SP. The writing did.

You must not have played the same ME3 I did, the MP is more than partly responsible for the direction of the plot in SP not to mention the lack of space a SP mode can have on a disc because of MP.

If Bioware had of used the team that built MP on the SP, it would not be in the state its in.

so yes ALWAYS MP = BAD SP

Modifié par DinoSteve, 20 août 2012 - 04:08 .

[Ravensword]

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

More people are worried about DA3 having MP than if DA3 will actually be a good game or not.

But always MP = bad SP

Why do you think so? MP didn't kill ME3's SP. The writing did.

You must not have played the same ME3 I did, the MP is more than partly responsible for the direction of the plot in SP not to mention the lack of space a SP mode can have on a disc because of MP.

If Bioware had of used the team that built MP on the SP, it would not be in the state its in.

so yes ALWAYS MP = BAD SP

Yeah, keep blaming MP for how ME3 turned out. I'm sure if MP wasn't included, ME3 would've been magically awesome and free of the ending it got.

Modifié par Ravensword, 20 août 2012 - 04:31 .

[Iakus]

Ravensword wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

More people are worried about DA3 having MP than if DA3 will actually be a good game or not.

But always MP = bad SP

Why do you think so? MP didn't kill ME3's SP. The writing did.

You must not have played the same ME3 I did, the MP is more than partly responsible for the direction of the plot in SP not to mention the lack of space a SP mode can have on a disc because of MP.

If Bioware had of used the team that built MP on the SP, it would not be in the state its in.

so yes ALWAYS MP = BAD SP

Yeah, keep blaming MP for how ME3 turned out. I'm sure if MP wasn't included, ME3 would've been magically awesome and free of the ending it got.

That's just it.  Bioware's storytelling ability has been called into serious question.  That needs to be the focus now.  By adding multiplayer, in any form, that shows that this isn't the sole focus.  Even if it's a separate team, or separate resources.  Any flaw in the story will be magnified by the existence of multiplayer.  Even (relatively) unintrusive multiplayer.

Bioware needs to show that they "still got it"  as far as narrative

[Ravensword]

iakus wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

More people are worried about DA3 having MP than if DA3 will actually be a good game or not.

But always MP = bad SP

Why do you think so? MP didn't kill ME3's SP. The writing did.

You must not have played the same ME3 I did, the MP is more than partly responsible for the direction of the plot in SP not to mention the lack of space a SP mode can have on a disc because of MP.

If Bioware had of used the team that built MP on the SP, it would not be in the state its in.

so yes ALWAYS MP = BAD SP

Yeah, keep blaming MP for how ME3 turned out. I'm sure if MP wasn't included, ME3 would've been magically awesome and free of the ending it got.

That's just it.  Bioware's storytelling ability has been called into serious question.  That needs to be the focus now.  By adding multiplayer, in any form, that shows that this isn't the sole focus.  Even if it's a separate team, or separate resources.  Any flaw in the story will be magnified by the existence of multiplayer.  Even (relatively) unintrusive multiplayer.

Bioware needs to show that they "still got it"  as far as narrative

Many people like to throw the blame on MP as to why ME3 turned out the way it is. People want to believe that BW's writers didn't drop the ball on this one all by themselves and many of these people don't like the fact that MP was placed in ME3, and so they blame MP for the way ME3 turned out.

The fact is, regardless of whether or not they implement MP in DA3, BW needs to do all they can to make DA3 a great game that'll be priased by critics and consumers alike.

[Baroo5]

if they make multiplayer like NWN 2 and add mod tools for content, it would be pretty awesome, but i doubt they will add mod tools.

[tez19]

BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE. Bioware are dead, a once great developer now a LAUGHING stock of the gmaing community. DA3 will be another flop and the end to dragon age, Biowares next game after DA3 will get no preorders and will be the death of the company. Bioware you are DEAD.

[culletron1]

I expect it to be pretty poor...

[Genshie]

tez19 wrote...

BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE. Bioware are dead, a once great developer now a LAUGHING stock of the gmaing community. DA3 will be another flop and the end to dragon age, Biowares next game after DA3 will get no preorders and will be the death of the company. Bioware you are DEAD.

Where the heck are you spewing this crap from? Sales and practically everything else says otherwise. ME3 is not a flop in any sense of the word.  

[tez19]

Genshie, look around the gaming community outside of BSN, Bioware is hated and laughed at by many and most gamers. DA2 was a disgrace, ME3 endings show Biowares writing talent is depleted. Bioware are dead, the Bioware i know do not shoehorn MUTLIPLAYER in every game. Horde mode oh what such fun...NOT.

[Genshie]

tez19 wrote...

Genshie, look around the gaming community outside of BSN, Bioware is hated and laughed at by many and most gamers. DA2 was a disgrace, ME3 endings show Biowares writing talent is depleted. Bioware are dead, the Bioware i know do not shoehorn MUTLIPLAYER in every game. Horde mode oh what such fun...NOT.

First off alot of schools in game design really respect Bioware's story writing to this day and still considers them one of the best at doing what they do.
Second, Black OPs zombie, Gears of War Horde, Transformers War for Cybertron Escalation, and yes even ME3's multiplayer mode (hell you can even throw in LEft 4 Dead as well to a degree) have all proven you wrong otherwise on how much fun it actually is.  (There are many more titles with great horde modes.) Did you know that Bioshock Infinite's multiplayer mode was going to be a quasi horde mode before they tossed it. (Yeah oddly enough one of the few games that was going to have a multiplayer mode then tossed it out)

Modifié par Genshie, 20 août 2012 - 06:58 .

[tez19]

I do not expect bi0dr0n3s on this site to see reasona nd reality, but you cannot deny Bioware have been on a massive decline with dragon age 2 and mass effect 3.

[Genshie]

tez19 wrote...

I do not expect bi0dr0n3s on this site to see reasona nd reality, but you cannot deny Bioware have been on a massive decline with dragon age 2 and mass effect 3.

I have read a few of your post and so far they have been filled with nothing productive and only with mass insults. If you feel like the company has gone to hell in a basket then why are you still posting here? Don't you think you are wasting your time by posting on this site? Or do you have nothing better to do with your time?

Modifié par Genshie, 20 août 2012 - 07:16 .

[Nennykins]

Stop feeding the troll.

[EricHVela]

While we know full well that there were two separate teams working on ME3, we also know full well that there are one set of controls and one gameplay style, meaning the two teams worked together to create one mostly-MP game instead of two with one part being solely SP-focused.

For Mass Effect, it might have worked, but it seems there are MP elements in the SP that hurt the SP gameplay on top of certain controversies surrounding the story.

For Dragon Age as we've known it, the single player gameplay is not conducive to multi-player and vice-versa.

HOWEVER!

That was Dragon Age as we've known it so far. It doesn't mean that they cannot create a co-op gameplay that will be popular as some have mentioned regarding past BW products.

If they make a kind of digital Dungeon Master for multiple players, I think we might find something we can SP and Co-op in the campaign at our whims.

If they try the whole ME3 battlegrounds in Dragon Age, it will fail for being forced to share UI and control resources across two incompatible play-styles (regardless if there are separate development teams).

Yes. I have been swayed from total anti-MP for Dragon Age. I think there is a way to make MP work as a co-op campaign mode. Yet, I still don't think there's a way to make Dragon Age have battlefields like ME3.

(That was the part where I was stuck: ME3 battlefields: Just no. Co-op campaign with a digital DM: maybe.)

EDIT: I think that, in a co-op campaign mode, the game would still be made by mostly a single team instead of a team focusing on MP and a team focusing on SP.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 20 août 2012 - 08:12 .

[jackofalltrades456]

ReggarBlane wrote...

While we know full well that there were two separate teams working on ME3, we also know full well that there are one set of controls and one gameplay style, meaning the two teams worked together to create one mostly-MP game instead of two with one part being solely SP-focused.

For Mass Effect, it might have worked, but it seems there are MP elements in the SP that hurt the SP gameplay on top of certain controversies surrounding the story.

For Dragon Age as we've known it, the single player gameplay is not conducive to multi-player and vice-versa.

HOWEVER!

That was Dragon Age as we've known it so far. It doesn't mean that they cannot create a co-op gameplay that will be popular as some have mentioned regarding past BW products.

If they make a kind of digital Dungeon Master for multiple players, I think we might find something we can SP and Co-op in the campaign at our whims.

If they try the whole ME3 battlegrounds in Dragon Age, it will fail for being forced to share UI and control resources across two incompatible play-styles (regardless if there are separate development teams).

Yes. I have been swayed from total anti-MP for Dragon Age. I think there is a way to make MP work as a co-op campaign mode. Yet, I still don't think there's a way to make Dragon Age have battlefields like ME3.

(That was the part where I was stuck: ME3 battlefields: Just no. Co-op campaign with a digital DM: maybe.)

EDIT: I think that, in a co-op campaign mode, the game would still be made by mostly a single team instead of a team focusing on MP and a team focusing on SP.

I fully agree that co-op is the best choice for Dragon Age 3.  It worked pretty well in the Fable series and would be great if they mixed it with a more tatical based Dragon Age 3.

BUT......

Didn't  Mike Laidlaw already state that co-op was extremely unlikely to appear in DA3 and they wanted to bring us arena, pvp style multiplayer? Also there is a rumor that they're going to use the Frostbite 2 engine which was used for the Battlefield multiplayer.

IMO multiplayer is a hit or miss, and really shouldn't be a gamble for Bioware to bet on. I would focus more on the single player and save Multiplayer for the next game if Dragon age 3 does well.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 20 août 2012 - 08:46 .

[Mike_Neel]

Well it's going to have a multiplayer. Let's just accept that as it is and move on. EA said about a year and a half ago, or was it two years ago, that all games published by them would have a multiplayer component, though not necessarily a competitive one. So DAIII will have multiplayer, that's a given.

I don't think a horde type mode would really work for Dragon Age and its gameplay. Even the more action adventure type of gameplay of II over the strategic gameplay of Origins. I'd imagine the best way to do it would be a seperate PvE kind of multiplayer. Probably have your character run through some dungeons or encounters from singleplayer but instead of the singleplayer companions you'll be doing it with real people.

It'll probably have classes similar to ME3 in that you won't customize your character to the same degree you would your single player one, and you'll rank up in that. Not sure how this will effect single player or if it should, but I imagine they'd want it to so it feels more connected and less like a tacked on extra. That'd be easiest for them anyways.

They could do something more interesting and let you import you single player character for one shot instances, and have your companions possibly remark on your characters absence from them or adventuring off with different people as a little connection between the two. I don't know. Like say you could take your single player character to go run through a dungeon or creepy forest with your real life friends and then next time you load up single player your party companions would comment about how you're going to leave them or how you're spending a lot of time freelancing and they feel neglected or thankful for down time. But that would be pretty difficult on the dev side and I'm not sure how you'd balance it outside of having exp and loot earned in multiplayer not transfer over into single player, which would be weird. if they did let it transfer then they'd have to account for people grinding away in multiplayer coming over to singleplayer and breaking the game possibly.

[Halo Quea]

I don't know if I could deal with another MP element from Bioware.

So what happens when we all find or unlock a powerful sword or staff? Will Bioware once again capitulate to the nerfers? Will it become heavier? Will they decrease it's damage and impose longer cooldowns?

Seriously, who is ready to go through another round of this again?

[ianvillan]

Baroo5 wrote...

if they make multiplayer like NWN 2 and add mod tools for content, it would be pretty awesome, but i doubt they will add mod tools.

Bioware took away the construction kit there is no way at all they will allow user created mods like NWN because they want beable to charge the players for each individual modual.

[Dragon_Effect 15511]

Seriously why are people on BSN so whiny. Why do you people pretend like Mass Effect 3 is the worst game ever created .Mass Effect 3 is not a bad game. It is a great game. And the Mutiplayer was pretty good. If you don't like Bioware games any more don't buy them and leave BSN. I'm tired of all this constant overreacting and whining. That said I don't want Mutiplayer in Dragon Age 3. Not every game needs mutiplayer. Skyrim did fine without it.

[Endurium]

I don't mind a multiplayer option in a singleplayer game as long as it doesn't negatively impact the singleplayer campaign.

In the Baldur's Gate games, which I still have installed and play from time to time, multiplayer is a handy way to create a party of your own characters. I tried peer-to-peer multiplayer once but it didn't lock out the console so people were doing all manner of things (look, I'm a dragon!).

I don't like ME3's singleplayer depending to some extent on how much multiplayer is played. If DA3 does have multiplayer, I hope that nonsense isn't present.

[Xerxes52]

Personally I would prefer no multiplayer at all (with all available resources and teams working on SP), but if it must be in, then I would want to have the ability to play it with AI offline.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 21 août 2012 - 12:47 .

[aeonlifestream]

I highly doubt they would add multiplayer to Dragon Age. When was the last medieval setting C-RPG that actually had co-op / multiplayer? I honestly can't remember, to be honest.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

aeonlifestream wrote...

I highly doubt they would add multiplayer to Dragon Age. When was the last medieval setting C-RPG that actually had co-op / multiplayer? I honestly can't remember, to be honest.

World of Warcraft.  A couple people play it.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

DA3 MP could kick ass. Hell, ME3 MP already has the Slayer, the Shadow, the Paladin... all classes that could fit into a DA MP.

[aeonlifestream]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

aeonlifestream wrote...

I highly doubt they would add multiplayer to Dragon Age. When was the last medieval setting C-RPG that actually had co-op / multiplayer? I honestly can't remember, to be honest.

World of Warcraft.  A couple people play it.

That is an MMO, a totally different ballgame. I am talking about a single player focused RPG.