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[TJPags]

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...

[quote]TJPags wrote...


To some people, Ant-Man - who I understand from reading the wiki someone linked me to was a founding member of the Avengers - is an interesting character.  The statement I just quoted about Nick Fury could likely be made for Ant Man - he's a founding member, how awful it was he wasn't in the Avengers.  He has such an interesting backstory, a scientist who discovers Pym Particles, can change his size, speak to and control ants - great concept!! [/quote]

He's also a wife beater with anger issues... [/quote]

Even better!!!  Actually, some personal issues may help sell this, if they case someone hot as his wife.

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...
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Then you have people who have - sit down for this, people - NEVER READ A COMIC BOOK.  Never heard of Ant Man.  Did not read every issue of The Avengers comics (or whatever the comics they appeared in was called).  Those people have heard of Batman, Superman.  Probably the Hulk and Iron Man.  Those people know Thor as a greek god, not a comic book superhero. [/quote]

I'm actually pretty sure most Americans would recognize Thor as a superhero, without even realizing his mythology has been around since the Viking ages. Just sayin'.
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Really?  You could be right.  I vaguely remember some cartoon he was in a long time ago.  I'm also a big reader on mythology, so that may jade me.  I'm sceptical, though.

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...
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You know why people like me watched Transformers?  It was an action movie - they blew crap up at a tremendous rate.  Iron Man did it too.  So did the Hulk, to a lesser degree.  Spiderman movies bore me.  So do Superman movies.  Not enough crap being blown up.  And I really don't care about Peter Parker and his angst. [/quote]

Bay's explosions ended up being the downfall of the Transformers franchise, haven't seen a 4th one in the make have we?
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I haven't seen a Jaws 4, either.  Nor did I see a 4th Star Wars film for something like 30 years.  Your point?

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...
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I've never heard of Nick Fury before this thread.  Never heard of Ant Man before the first thread I saw here about him.  I don't know who or what Nick Fury is, and what I know of Ant Man sounds absolutely absurd. [/quote]

David Hasselhoff played him in a TV movie one time...  Yeah, and Nick Fury originated as a White Guy! 
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David Hasselhoff?  You're pulling out David Hasselhoff as a big deal?  Maybe in Germany . . . .

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...
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There are millions of people who follow comics, and I'm not trying to put them down at all.  But there are tens of millions who don't.  Movies that cost $200 million to make don't want to have audiences measured in millions.  They want an audience measured in tens of millions, and revenue measured in hundreds of millions, not tens of millions.  [/quote]
 
I'd be willing to bet the majority of those millions made off the Avengers movie came from people who have never read a comic book in their life... I personally never read any until the movies started coming out... but I've known all the characters thoroughly since I was a child... 
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I'm willing to bet the majority of that money came from those people too.  It's where it NEEDS to come from.  Which is my point.

As an aside, how do you know these characters so thoroughly if not from comics?

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...
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If this movie is made, it needs to be made attractive to people like me, not to people who love comics.  People who love comics will likely go see it anyway.  While I think Samuel L. Jackson is a great actor, putting Nick Fury into the Ant Man movie won't do it.  Putting, say, Iron Man or Thor into it might help.  Blowing crap up at a tremendous rate may help also.  [/quote]

If you like things as simple as explosions I don't think it will be very hard to sell tickets to other people like you. 
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Yea, you missed the sarcasm.  Takes more than explosions to interest me in a movie, although sometimes not much more, I'll admit.  I'm a fan of Rambo, Die Hard, and movies like that.

[quote]Rickochet101 wrote...
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Does Ant Man blow crap up?[/quote]

Hank Pym does whatever the H*** he wants! And he doesn't even have real super powers... Hey.... Neither does Bruce Wayne....  Go figure...

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Yea, I never got Bruce Wayne.  RIch vigilante that was always smarter than everyone and never met anyone with actual powers - how does he fit as a superhero?  But anyway . . . .

Again, my point is kind of made by this last reply - what exactly does he do?  And why should we be interested?  Because I assure you, there are tens of millions of people out there who will NOT be intrigued simply by hearing "Ant Man".

Modifié par TJPags, 13 août 2012 - 01:24 .

[Rockworm503]

As a comic book fan I'm not interested in Ant Man so I'm the last person to answer this. Though if its following the same continuity Marvel has built up with the Avengers than I'm going to go see it. I'm going to hope it doesn't ruin the continuity or that I didn't waste my time seeing it.

I think there's a way to appease the "dumb" average movie goer with action and not ruin the franchise that its based on. Look at Avengers. Perfect example. It stayed true to the source material while bringing something new to the table and even people who never picked up a comic book loved it. Since we're on the topic of Transformers and action movie's in general the best example is what went up against Transformers. The Expendables is a far superior movie and its a dumb popcorn action flick. Because it doesn't insult our intelligence or ruin what its based off of. A homage to 80s action movies? who can resist? Die Hard is some of my favorite movies ever. Anything that can capture the awesomeness of that is great in my book. If they want to get the action crowd follow Sly Stallone's lead and forget Micheal Bay's stupidity.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Actually there was a Jaws 4
and it was Horse****.

[Rockworm503]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Actually there was a Jaws 4
and it was Horse****.

YUP

[TheClonesLegacy]

Rockworm503 wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Actually there was a Jaws 4
and it was Horse****.

YUP

I hate that movie SO much, Because Jaws is one of my favorite Movies and seeing where they put the Series....

[TJPags]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Actually there was a Jaws 4
and it was Horse****.

There was?  Shame.

I quit after Jaws3D. 

[TheClonesLegacy]

TJPags wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Actually there was a Jaws 4
and it was Horse****.

There was?  Shame.

I quit after Jaws3D. 

Thank god it stopped after 4.

[Blastback]

Once again, Hank Pym does not qualify as a wife beater. He hit Jan once during a mental breakdown. In order to be an actual wife beater, you have to do it repeatedly, and not just when you are having a psycotic break. Reed Richards has hit his wife more than Hank, yet somehow gets a free pass.

And it is crucial to court the fan base. While we comic book fans are not the ones that provide the bulk of a film's success, we help create the buzz that these films use to hit it big. Most of my friends are not comic book fans. But they usually check with me to see if I think the film is worth seeing. Hearing a bunch of passionate fans yelling about how unfaithful the film is to the source material can kill a film.

[TJPags]

Not to derail the thread, but yes, hitting your wife once makes you a wife beater. Also, nice morals these comics are showing.

And yes, you have to court the fan base to make buzz. But you have to appeal to other people as well. That's really my only point.

[Blastback]

TJPags wrote...

Not to derail the thread, but yes, hitting your wife once makes you a wife beater. Also, nice morals these comics are showing.

And yes, you have to court the fan base to make buzz. But you have to appeal to other people as well. That's really my only point.

Due to a mental breakdown?

I'm training as a social worker and this kind of senario has come up.  In order to be classified as a wife beater there has to be a cycle of abuse, not just a single incident. 


And comics started getting really inaproprate for kids in the 80's.  They decided they'd rather hang on to old fans than make new young ones.  So they got all edgy.  Sometimes it works.  Others, not at all.

Modifié par Blastback, 13 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[TJPags]

Blastback wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not to derail the thread, but yes, hitting your wife once makes you a wife beater. Also, nice morals these comics are showing.

And yes, you have to court the fan base to make buzz. But you have to appeal to other people as well. That's really my only point.

Due to a mental breakdown?

I'm training as a social worker and this kind of senario has come up.  In order to be classified as a wife beater there has to be a cycle of abuse, not just a single incident. 


And comics started getting really inaproprate for kids in the 80's.  They decided they'd rather hang on to old fans than make new young ones.  So they got all edgy.  Sometimes it works.  Others, not at all.

REALLY don't want to derail this thread, but saying you need a "cycle of abuse" to be a wife beater is like saying you need to hit her more than once for it to count as a beating.

[Blastback]

It's a technical thing I guess. The sociological jargon definition is that it has to happen repeatedly. But in the common vernacular a onetime incident counts it seems.

Edit: Please do not think that I'm saying it's all right for someone to hit their signigiant other even if its only once.  It never is.  It's a labeling issue is all.

Spent 3 years of my life having this stuff drilled into my head. 

Modifié par Blastback, 13 août 2012 - 03:46 .

[Rockworm503]

Blastback wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not to derail the thread, but yes, hitting your wife once makes you a wife beater. Also, nice morals these comics are showing.

And yes, you have to court the fan base to make buzz. But you have to appeal to other people as well. That's really my only point.

Due to a mental breakdown?

I'm training as a social worker and this kind of senario has come up.  In order to be classified as a wife beater there has to be a cycle of abuse, not just a single incident. 


And comics started getting really inaproprate for kids in the 80's.  They decided they'd rather hang on to old fans than make new young ones.  So they got all edgy.  Sometimes it works.  Others, not at all.

Nothing more edgy than Emenim and Punisher crossover amirite?

[Blastback]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not to derail the thread, but yes, hitting your wife once makes you a wife beater. Also, nice morals these comics are showing.

And yes, you have to court the fan base to make buzz. But you have to appeal to other people as well. That's really my only point.

Due to a mental breakdown?

I'm training as a social worker and this kind of senario has come up.  In order to be classified as a wife beater there has to be a cycle of abuse, not just a single incident. 


And comics started getting really inaproprate for kids in the 80's.  They decided they'd rather hang on to old fans than make new young ones.  So they got all edgy.  Sometimes it works.  Others, not at all.

Nothing more edgy than Emenim and Punisher crossover amirite?

I remeber seeing that cover.  All I could think was a classic Punisher quote.

"They put the sights on top for a reason"

And let's not forget the time the Punisher crossed over with Archie.

[Rockworm503]

Blastback wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not to derail the thread, but yes, hitting your wife once makes you a wife beater. Also, nice morals these comics are showing.

And yes, you have to court the fan base to make buzz. But you have to appeal to other people as well. That's really my only point.

Due to a mental breakdown?

I'm training as a social worker and this kind of senario has come up.  In order to be classified as a wife beater there has to be a cycle of abuse, not just a single incident. 


And comics started getting really inaproprate for kids in the 80's.  They decided they'd rather hang on to old fans than make new young ones.  So they got all edgy.  Sometimes it works.  Others, not at all.

Nothing more edgy than Emenim and Punisher crossover amirite?

I remeber seeing that cover.  All I could think was a classic Punisher quote.

"They put the sights on top for a reason"

And let's not forget the time the Punisher crossed over with Archie.

LOL I can't even pretend to be surprised anymore.  The things they do with crossovers.  I have the X-men / Startrek Next Generation novel around here somewhere 

[Clover Rider]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I think the thought that will cross moviegoers' minds the most is "Who the hell is Ant-Man?"

And that is why it will bomb.

Antman is the Aquaman of Marvel.

Calling Ant-Man Marvel's Aquaman just makes Ant-Man more cool to me.

Anyway I think the film will be like Thor, people will think it will do bad but then it's a hit.

Also Blastback is right, Hank would not be classified as a wife beater. Now Ultimate Hank can be classified as a wife beater and a psycho...

[Blastback]

Some Geth wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I think the thought that will cross moviegoers' minds the most is "Who the hell is Ant-Man?"

And that is why it will bomb.

Antman is the Aquaman of Marvel.

Calling Ant-Man Marvel's Aquaman just makes Ant-Man more cool to me.

Anyway I think the film will be like Thor, people will think it will do bad but then it's a hit.

Also Blastback is right, Hank would not be classified as a wife beater. Now Ultimate Hank can be classified as a wife beater and a psycho...

Ah, the ultimate universe.  Where even Captain America is a terd.

[Rockworm503]

I stopped paying attention to the ultimate universe as soon as they killed peter parker JUST so they can make Spiderman black.

[TheClonesLegacy]

^that why they did it?

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 13 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[Blastback]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Once again, Hank Pym does not qualify as a wife beater. He hit Jan once during a mental breakdown. In order to be an actual wife beater,

He tried to Kill her with Ants and Bug Spray in the Ultimate Universe

I'm talking about the regular universe version of the character.  The Ultimate version is a monster.  No question.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Blastback wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Once again, Hank Pym does not qualify as a wife beater. He hit Jan once during a mental breakdown. In order to be an actual wife beater,

He tried to Kill her with Ants and Bug Spray in the Ultimate Universe

I'm talking about the regular universe version of the character.  The Ultimate version is a monster.  No question.

Agreed, Least he got explodeded

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 13 août 2012 - 03:59 .

[Carcharoth42]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Blastback wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Once again, Hank Pym does not qualify as a wife beater. He hit Jan once during a mental breakdown. In order to be an actual wife beater,

He tried to Kill her with Ants and Bug Spray in the Ultimate Universe

I'm talking about the regular universe version of the character.  The Ultimate version is a monster.  No question.

Agreed, Least he got explodeded

Didn't he eat The Blob?

[TheClonesLegacy]

Carcharoth42 wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Blastback wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Once again, Hank Pym does not qualify as a wife beater. He hit Jan once during a mental breakdown. In order to be an actual wife beater,

He tried to Kill her with Ants and Bug Spray in the Ultimate Universe

I'm talking about the regular universe version of the character.  The Ultimate version is a monster.  No question.

Agreed, Least he got explodeded

Didn't he eat The Blob?

In fairness it was after he Found the Blob Devouring Wasps corpse

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 13 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[Clover Rider]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I stopped paying attention to the ultimate universe as soon as they killed peter parker JUST so they can make Spiderman black.

That was not the reason they did that, Bendis was even planning to do that for a long time before it happened. Marvel hates all their non-white characters in the normal comic stuff anyway, so I guess that makes up for black Spider-Man... Nope.

And hell Spider-Man is still the best comic of the Ultimate stuff, better than normal Spider-Man even.

Modifié par Some Geth, 13 août 2012 - 04:44 .

[Rockworm503]

Some Geth wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I stopped paying attention to the ultimate universe as soon as they killed peter parker JUST so they can make Spiderman black.

That was not the reason they did that, Bendis was even planning to do that for a long time before it happened.

And hell Spider-Man is still the best comic of the Ultimate stuff, better than normal Spider-Man even.

Yes exactly they planned to kill Peter Parker so they can make a black superhero without going through the hard processs of making one.  I don't see what we're in disagreement there.