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[mtmj]

I am looking to create an evil good where no one looses approval when I carry out evil deeds. 


I was thinking

Player - Mage (in order to unlock blood mage)
Sten (respec mod and changing him into S+S)
Morrigan
Zevran (after completing the first ally mission)


Any other charatecters in the game?  Ohren is good aligned, right?  How does Shale respond when you carry out evil deeds?

[Herr Uhl]

Oghren and Shale wants to kill stuff, they would be a better pick than Sten in most cases.

[GhostMatter]

My problem with Sten is that he doesn't have 2 specializations. Use Oghren instead, I didn't have any trouble as far as I remember. He even asked me to kill the dragon for a trophy(I agreed of course). Shale doesn't really care except for her golem daddy, Caridin.



Dog won't bite you, don't worry.

[Bullets McDeath]

Yeah, Sten is less evil that you probably think. He's harsh and brutal, but not in a malicious or selfish way. Shale does not really care one way or the other but tends to lean towards evil.

Ah, and yes, Dog is always a good addition to an evil party, he doesn't whine about anything! He just likes to murder and snuggle, like all the best dogs.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 22 décembre 2009 - 01:30 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sten isn't really evil, but is a good soldier, if you want a party of 4 only though, probably best picking Shale over Sten and working having Shale as your tank rather than respeccing Sten, or yeah have your ever faithful always by your side mabari wardog

[mtmj]

Sten isn't evil? I thought he was more malevolent than good (more like neutral-evil but meh).



I suppose I'll go pick Shale. It takes too long to unlock Oghren and completing Orzammar is difficult.

[mtmj]

Plus I think Oghren gets upset when you do evil things (I think he only gains approval when you side with Branka)

[Herr Uhl]

mtmj wrote...

Plus I think Oghren gets upset when you do evil things (I think he only gains approval when you side with Branka)

As long as you get to kill stuff, he is a happy camper.

[Bullets McDeath]

mtmj wrote...

Sten isn't evil? I thought he was more malevolent than good (more like neutral-evil but meh).

I suppose I'll go pick Shale. It takes too long to unlock Oghren and completing Orzammar is difficult.

His sense of good and evil is very different from ours. He's a complicated dude Alignment-wise, he's really probably Lawful Neutral in that extreme warrior monk sort of way.

[mtmj]

Well I guess that settles it. I plan on going with Mage, Shale, Morrigan and Zevran. Although I could go with Oghren but he takes a lot of work just to unlock

[mtmj]

Although I'm considering just abandoning Morrigan and going with Mage, Oghren, Shale and Zevran (on nightmare)

[KnightofPhoenix]

People seriously need to strike the word "evil" out of their vocabulary if they think Shale, Oghren or Sten are "evil".

Shale is a golem who hates organics. Oghren is a warrior / berserker and a decadent piece of work.

Sten is a practical and pragmatic soldier.



There is no "evil" here (or anywhere I might add).

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

People seriously need to strike the word "evil" out of their vocabulary if they think Shale, Oghren or Sten are "evil".
Shale is a golem who hates organics. Oghren is a warrior / berserker and a decadent piece of work.
Sten is a practical and pragmatic soldier.

There is no "evil" here (or anywhere I might add).

Well, I share that sentiment, but it is easier not to get into semantics at every point someone mentions evil. The PC can however be evil, since he is a work of fiction that is meant to be that.

[amat3rasu]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

People seriously need to strike the word "evil" out of their vocabulary if they think Shale, Oghren or Sten are "evil".
Shale is a golem who hates organics. Oghren is a warrior / berserker and a decadent piece of work.
Sten is a practical and pragmatic soldier.

There is no "evil" here (or anywhere I might add).

The OP clearly explained that he wanted to select evil options over good ones. There clearly are good and bad actions which can be carried out in the game so the use of the term is valid. The OP wants a party in which none of them would object to him selecting such options. Clear as crystal.

Anyway, I agree with the guys. I'd go for:
Morrigan
Shale
Oghren.

Some funny moments when Oghren and Morrigan in the party

[mtmj]

Oghren is a class comedian. I heard he has some funny lines with Zevran, too

[Cybercat999]

You might get surprised with Zevran. I know that he looks like he doesnt care about anything, but that boy has some pretty set principles sometimes too.

[mtmj]

Cybercat999 wrote...

You might get surprised with Zevran. I know that he looks like he doesnt care about anything, but that boy has some pretty set principles sometimes too.

I was thinking of Palpatine Evil; i.e. not killing random people unless I know that is the end of the quest line.  If Zevran does reject than I think I'll just remove him and add all the lockpick skills through the console.   You kind of need lockpick skills in this game especially to finish the minor quests

Modifié par mtmj, 22 décembre 2009 - 03:22 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

As far as I recall there isn't many situations where Zev really disapproves greatly unlike say Wynne, Leliana or Alastair, sure there are some that he don't like too much but, nothing too major... part from probably the dalish, though can't confirm that as never had him in my party when I chose the werewolves

[mtmj]

I think Zevran would get upset if you sided with the Werewolves. 

Modifié par mtmj, 22 décembre 2009 - 03:32 .

[mtmj]

*Spoiler*













I think siding with the Werewolves is more of a neutral option. Wouldn't the most evil option be siding with Zharian, even after you know what's really happening?

[sagefic]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

People seriously need to strike the word "evil" out of their vocabulary if they think Shale, Oghren or Sten are "evil".
Shale is a golem who hates organics. Oghren is a warrior / berserker and a decadent piece of work.
Sten is a practical and pragmatic soldier.

There is no "evil" here (or anywhere I might add).

Morrigan is evil. And ...mean.

okay, just had to quote alistair there. she's not totally evil. she's just...a b*tch

[mtmj]

I decided that





Main - Arcane Warrior / Spirit Healer (Tanking / Healing Mage)

Shale - Main Tank

Zevran - Ranger / Duelist (respec mod)

Morrigan - Spirit Healer / Blood Mage





My main is a female Elf because I plan on romancing Zevran

[mtmj]

If the main strategy for my character doesn't work than I plan on using the respec mod and turning her into a spirit healer / blood mage.  Then I'll drop Morrigan because I don't like having two AoE mages (especially on higher difficulties it means dead teammates unless your exploiting force shield)

Modifié par mtmj, 22 décembre 2009 - 04:26 .

[Dasim4]

Hard to be evil in this game. At least for me it was. I tried but didn't like the results. Everyone shuts you off and you lose out on a lot of stuff. Less XP, fewer quests, vendors won't sell to you. And you can't even kill the random people in towns or anything. It just felt empty really. Also a lot of the dialogue choices result in getting the same answers I got when I was good even though I said something pretty rotten. That didn't feel right either. I just couldn't get into being evil in this game as there didn't seem to be enough real options for it. Basically there was no fun in it.

Modifié par Dasim4, 22 décembre 2009 - 05:19 .

[Original182]

Morrigan - Crazy Evil
Sten - Lawful Evil
Shale - Not evil, but amoral. It's not that she doesn't care, just that shale has become all logic and only wants to see the most efficient route. E.g., why stop to talk with werewolves when you're just a few steps from annihalating them? Why not side with cultists and gain power, as opposed to going against them and gain NO power?

In my current playthrough, I have Oghren and Zevran, and so far choosing good options did not give me disapprovals with either. Only one incident when Oghren wanted Zathrian killed, but he wasn't doing it out of spite, just seeking justice.

Oghren and Zevran are neutral and don't fit the evil party. Maybe Zevran has no morals, but he doesn't go around assassinating people like crazy. He only assassinates his targets.

Modifié par Original182, 22 décembre 2009 - 05:33 .