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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@ 3D: I hope you're right. I hope that each DLC completes the ending and tightens the plot because right now it's a s*** pile. I don't like any of it. I hope that each one like you were mentioning starts ruling out the crap like synthesis, and later control, which had been stated over and over again was put in the damned thing by indoctrinated scientists as sabotage, and eventually even allows it to distinguish between the reapers and other synthetics. And that the final one allows Shepard to get up out of that stinking pile of rubble alive at the end of it all, because this and Puzzle Theory are the last hopes for ME3.

Otherwise we are left with Elephant Theory for any sequel because the ending is a bloody mess.

[AresKeith]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@ 3D: I hope you're right. I hope that each DLC completes the ending and tightens the plot because right now it's a s*** pile. I don't like any of it. I hope that each one like you were mentioning starts ruling out the crap like synthesis, and later control, which had been stated over and over again was put in the damned thing by indoctrinated scientists as sabotage, and eventually even allows it to distinguish between the reapers and other synthetics. And that the final one allows Shepard to get up out of that stinking pile of rubble alive at the end of it all, because this and Puzzle Theory are the last hopes for ME3.

Otherwise we are left with Elephant Theory for any sequel because the ending is a bloody mess.

maybe they will alter Destroy with high EMS or add on to Refuse, its not really changing the ending lol

[Jadebaby]

If anything Leviathan will close off control as it's apparently a rogue reaper.

I like this theory, I really do. I just don't like that it builds upon the destroy option by shooting the tube. The way to destroy them should happen some other way without needing the catalyst at all. If you're going to use the crucible, that is.

[Jadebaby]

However, it is good that we've isolated our last remaining hopes for ME3! =D

[3DandBeyond]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If anything Leviathan will close off control as it's apparently a rogue reaper.

I like this theory, I really do. I just don't like that it builds upon the destroy option by shooting the tube. The way to destroy them should happen some other way without needing the catalyst at all. If you're going to use the crucible, that is.

That's what I wanted to be a part of this.  The catalyst is seen for what he really is-as you gather EMS, you get new dialogue that proves he's flawed (to those who don't believe he is as yet), and disconnects destroy from him-it also would separate him from the crucible.  The only reason I used destroy was because no one that keeps saying "conventional" victory is not possible can say that destroy would not be canon.  They've said destroy the reapers or implied it in all kinds of other words just as if not more often then they said or implied that it's impossible to win against the reapers.  I see this destroy as nullifying the kid.  But I also don't see the crucible as being connected to the kid and the choices.  I think the kid's programming may have changed in response to the arrival of Shepard as well as the existence of the crucible, but I don't see the crucible as actively changing him or creating the choices.

I don't care personally which one it is-refuse or destroy are my personal favorites because I want to freaking kill/destroy the kid and the reapers.

As I see it a fully intact crucible could also affect the kid and make him a bit more frantic-he might really try to force you to choose synthesis or even be desperate enough to get you to choose control.  But he would not want you to choose a fully functional destroy that won't even kill the geth.  He might then be revealed to be an avatar of the reapers, an AI that never had any form of his own, merely a blue box that was made to think, but did "break out" and find a way to become vocal with the appearance of Shepard and the crucible.

[3DandBeyond]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If anything Leviathan will close off control as it's apparently a rogue reaper.

I like this theory, I really do. I just don't like that it builds upon the destroy option by shooting the tube. The way to destroy them should happen some other way without needing the catalyst at all. If you're going to use the crucible, that is.

Well, not sure but some of the dialogue points to him being more forceful in getting Shepard to choose Synthesis-that's what I mean by closing it off.  It will become apparent that Synthesis is a wrong choice because he more fully owns it.  I just haven't seen any dialogue related to Control.  The synthesis dialogue was more telling Shepard he had to choose it.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@ 3D: I hope you're right. I hope that each DLC completes the ending and tightens the plot because right now it's a s*** pile. I don't like any of it. I hope that each one like you were mentioning starts ruling out the crap like synthesis, and later control, which had been stated over and over again was put in the damned thing by indoctrinated scientists as sabotage, and eventually even allows it to distinguish between the reapers and other synthetics. And that the final one allows Shepard to get up out of that stinking pile of rubble alive at the end of it all, because this and Puzzle Theory are the last hopes for ME3.

Otherwise we are left with Elephant Theory for any sequel because the ending is a bloody mess.

maybe they will alter Destroy with high EMS or add on to Refuse, its not really changing the ending lol

This is what I was thinking.  I think any way that would really require the least work to accomplish.  They could do it with some simple dialogue change, EMS earned or opened (EMS you already earned) with DLC, the destruction of the choices and an ending where either refuse or the simple option to destroy (using the crucible as we've talked about where it weakens the reapers' shielding), some scenes of fighting and destroying them, some simple new cutscenes, narration, and slides. 

Then at some later date, for those who didn't want to pay for DLC, have some free patch or DLC that merely makes your current EMS do all that, with the added dialogue, and few new scenes and narration.  So, paying for DLC would give you extra play.  Not paying for it, as it is you still have "endings", but you must wait for the final one if you want it. 

OR

Maybe even with the release of pay for DLC, they could even release free patches that just open up the EMS that you already have for those that don't buy the DLC and that give them the same new catalyst dialogue, so it's clear something is coming.  At that point, people might even start buying DLC for the new content, but it would not be necessary to buy to get the final ending.  People that don't buy DLC just would not get the new additional pre-ending story content.

[Trauma3x]

I've read in these threads that destroy is the only ending thay creates a plot flag (in other words a transfer of your save from 1 game to the next) so if there is a ME4 set after the events in ME3 (which is all speculation @ the moment) i guesd we'll have to see

[AresKeith]

and for refuse, the fact that you need a required EMS to refuse by words is pointing at something in the future

[Saberchic]

As much as I love Destroy, they won't make it any better. Otherwise, who would pick anything but that option?

[3DandBeyond]

Saberchic wrote...

As much as I love Destroy, they won't make it any better. Otherwise, who would pick anything but that option?

Considering it could happen a year after release would that be horrible?  And if everyone would pick it (which is not the case if people really do like other choices better), then what's wrong with giving everyone what they want?

[Saberchic]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

As much as I love Destroy, they won't make it any better. Otherwise, who would pick anything but that option?

Considering it could happen a year after release would that be horrible?  And if everyone would pick it (which is not the case if people really do like other choices better), then what's wrong with giving everyone what they want?

I have no problem if they want to improve the endings.  I just doubt it will happen.

[3DandBeyond]

Saberchic wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

As much as I love Destroy, they won't make it any better. Otherwise, who would pick anything but that option?

Considering it could happen a year after release would that be horrible?  And if everyone would pick it (which is not the case if people really do like other choices better), then what's wrong with giving everyone what they want?

I have no problem if they want to improve the endings.  I just doubt it will happen.

Oh hey I doubt it too, but one can hope until there is at last no more hope.  In which case, head canon becomes canon and ME4 is history.

[Lieber]

You know EDI and the Geth were destroyed because they had REAPER code. I don't see how you could save them. Space magic?

[Iakus]

Lieber wrote...

You know EDI and the Geth were destroyed because they had REAPER code. I don't see how you could save them. Space magic?

It targets synthetic life.  The Catalyst specifically said it wouldn't discriminate in killing  Given Control only targets Reapers, there's no reason not to think that a better constructed Crucible couldn't be further refined to only target Reapers (and no, not just Reaper code)

[V-rcingetorix]

Can't believe it took me so long to see this; been busy with classes I guess.

Excellent idea! With Leviathan coming out in about half an hour, it's too late for retrofits I suppose, but more DLC could definitely work with this.

Note: I've been checking/w different EMS ratings, and you still get the "mostly intact" with 6-7,000 rating. That's a lot of unused resources to keep the Crucible "mostly intact."

[V-rcingetorix]

Trauma3x wrote...

I've read in these threads that destroy is the only ending thay creates a plot flag (in other words a transfer of your save from 1 game to the next) so if there is a ME4 set after the events in ME3 (which is all speculation @ the moment) i guesd we'll have to see

Interesting, I hadn't known that. Thanks for letting me know, it adds hope to my DLC fantasy 

[Warrior Craess]

DWH1982 wrote...

At this point, I rather hope there really isn't a ME4.

I'm saying this up front: If I find out that everyone in ME4 is synthasized, I will not be buying it.

At this point I won't be buying ME4 period. 

[Jackie09]

I love your idea of finishing the crucible I think people everywhere would get the ending they wanted.

[Valmarn]

I'm seeing people mention having EMS (Effective Military Strength) of 8,000 and 10,000.

These number sound more like what someone would have for their "TMS" (Total Military Strength).
Is that what's actually being referred to, or are your galactic readiness' far above 50%?