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gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


Sorry we didn't all go to science fyction school.

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gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


I suspect a lot of people expected a decent ending to the trilogy and not some turd on a plate.

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gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


I expected the option, yes.

This isn't because I didn't think ME was dark, but because a theme was set that there was always a light in the darkness, there was always a way out.

Also because of the strong focus on friendship, relationships and bonds in general.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


I expected the option, yes.

This isn't because I didn't think ME was dark, but because a theme was set that there was always a light in the darkness, there was always a way out.

Also because of the strong focus on friendship, relationships and bonds in general.


This.  Nothing was inevitable.  The player, though SHepard, could accimplish asnything with the right preparation.

So what about it, Bioware?  Will this ever be answered?  Why did Shepard have to get beaten to death with a Plot Hammer in the last ten minutes?  Why did my choices amount to nothing in this regard?

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Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?

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Rightfully shamed?

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gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


Why would I expect that? It's not like ME and ME2 (potentially) ended that way or anything.

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SpamBot2000 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


Sorry we didn't all go to science fyction school.


I got a lol out of this.

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ShepnTali wrote...

Either Bioware is stubborn for stubborn's sake, or they have future plans they refuse to derail.


that sounds about right to me. It's hard to beleive they would be spiteful towards fans on purpose (although refuse makes me second guess that). They're either geniuses or complete chumps. time will tell.

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Well clearly OP, "the ending hasn't been written".

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gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


When interview after interview after interview after interview after interview states "we have many options", **** yeah, I expect the "option".  

I would replay the crap out of ME3 if Destory wasn't such a cop out for those who wanted Shepard to live.  You get 3 other options of 100% DEATH.  Why not 1 complete option of LIFE?

Modifié par Love Sherri, 12 août 2012 - 06:45 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Either Bioware is stubborn for stubborn's sake, or they have future plans they refuse to derail.


Or they're masochists.


Careful.

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gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?


How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.

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iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?


How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.


know what? funny thing during an interview the infamous casey hudson said that we were "fighting for a galaxy worth living in", something like that. Well we all see how those quotes went down, nearly all 100% lies by the end.

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iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?


How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.


Said it yourself in your signature

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Love Sherri wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?


When interview after interview after interview after interview after interview states "we have many options", **** yeah, I expect the "option".  

I would replay the crap out of ME3 if Destory wasn't such a cop out for those who wanted Shepard to live.  You get 3 other options of 100% DEATH.  Why not 1 complete option of LIFE?


Thanks, Jack! - Honestly, I read your answer with Jack's voice in my head and ... It fitted perfectly. Image IPB 

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I wasn't expecting Shepard to survive the ending, but if you're going to give a scene that shows Shepard clearly alive then give some explanation!! Is s/he on the Citadel or London? If so, how did Shepard survive it if its real? Because logic tells me that a person who shot by a big laser, a shot in the shoulder, bleeding out from the shot, the explosion from the tube, and the shock wave from the Crucible would not survive. I think we deserve an decent explanation after all the money and time we put into this franchise.

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gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.


Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)

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Jassu1979 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.


Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)


I did not say I'm opposing Shepard's being alive. I'm OK with Shepard being dead, and I'm just telling people to chill out and give the guy his eternal rest. Can you even take grief and loss seriously in a video game? I enjoy a good closure to a good character.

On the other hand, I still oftenly mingle with the Indoc crowd who might suddenly turned out to be right and an angry Commander Shepard rises up from the London debris to epic metal songs. So I'm fine either way. 

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I get you're attached to your Shepard, we all are. But dying for the sake of the galaxy safety is basically as good as closure you'll ever get. Shepard was practically dead by the time the choice was made, anyway.

Do you want everything spelled out for you in crayon or underlined? Use your imagination, it is your Shepard. Alive or dead? Fill in the blanks. I am glad they left enough things vague in order to have people have their own ideas.

Jassu: There is nothing tactfully wrong about writing Shepard as a martyr for the galaxy considering the circumstances Shepard went under to get that way. Surviving all that she/he went through might seem more cliche than dying.

Modifié par Legendary Chop Chop, 12 août 2012 - 07:11 .


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Legendary Chop Chop wrote...

I get you're attached to your Shepard, we all are. But dying for the sake of the galaxy safety is basically as good as closure you'll ever get. Shepard was practically dead by the time the choice was made, anyway.

Do you want everything spelled out for you in crayon or underlined? Use your imagination, it is your Shepard. Fill in the blanks. I am glad they left enough things vague in order to have people have their own ideas.


Thank you, someone here still understand how and ENDING works

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Either Bioware is stubborn for stubborn's sake, or they have future plans they refuse to derail.


Or they're masochists.


Careful.


Is it offensive to call someone that?

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gorezeelar wrote...

Legendary Chop Chop wrote...

I get you're attached to your Shepard, we all are. But dying for the sake of the galaxy safety is basically as good as closure you'll ever get. Shepard was practically dead by the time the choice was made, anyway.

Do you want everything spelled out for you in crayon or underlined? Use your imagination, it is your Shepard. Fill in the blanks. I am glad they left enough things vague in order to have people have their own ideas.


Thank you, someone here still understand how and ENDING works


Yes, AN ending.. Which we got in control and synthesis. So why the hell can't Destroy have a survive option?

It's ridiculous. This is what I mean when I talk about crazy pills..

What the hell is the point in building the friendships and relationships if it doesn't mean anything in the end anyway? Hell NOTHING means anything in the end.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Either Bioware is stubborn for stubborn's sake, or they have future plans they refuse to derail.


Or they're masochists.


Careful.


Is it offensive to call someone that?


No, but they might like it. 

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gorezeelar wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.


Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)


I did not say I'm opposing Shepard's being alive. I'm OK with Shepard being dead, and I'm just telling people to chill out and give the guy his eternal rest. Can you even take grief and loss seriously in a video game? I enjoy a good closure to a good character.

On the other hand, I still oftenly mingle with the Indoc crowd who might suddenly turned out to be right and an angry Commander Shepard rises up from the London debris to epic metal songs. So I'm fine either way. 


And I would enjoy good closure to EVERY ending ME3 delivers ... Or just in general: If you want to deliver different kinds of endings then also deliver different kinds of closure for each of them! (And I'm talking about "closure" not "implication"/"imagination", you know.) ME isn't/wasn't/has never been a one story-one ending trilogy - especially when you talk about Shepard's story here.