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[Jadebaby]

Jassu1979 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)

SO.MUCH.****ING.WIN!

[Baa Baa]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)

SO.MUCH.****ING.WIN!

[Mcfly616]

I already know what my Shepard does.....he gets rescued, the Normandy lands in Rio, and Shep and Co. party the night away on the Copa Cabana. Kasumi is buying the shots, Jacob and Garrus are the first ones to the bar.....my Shepard arrives fashionably late with Liara in tow (cuz he just got done knocking her up).....

I don't need a picture to illustrate it for me....besides, they probably would've got it wrong.....

As with anything, its in the eye of the beholder

I got "proper" closure. I got a sweet sci fi ending. I got to see the impact my decisions had on the galaxy. And I know my Shepard survived.....that's really all I need to know, considering I already know what everybody plans on doing after the war, now there's nothing left to do but follow through with those plans....

[Essalor]

It's true that Destroy gives the least amount of closure for Shepard. Every other ending basically spells out what happens to him and Destroy has a 3 second "one breath" cutscene that we should interpret as open ending.

Once again it's inconsistent because the other endings pretty much leave very little or peripheral things to imagine, not the fate of the main protagonist.

But then again we are discussing the endings...

[Jadebaby]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I already know what my Shepard does.....he gets rescued, the Normandy lands in Rio, and Shep and Co. party the night away on the Copa Cabana. Kasumi is buying the shots, Jacob and Garrus are the first ones to the bar.....my Shepard arrives fashionably late with Liara in tow (cuz he just got done knocking her up).....

I don't need a picture to illustrate it for me....besides, they probably would've got it wrong.....

As with anything, its in the eye of the beholder

I got "proper" closure. I got a sweet sci fi ending. I got to see the impact my decisions had on the galaxy. And I know my Shepard survived.....that's really all I need to know, considering I already know what everybody plans on doing after the war, now there's nothing left to do but follow through with those plans....

Okay, so where is your Shepard in the ending? Citadel or Earth?

Also, there's no perfectably good reason why they couldn't show a picture of Shepard getting rescued initially and/or sent to hospital. As you could still headcanon what you just described as your ending.

True?

[Iakus]

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?

How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.

Said it yourself in your signature

My signature is a knock on the breath scene.  When Shepard dies, we get to watch him burn, electrocute, or dissolve in space magic  (and now, get to stand there and watch the galaxy die)  But living Shepards get a faceless torso buried in rubble that takes one breath.  An easter egg, not an ending.

 Dead Shepards are dead.  Live Shepards are maybe alive, we'll let you headcanon it yourself

Imagination is one thing, but I didn't buy a game just so I could make up whether Shepard lives or dies.  Especially since it's pretty clear Bioware wanted SHepard dead for their own reasons anyway.

Next time they should talk to the DAO writers and asked them how they handled the ending.

Modifié par iakus, 12 août 2012 - 07:35 .

[gorezeelar]

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?

How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.

Said it yourself in your signature

My signature is a knock on the breath scene.  When Shepard dies, we get to watch him burn, electrocute, or dissolve in space magic  (and now, get to stand there and watch the galaxy die)  But living Shepards get a faceless torso buried in rubble that takes one breath.  An easter egg, not an ending.

 Dead Shepards are dead.  Live Shepards are maybe alive, we'll let you headcanon it yourself

Imagination is one thing, but I didn't buy a game just so I could make up whether Shepard lives or dies.  Especially since it's pretty clear Bioware wanted SHepard dead for their own reasons anyway.

Next time they should talk to the DAO writers and asked them how they handled the ending.

So if Shepard turns out to be alive in that last scene, you would like something like a reunion scene? Where Shepard is praise as hero and live happily ever after? Maybe one day I can CGI something out for ya

In the meantime. I'm going to replay ME3 because for other things rather than the endings. 

[LilLino]

It's an end to the story anyway, but yeah they should have expanded upon breathing scene at least a bit, but still...

Shepard lives, he's wounded on Citadel and someone will go looking for a War Hero such as he/she.

It both leaves it open for sequel or lets us imagine what his life is after the war in case they don't want to touch that character anymore. It's smart when you think about it, just the breath scene is lame.

[Jadebaby]

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?

How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.

Said it yourself in your signature

My signature is a knock on the breath scene.  When Shepard dies, we get to watch him burn, electrocute, or dissolve in space magic  (and now, get to stand there and watch the galaxy die)  But living Shepards get a faceless torso buried in rubble that takes one breath.  An easter egg, not an ending.

 Dead Shepards are dead.  Live Shepards are maybe alive, we'll let you headcanon it yourself

Imagination is one thing, but I didn't buy a game just so I could make up whether Shepard lives or dies.  Especially since it's pretty clear Bioware wanted SHepard dead for their own reasons anyway.

Next time they should talk to the DAO writers and asked them how they handled the ending.

So if Shepard turns out to be alive in that last scene, you would like something like a reunion scene? Where Shepard is praise as hero and live happily ever after? Maybe one day I can CGI something out for ya

In the meantime. I'm going to replay ME3 because for other things rather than the endings. 

not all Shepard's will live 'happily ever after' just because they survived in Destroy ending. A lot will be forever emotionally scarred that they sacrificed an entire race to get the job done. That weighs on your conscious.

[LiarasShield]

Um since shepard has accomplished the impossiable before both in mass effect 1 and 2 I don't think it is totally unheard of shepard actually survivng and he or she help rebuilds the galaxy with the other races

[Delaney]

Baa Baa wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)

SO.MUCH.****ING.WIN!

This ... I remember what Ashley told me: I lost you. That's not happening again.
Thanks BW for the possibility that exactly this won't happen AGAIN.

[Mcfly616]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I already know what my Shepard does.....he gets rescued, the Normandy lands in Rio, and Shep and Co. party the night away on the Copa Cabana. Kasumi is buying the shots, Jacob and Garrus are the first ones to the bar.....my Shepard arrives fashionably late with Liara in tow (cuz he just got done knocking her up).....

I don't need a picture to illustrate it for me....besides, they probably would've got it wrong.....

As with anything, its in the eye of the beholder

I got "proper" closure. I got a sweet sci fi ending. I got to see the impact my decisions had on the galaxy. And I know my Shepard survived.....that's really all I need to know, considering I already know what everybody plans on doing after the war, now there's nothing left to do but follow through with those plans....

Okay, so where is your Shepard in the ending? Citadel or Earth?

Also, there's no perfectably good reason why they couldn't show a picture of Shepard getting rescued initially and/or sent to hospital. As you could still headcanon what you just described as your ending.

True?

he's obviously on the Citadel....he obviously survived the explosions "somehow"(yeah yeah, i know.....but I've seen way crazier things in sci fi)

Personally, I would definitely NOT want a "hospital" scene.....

I wouldn't have minded a "rescue scene".....just so long as it wasnt too lengthy....a simple scene of a squadmate reaching down and pulling Shep from the rubble.....that would be cool.....though, I basically get the same closure from that sort of scene as I do from the "breathe" scene.....bottom line is: Shepard is alive......and we know damn well, his crew isn't just going to write him off and leave him there......

So, while a rescue scene would be nice and appreciated, I don't "need" it, since the point has already been made that he survived..... but I definitely do not want a "reunion" scene (I wouldn't even be able to take it seriously)

[Iakus]

gorezeelar wrote...

So if Shepard turns out to be alive in that last scene, you would like something like a reunion scene? Where Shepard is praise as hero and live happily ever after? Maybe one day I can CGI something out for ya

In the meantime. I'm going to replay ME3 because for other things rather than the endings. 

That would be ideal, but not necessary. no.

What I wanted was absolute confirmation that Shepard will live and will see his friends/loved ones again.  Not hints.  Not implications.  Confirmation.  And that could have taken many forms, from the actual reunion to simply showing rescue workers finding Shepard (remember Mass Effect 1?)

My Shepard already died on Ash once.  Leaving the ending the way it did was not uplifting, it was cruel.

[Iakus]

Delaney wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

Martyrdom is such a trite cliché: it's the tragic equivalent to a Disney ending, and so overused as to be almost unbearable. (Not to mention that it does not fit the trilogy as a whole, specifically if your Shepard's story involves a romance sub-plot that has focused on one partner already losing Shepard once, and being barely able to open up again because they've already gone through all the stages of grief and loss.)

SO.MUCH.****ING.WIN!

This ... I remember what Ashley told me: I lost you. That's not happening again.
Thanks BW for the possibility that exactly this won't happen AGAIN.

Yeah add my name to the "this" list too.  These endings were not thought out at all.

Modifié par iakus, 12 août 2012 - 07:56 .

[gorezeelar]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?

How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.

Said it yourself in your signature

My signature is a knock on the breath scene.  When Shepard dies, we get to watch him burn, electrocute, or dissolve in space magic  (and now, get to stand there and watch the galaxy die)  But living Shepards get a faceless torso buried in rubble that takes one breath.  An easter egg, not an ending.

 Dead Shepards are dead.  Live Shepards are maybe alive, we'll let you headcanon it yourself

Imagination is one thing, but I didn't buy a game just so I could make up whether Shepard lives or dies.  Especially since it's pretty clear Bioware wanted SHepard dead for their own reasons anyway.

Next time they should talk to the DAO writers and asked them how they handled the ending.

So if Shepard turns out to be alive in that last scene, you would like something like a reunion scene? Where Shepard is praise as hero and live happily ever after? Maybe one day I can CGI something out for ya

In the meantime. I'm going to replay ME3 because for other things rather than the endings. 

not all Shepard's will live 'happily ever after' just because they survived in Destroy ending. A lot will be forever emotionally scarred that they sacrificed an entire race to get the job done. That weighs on your conscious.

Not if you've already kill them on Rannoch, or if you just don't give a damn because you're a Renegade. Then you will live the rest of your life on a Carribbean island as a rich grumpy military hard-ass old man chomping on cigars who occasionally shoot elephants for fun with a machine gun. 

Not to mention his colorful collection of geth-head desk lamps and a legion of FULLY SENTIENCE robotic slaves. And when he finally dies, a thousand asari maiden would be buried alive to serve him in the afterlife.

[Wattamelun]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Did you actually buy this game expecting Shepard to come out of it alive? Did a generation of sci-fy and triquel teach you anything?

I expected the option, yes.

This isn't because I didn't think ME was dark, but because a theme was set that there was always a light in the darkness, there was always a way out.

Also because of the strong focus on friendship, relationships and bonds in general.

Yeah having a protagonist sacrifice themself can make an ending really memorable (FFVII Crisis Core, for example). But given the level of investment with people who have poured countless hours into these games, and just the general theme of overcoming insurmountable odds, it would have been really nice to at least have the option of a satisfying happy ending.

[Mcfly616]

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

[LilLino]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

Exactly, someone with whom I agree 100%.
 Plus, as I've stated million times already, it lets them do a sequel, if they wish one day.
The scene just could have been expanded upon a bit in EC, but it's fine.

[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

Um since shepard has accomplished the impossiable before both in mass effect 1 and 2 I don't think it is totally unheard of shepard actually survivng and he or she help rebuilds the galaxy with the other races

based off of EMS and part big choices

[chemiclord]

"I'm never going to stop asking this question."

And Bioware is never going to start answering you.

Congratulations on being stubborn? I guess?

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

Except we aren't (or i wasnt') given enough to establish that ending.  

Compare it to the ending of ME1.  Shepard's alive.  Wounded, but alive.  He's ambulatory, there's a rescue team there.  The possibilities that follow are endless but optimistsic.  If ME3 ended that way, I'd have no problem thinking Shepard spent the rest of his days in comfort, busilly giving General WIlliams great-grandchildren.

ME3's is filled with uncertainty, but not the optimistic kind.  Shepard's not moving.  He's alone, there's no indication there's any help nearby.   He's clearly wounded, we can't even see his face.  We see one breath, and one breath only.  That's "hopeful"?

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

Except we aren't (or i wasnt') given enough to establish that ending.  

Compare it to the ending of ME1.  Shepard's alive.  Wounded, but alive.  He's ambulatory, there's a rescue team there.  The possibilities that follow are endless but optimistsic.  If ME3 ended that way, I'd have no problem thinking Shepard spent the rest of his days in comfort, busilly giving General WIlliams great-grandchildren.

ME3's is filled with uncertainty, but not the optimistic kind.  Shepard's not moving.  He's alone, there's no indication there's any help nearby.   He's clearly wounded, we can't even see his face.  We see one breath, and one breath only.  That's "hopeful"?

It is hopeful. He "inhales"....takes air in, not out.....it means he came to, he survived.....I understand your distaste with the ambiguity of the scene.....but that's when it just comes down to plain and simple logic on the real world level......

Bioware put the breathe scene in to signify Shepards survival. They made it ambiguous because they wanted you to make up your own scenario for the rest of his life.....not because they wanted to confuse you into thinking it was a "last breath"

The Breathe Scene = Shepard Lives......it signifies his survival.

They didn't throw the scene in there to make you wonder....they didnt include that scene in just 1 of 4 endings, just to say "yeah this is his last breath....now he's dead".......they didn't throw it in because they thought the ending was a little too bleak.....they wouldn't waste the time and resources just to put to put a nail in the coffin....

People just really need to stop debating the context of the breathe scene.....whether you like the scene or hate it, it concretely means Shepard survived....not for a second....not for one more breath.....no, He Lives On....to grow old or whatever you want....

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

Modifié par Mcfly616, 12 août 2012 - 08:32 .

[darthoptimus003]

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

iakus wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Shepard dies a hero protecting the galaxy. I don't see any better ending to his story. Unless you choose synthesis and control then you might end up feeling dissatisfy.

I got to ask... If BW release ME4, with or without Shepard, using Destroy as canon. What would you synthesizer and controller feel?

How about living in the galaxy he helped protect?  I see that as a much better ending.  

But that's just me.  And silly, me I expected that to be an option.  Not an easter egg.

Said it yourself in your signature

My signature is a knock on the breath scene.  When Shepard dies, we get to watch him burn, electrocute, or dissolve in space magic  (and now, get to stand there and watch the galaxy die)  But living Shepards get a faceless torso buried in rubble that takes one breath.  An easter egg, not an ending.

 Dead Shepards are dead.  Live Shepards are maybe alive, we'll let you headcanon it yourself

Imagination is one thing, but I didn't buy a game just so I could make up whether Shepard lives or dies.  Especially since it's pretty clear Bioware wanted SHepard dead for their own reasons anyway.

Next time they should talk to the DAO writers and asked them how they handled the ending.

agreed i didnt spend money to head canon my shep either
thats the problem people are getting screwed in this and BW doesnt care

[Robhuzz]

MattFini wrote...

There's really no question that the little "Shepard lives" easter egg is a bit of a cop-out.

BioWare likely didn't want to make Destroy *THE* option in the eyes of everybody - which would've happened if it ended with Shepard coming back, reuniting with everyone a la Return of the Jedi.

It's an unfortunate treatment of this character, that's for sure.

The old BioWare that was untainted by EA did exactly that with DAO. They make no secret of it that the Dark Ritual ending (aka Warden survives) is the canon ending, yet the ultimate sacrifice ending is still in there and many people pick that option even though there's a very viable way to survive.

They should've just added a proper Shepard lives ending and allow the fans to choose which ending to strive for. Not adding something because it would become the 'popular choice that almost everyone would choose' is totally ridiculous in my opinion. But then a lot of ridiculous things have happened to BioWare games lately...

[darthoptimus003]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

Except we aren't (or i wasnt') given enough to establish that ending.  

Compare it to the ending of ME1.  Shepard's alive.  Wounded, but alive.  He's ambulatory, there's a rescue team there.  The possibilities that follow are endless but optimistsic.  If ME3 ended that way, I'd have no problem thinking Shepard spent the rest of his days in comfort, busilly giving General WIlliams great-grandchildren.

ME3's is filled with uncertainty, but not the optimistic kind.  Shepard's not moving.  He's alone, there's no indication there's any help nearby.   He's clearly wounded, we can't even see his face.  We see one breath, and one breath only.  That's "hopeful"?

It is hopeful. He "inhales"....takes air in, not out.....it means he came to, he survived.....I understand your distaste with the ambiguity of the scene.....but that's when it just comes down to plain and simple logic on the real world level......

Bioware put the breathe scene in to signify Shepards survival. They made it ambiguous because they wanted you to make up your own scenario for the rest of his life.....not because they wanted to confuse you into thinking it was a "last breath"

The Breathe Scene = Shepard Lives......it signifies his survival.

They didn't throw the scene in there to make you wonder....they didnt include that scene in just 1 of 4 endings, just to say "yeah this is his last breath....now he's dead".......they didn't throw it in because they thought the ending was a little too bleak.....they wouldn't waste the time and resources just to put to put a nail in the coffin....

People just really need to stop debating the context of the breathe scene.....whether you like the scene or hate it, it concretely means Shepard survived....not for a second....not for one more breath.....no, He Lives On....to grow old or whatever you want....

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

accually a dev said he dies with that breath another said he lives
they dont know and it pisses me off that we even got this bulls*** finish the damn story and finish it the right way