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[Essalor]

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

Strategy guides, books, articles, they are not the GAME. It's like saying that the plot of Phantom Menace makes sense if you read the books.
What matters it that you know you totally die in Synthesis, your body dies in Control, but you have an easter egg in Destroy with high EMS. If it's too subtle and ambiguous that it can be interpreted either way, it's not a definite answer, because some strategy guide says so. If they really wanted to make the point, they would've made a better, more affirming scene.

[3DandBeyond]

I did post one possible way they could fix this in my opinion. It's unlikely but it's a thought. I think they might be using DLC to work toward a real Destroy ending that could lead to an ME4 (not with Shepard but with the galaxy intact). Shepard could live or die in it based on decisions and all but it would make new stories after the fact, possible.

http://social.biowar...ndex/13637898/1

I do think logic might best be served here. Logically Bioware could have foreseen this as a problem. Fans playing games do want a "win" scenario. You don't play to lose. ME1 and 2 set the bar for ME game endings-Shepard the hero survives and rises up "From the Ashes", always before.

So I don't assume Bioware suddenly dropped their brains and couldn't find them. Yes, ME3 has some other issues, but those would have been ignored if all logical fan types were represented.

They had to know that many fans wanted a Shepard lives ending. With the EC they did know it. So, if you think they still have some grey matter up top, you have to conclude one of 2 things. They purposely wanted to ****** off a huge group of fans or they did it for some other reason.

The torso ending is a classic cliff hanger. Their reasons for it being there are really not very good reasons. They come off as kids caught with their hand in the cookie jar. I'm not saying it proves my theory because they could have become ignorant or they could just have decided they wanted to ****** people off. I am really hoping my theory has at least some merit though.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 12 août 2012 - 08:47 .

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...
 It is hopeful. He "inhales"....takes air in, not out.....it means he came to, he survived.....I understand your distaste with the ambiguity of the scene.....but that's when it just comes down to plain and simple logic on the real world level......

Bioware put the breathe scene in to signify Shepards survival. They made it ambiguous because they wanted you to make up your own scenario for the rest of his life.....not because they wanted to confuse you into thinking it was a "last breath"

Mor ethan one quote states otherwise on that whole "last breath" thing.

And even if that was trolling, the fact that it could be so easilly interpreted as a last breath states right there that Bioware screwed up the scene.

The Breathe Scene = Shepard Lives......it signifies his survival.

They didn't throw the scene in there to make you wonder....they didnt include that scene in just 1 of 4 endings, just to say "yeah this is his last breath....now he's dead".......they didn't throw it in because they thought the ending was a little too bleak.....they wouldn't waste the time and resources just to put to put a nail in the coffin....

Actually, one of the devs at Comicon said the scene was put inthere specifically because they were afraid the endings were too bleak and wanted to provide "a ray of hope"  Not to say "Shepard lives", but that there was hope that Shepard lives.  It was, in fact, deliberately ambiguous.

And that sucks.

People just really need to stop debating the context of the breathe scene.....whether you like the scene or hate it, it concretely means Shepard survived....not for a second....not for one more breath.....no, He Lives On....to grow old or whatever you want....

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

If they wanted to be plain about it, they could have done so without spelling out how Shepard spends teh rest of his life.  But they didn't.  They didn't want to commit to a living Shepard.  Thus the ambiguous breath scene.  And the half dozen unambiguous death scenes.

[Jadebaby]

C'mon people, this isn't some stand alone game where we only played as the protagonist for a couple of hours (AKA I Am Alive).

This is Shepard! And ME3 was meant to be the end of Shepard's story! For that to end on an 'implication' is down right insulting to the trust we put into BioWare to tell Shepard's story. And just because they didn't want to ruin too much for people to headcanon what Shepard does if s/he survives, DOES NOT mean that they couldn't at least SHOW Shepard being rescued.

And a reunion scene doesn't have to be corny or anything, done in the right way, it could very well work.

[Mcfly616]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

Except we aren't (or i wasnt') given enough to establish that ending.  

Compare it to the ending of ME1.  Shepard's alive.  Wounded, but alive.  He's ambulatory, there's a rescue team there.  The possibilities that follow are endless but optimistsic.  If ME3 ended that way, I'd have no problem thinking Shepard spent the rest of his days in comfort, busilly giving General WIlliams great-grandchildren.

ME3's is filled with uncertainty, but not the optimistic kind.  Shepard's not moving.  He's alone, there's no indication there's any help nearby.   He's clearly wounded, we can't even see his face.  We see one breath, and one breath only.  That's "hopeful"?

It is hopeful. He "inhales"....takes air in, not out.....it means he came to, he survived.....I understand your distaste with the ambiguity of the scene.....but that's when it just comes down to plain and simple logic on the real world level......

Bioware put the breathe scene in to signify Shepards survival. They made it ambiguous because they wanted you to make up your own scenario for the rest of his life.....not because they wanted to confuse you into thinking it was a "last breath"

The Breathe Scene = Shepard Lives......it signifies his survival.

They didn't throw the scene in there to make you wonder....they didnt include that scene in just 1 of 4 endings, just to say "yeah this is his last breath....now he's dead".......they didn't throw it in because they thought the ending was a little too bleak.....they wouldn't waste the time and resources just to put to put a nail in the coffin....

People just really need to stop debating the context of the breathe scene.....whether you like the scene or hate it, it concretely means Shepard survived....not for a second....not for one more breath.....no, He Lives On....to grow old or whatever you want....

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

accually a dev said he dies with that breath another said he lives
they dont know and it pisses me off that we even got this bulls*** finish the damn story and finish it the right way

no....the Bioware employee that said "last breath", was not a Dev.....hes a nobody....he's some guy that has no input on the story, nor does he know the ins and outs of what the intentions specific scenes are......he's just some employee that was willing to out himself at the mercy of some mob at some convention panel....because we all know Casey and Mac arent getting up there......

Written in ink, mass produced and shipped world wide > some unknown nobody employee

I'm gonna go with common sense on this one.....you know, the whole fact that its a scene in one ending (which definitely wasn't put in just to say "in case you didn't think he died, YUP he died")...sorry, only a moron would come to such a conclusion (especially after altered Memorial scene.....like.. Damme, take hint people lol its actually kinda funny)

Modifié par Mcfly616, 12 août 2012 - 08:59 .

[Jadebaby]

Essalor wrote...

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

Strategy guides, books, articles, they are not the GAME. It's like saying that the plot of Phantom Menace makes sense if you read the books.
What matters it that you know you totally die in Synthesis, your body dies in Control, but you have an easter egg in Destroy with high EMS. If it's too subtle and ambiguous that it can be interpreted either way, it's not a definite answer, because some strategy guide says so. If they really wanted to make the point, they would've made a better, more affirming scene.

Exactly, my strategy guide doesn't tell me how much EMS I need for the Refuse ending, some strategy guide, right?

[SpamBot2000]

Well, the BW employee who did the "last breath" gag at SDCC was in fact a writer, Chris Hepler.

[Mcfly616]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, the BW employee who did the "last breath" gag at SDCC was in fact a writer, Chris Hepler.

bro, I saw the panel. They guy got asked a question about it being a "last breath" and he basically responded to the question.....and EVERYBODY blew up.....when all he basically said was that sure it "could" be.....and then everybody took it out of crazy context.....

Seriously....the high EMS destroy ending is whatever you want it to be......he positively dies in the other endings.....if you want to believe that Bioware threw in a scene just to drive the point home and show you your Shepards last breath....more power to you bro

My Shepard lived......logically

[Delaney]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Essalor wrote...

"Shepard Lives"......says it right there in the strategy guide

Strategy guides, books, articles, they are not the GAME. It's like saying that the plot of Phantom Menace makes sense if you read the books.
What matters it that you know you totally die in Synthesis, your body dies in Control, but you have an easter egg in Destroy with high EMS. If it's too subtle and ambiguous that it can be interpreted either way, it's not a definite answer, because some strategy guide says so. If they really wanted to make the point, they would've made a better, more affirming scene.

Exactly, my strategy guide doesn't tell me how much EMS I need for the Refuse ending, some strategy guide, right?

Cool ending for a trilogy, right? 

For further information please take a look into the stratagy guide. If you need further help you can also use twitter-codex. And if you are still not happy enough take a look into the files of your game - there should be a "Shepard lives/dies/breathes" or a "Space magic" file somewhere - or simply use your imagination. And remember: Shepard has definitely become a legend! You can continue to build that legend through buying further DLC. Thank you for your feedback!

Right.

[Mr.House]

All Bioware needed to do was have your LI, Joker or someone close to Shepard yell Shepards name before she/he breaths. Extremely simple, but noooooo.

[NexusIsaac]

I see the breathe scene as a middlefinger. The end of a trilogy, and she/he *might* survive.

[Jadebaby]

Mr.House wrote...

All Bioware needed to do was have your LI, Joker or someone close to Shepard yell Shepards name before she/he breaths. Extremely simple, but noooooo.

And add ANOTHER plothole?

Good idea, but noooooo

[Jadebaby]

NexusIsaac wrote...

I see the breathe scene as a middlefinger. The end of a trilogy, and she/he *might* survive.

I see all the endings as a middle finger, no wait. I see them as ripping out my heart and then ****ing it with their middle finger.

The level of trust I had in BioWare to allow myself to be completely immersed in their games was totally betrayed in those endings, every.single.one....

So far..

[Jadebaby]

Mcfly616 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, the BW employee who did the "last breath" gag at SDCC was in fact a writer, Chris Hepler.

bro, I saw the panel. They guy got asked a question about it being a "last breath" and he basically responded to the question.....and EVERYBODY blew up.....when all he basically said was that sure it "could" be.....and then everybody took it out of crazy context.....

Seriously....the high EMS destroy ending is whatever you want it to be......he positively dies in the other endings.....if you want to believe that Bioware threw in a scene just to drive the point home and show you your Shepards last breath....more power to you bro

My Shepard lived......logically

he isn't some nobody employee, if you indeed watched the video you'd know he wrote Thane, and two other characters I believe.

Also, I'm okay with you voicing your opinion and all, and I respect your right to believe what you wish...

But, logically? c'mon....

[LiarasShield]

Never forget the blue children! Also have a good day jade

[Jadebaby]

LiarasShield wrote...

Never forget the blue children! Also have a good day jade

I will never forget the blue children, I can't bring myself to even do my Kaidan playthrough. Once you go blue, you'll be stuck like glue...

Plus.. You know, there's that whole problem about replayability.

But thank you, it's 7:44am and I didn't sleep last night, but you have a good day also!

[Conniving_Eagle]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Never forget the blue children! Also have a good day jade

I will never forget the blue children, I can't bring myself to even do my Kaidan playthrough. Once you go blue, nothing else will do!

Plus.. You know, there's that whole problem about replayability.

But thank you, it's 7:44am and I didn't sleep last night, but you have a good day also!

Messed up sleep schedule, too? I managed to fix mine a few days ago.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 12 août 2012 - 09:49 .

[Jadebaby]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Never forget the blue children! Also have a good day jade

I will never forget the blue children, I can't bring myself to even do my Kaidan playthrough. Once you go blue, nothing else will do!

Plus.. You know, there's that whole problem about replayability.

But thank you, it's 7:44am and I didn't sleep last night, but you have a good day also!

Messed up sleep schedule, too? I managed to fix mine a few days ago.

so did I, hahaha, oh weekend Mass Effect depression. half a year on, you'd think it'd go away.

btw, do you play on xbox or PC?

[LiarasShield]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Never forget the blue children! Also have a good day jade

I will never forget the blue children, I can't bring myself to even do my Kaidan playthrough. Once you go blue, nothing else will do!

Plus.. You know, there's that whole problem about replayability.

But thank you, it's 7:44am and I didn't sleep last night, but you have a good day also!

Messed up sleep schedule, too? I managed to fix mine a few days ago.

so did I, hahaha, oh weekend Mass Effect depression. half a year on, you'd think it'd go away.

btw, do you play on xbox or PC?

If only someone could make a blue childrens ending where either shepard could end up with liara and help her rebuild thessia and have the blue kids I'd definitly would like to get the coding to put it into my own game

Modifié par LiarasShield, 12 août 2012 - 10:03 .

[alienatedflea]

whiners will whine... /sigh

[Jadebaby]

LiarasShield wrote...


If only someone could make a blue childrens ending where either shepard could end up with liara and help her rebuild thessia and have the blue kids I'd definitly would like to get the coding to put it into my own game

I do think that if they ever showed the relationships future,

Liara's theme would be the blue children.

Garrus' would be adopting a baby krogan

Tali's would be helping her build her house at that spot she called.

I can't speak for the rest of the romances....

But that's just it, they say they don't want to 'spoil' what some people might like to headcanon, but they have already laid the groundwork for what 'could' happen, that it kind of makes that quote just a cop out.

[chemiclord]

Hepler trolled all the ****nuts who demand to have their hand held through every step of what said fans CLAIMED was "our story too!"  He finally threw up his hands, and said, "Fine.  You ****s WANT to be miserable?  Fine.  He's dead.  Go be miserable.  We're done trying to convince you otherwise."

Since you refuse to take the prompt, you are agreeing it is actually NOT your story after all.  You're just bitter whiners who want Bioware to tell THEIR story the way YOU want it, or you're going to be pissed off and **** for months on end.  Well, too bad.  That's not how it works.  Deal with it.
  
In short: cry some more. Your bitter tears sustain me.

Modifié par chemiclord, 12 août 2012 - 10:33 .

[F4H bandicoot]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


If only someone could make a blue childrens ending where either shepard could end up with liara and help her rebuild thessia and have the blue kids I'd definitly would like to get the coding to put it into my own game

I do think that if they ever showed the relationships future,

Liara's theme would be the blue children.

Garrus' would be adopting a baby krogan

Tali's would be helping her build her house at that spot she called.

I can't speak for the rest of the romances....

But that's just it, they say they don't want to 'spoil' what some people might like to headcanon, but they have already laid the groundwork for what 'could' happen, that it kind of makes that quote just a cop out.

This was what I was actually expecting.

[Jadebaby]

@ chemiclord, reported.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Never forget the blue children! Also have a good day jade

I will never forget the blue children, I can't bring myself to even do my Kaidan playthrough. Once you go blue, nothing else will do!

Plus.. You know, there's that whole problem about replayability.

But thank you, it's 7:44am and I didn't sleep last night, but you have a good day also!

Messed up sleep schedule, too? I managed to fix mine a few days ago.

so did I, hahaha, oh weekend Mass Effect depression. half a year on, you'd think it'd go away.

btw, do you play on xbox or PC?

I play on Xbox, though I'm hoping to transition to PC gaming a year or two down the road. Though you and I are 13 hours apart or something, depending on whichever UTC you are. I live in East US.