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[Nightwriter]

Ah okay I completely misunderstood. I thought "passion" was referring to the writers' "art." As in "shame on you for bashing BioWare's passion."

And they want us to speculate about Omega and Leviathan and other stuff they deem acceptable areas of interest. I really don't think they want us to chew over the ending issue anymore.

[V-rcingetorix]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone's out to get you.

Idk if BW has an ace up their sleeve. I hope so; some days I think they have a few brains that see how much money they could make on a better ending. Other days I tend to think BW doesn't care. I hope they do (selfish I suppose, but there you are).

[Jadebaby]

lol did you even notice I'm the OP of this thread?

I suppose that could be true, I guess a good question to ask would be "is speculation over the endings still needed?"

[ZajoE38]

He survived.. what more do you want?

[Nightwriter]

ZajoE38 wrote...

He survived.. what more do you want?

EDI and the geth alive.

[ZajoE38]

EDI is just one person.. I a war, people die - EDI is casualty, just like Mordin. And what is so special about the Geth? Batarians were wiped out and you miss the flashlight people?

[Nightwriter]

I didn't invest a huge achievement in the batarians, no robot buddy of mine sacrificed himself to give them true individual sentience, I didn't like them as much to begin with, the necessity of their demise was better written, and none of them had to die simply because I chose to live.

EDI is a great character and I resent her dying just for the sake of a token sacrifice. If it had been done as well as Legion, Mordin, or Thane's death I'd feel differently.

[Alankpb]

ZajoE38 wrote...

EDI is just one person.. I a war, people die - EDI is casualty, just like Mordin. And what is so special about the Geth? Batarians were wiped out and you miss the flashlight people?

Because of attachments on edi as a charactor and thinking about how her and joker could have been together + if u watch the sinthisis ending the look on her face and the way she hugs your love intrest makes it more sad to know you killed her when you picked "Destroy"-(The right choice) hahah. and as for the geth its also sad partly due to legions sacrafice to make all the geth indviduals and how he asked tali if he has a soul and they were basicly like any other race in the galaxy and i concider them alive like everyone else so it was basicly commiting genocide I understand your point in war casulties but that doesen't change the fact that it is sad and dissapointing that they had to die. And its not just like Mordin he willingly went and sacraficed himself. and the batarians were not compleatly wiped out there were leftovers and they could rebuild and repopulate. I was dissapointed at the end and frankly i think the "catalist" may be mentally retarded it could have effictivly just called off the attack or let you destroy the reapers without them attacking back or had them kill each other (which would have been funny). but asside from that there could have been so many ways to end the series and it also left me with the fact that none of my choices in any of the games really matterd in the end and what the heck was the point of making peace between geth and quarians anyway then because u effictivly kill them in the end anyway. 

[Jadebaby]

ZajoE38 wrote...

He survived.. what more do you want?

proof.

[Jadebaby]

Nightwriter wrote...

I didn't invest a huge achievement in the batarians, no robot buddy of mine sacrificed himself to give them true individual sentience, I didn't like them as much to begin with, the necessity of their demise was better written, and none of them had to die simply because I chose to live.

EDI is a great character and I resent her dying just for the sake of a token sacrifice. If it had been done as well as Legion, Mordin, or Thane's death I'd feel differently.

Plus, Batarians being wiped out was a neccessity, what you think we could have just faught marauders and husks the entire game?

More Reaper ground troops > Survival of independant slaving race.

[Jassu1979]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

You know, I can kind of see where you're coming from here, but I still think the "breathe"-scene does not cut it. (Not to mention that it does not make any sense to place it at the very end of the epilogue in the EC, both in terms of temporal continuity and narrative consistency.)

The problem is not so much that they do not show the actual reunion, or what Shepard's life looks like in the future. I agree that all of these are better left to the imagination, providing each player to make it as Disney-ish or as realistic as they like.

The problem is that they do not even commit to actually showing Shepard surviving, or being found.

Drawing a single breath in a pile of rubble after walking straight into an explosion (and suffering from grievous injuries before that as well) can only count as the very faintest ray of hope - definitely not enough to even qualify as "bittersweet".

The thing is: it'd take SO little to fix this scene. 

The sound of footsteps and debris being moved in the background, with someone shouting: "Admiral, we've found her! She's alive!"
ANYTHING to suggest that this is not just a dying person waking up one last time to perish from her injuries before any help can arrive.

[Jadebaby]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I think the majority of people dislike the "breathe" scene, for the same reason I like it.....


For me, Bioware gave me closure to everything I needed to know.....the state of the galaxy, the new future I provided for it, the fate of the Reapers and my squad.........and they left my Shepards future, up to interpretation/imagination (just the right amount)

Basically, if your Shepard lived, the future is yours. Your Shepard winds up exactly how you want, lives out the rest of his/her days however you see it.....and that's the beauty in it.....you are Shepard.....I don't want Bioware telling me or showing me how my Shepard lived. I know he survived. So I know how he'll live from here on out

Everything relevant to the "big picture"(the fate of the galaxy), is given closure......Shepards life after the war is our story to tell(if your Shepard survived, that is lol)

You know, I can kind of see where you're coming from here, but I still think the "breathe"-scene does not cut it. (Not to mention that it does not make any sense to place it at the very end of the epilogue in the EC, both in terms of temporal continuity and narrative consistency.)

The problem is not so much that they do not show the actual reunion, or what Shepard's life looks like in the future. I agree that all of these are better left to the imagination, providing each player to make it as Disney-ish or as realistic as they like.

The problem is that they do not even commit to actually showing Shepard surviving, or being found.

Drawing a single breath in a pile of rubble after walking straight into an explosion (and suffering from grievous injuries before that as well) can only count as the very faintest ray of hope - definitely not enough to even qualify as "bittersweet".

The thing is: it'd take SO little to fix this scene. 

The sound of footsteps and debris being moved in the background, with someone shouting: "Admiral, we've found her! She's alive!"
ANYTHING to suggest that this is not just a dying person waking up one last time to perish from her injuries before any help can arrive.

EXACTLY!

Plus, when people can already choose destroy and still have their Shepard's die, it doesn't make sense to have to then make the breath scene ambiguous.

[Delaney]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

talking to people who think we should move on.

I can't, i love Mass Effect, gaming is one of my biggest passions and ME was number 1 always.

If anything, the fact that they're saying they wont address the endings, makes me want to be here even more, to keep raising that awareness.

Regardless of all things recently. All BioWare's quotes etc.. make me believe they are still hiding something..

I mean, isn't speculation completey fruitless if there's nothing to speculate for?

Exactly this! It's not only about ME3 anymore ... Do you remember why ME3 has a 3 behind ME ... because it's a PART of a TRILOGY (and should have been THE part of the trilogy IMO). In fact, I am not complaining about ME3's ending - no, I am complaining because ME as a whole is destroyed by this ending - by the lack of closure, choice ... I am complaining because I care about ME! not only about ME1, ME2, ME3 ... I care about ME!

After 4, 5 years of playing through ME ... Shepard deserves better than death ... death ... "now it's your turn! please imagine the rest!" ME deserves better. Everyone who played through ME and really cared about what happened there ... everyone who ... well, invested more than just time in this series should understand what I try to explain here.

Imagine! --- No? Then just move on!
That's just not possible! And ...  Yes, it's also not fair - for those who love ME, for Shepard, for his friends and crew ... for ME in general! ME should have never ended with "just moving on".

[KiwiQuiche]

Just Bioware trying to be all mysterious and failing.

Again.

[Pitznik]

From narrative point of view there is really only one way to interpret a scene of character presumed dead suddenly drawing breath.

[RiouHotaru]

Pitznik wrote...

From narrative point of view there is really only one way to interpret a scene of character presumed dead suddenly drawing breath.

This.  And Bioware outright stated there is no "canon ending", and that you can make of the breath scene as you will.

If you want your Shepard to LIVE, then the breath scene is them being alive, and they are rescued.

If you want your Shepard to DIE, then it's a last gasp.

Pick for yourself.  Don't keep demanding Bioware to provide you all the answers.

[Jadebaby]

Doesn't mean Shep survives. When we're taught to believe everything we are SHOWN in the 100+ hours that come before, to IMAGINE the survival, is just down-right disgraceful.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


So why doesn't Shepard (after 5 long years!) receive proper closure in the destroy ending?

Proper closure =/= art

PS: I hope you have realized from my posts that I'm as upset as everyone else about this.

Even if I didn't, you said the "A" word. Anytime one mentions that, everything else in their post is automatically reduced to sarcasm.

Ah, I understand. Sorry. The "A" word is out of anger because it makes a mockery out of  art.

Closure to me does not look like a 1/4 second inhale. It looks more like a rescue and a reunion.

They didn't have to go into how well things will be rebuilt in the future and all that. Just that work on rebuilding will begin as soon as we attend to the humanitarian crises on the home worlds and colonies.Then go to an interactive cutscene with a retirement from the
Alliance Military and Spectres at the rank of Admiral. This happens
aboard Hackett's flagship. Shepard walks with a cane now at least
temporarily. Then departs with his/her LI on a civilian shuttle either
to earth, or to one of the allied fleet ships to travel to the system of
their choice, but that is the where the headcanon can take over. We
don't need to be specific as to destination.

This could have been done with the EC if they'd compressed the files. But Mac....

If people don't want this they don't have to gather all the resources for destroy or can choose control

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 13 août 2012 - 10:20 .

[Jadebaby]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

From narrative point of view there is really only one way to interpret a scene of character presumed dead suddenly drawing breath.

This.  And Bioware outright stated there is no "canon ending", and that you can make of the breath scene as you will.

If you want your Shepard to LIVE, then the breath scene is them being alive, and they are rescued.

If you want your Shepard to DIE, then it's a last gasp.

Pick for yourself.  Don't keep demanding Bioware to provide you all the answers.

NO..

If you want your Shepard to DIE, then make sure you're below the threshold so you just don't get the god damn ****ing breath scene!

Control = Shepard dies.
Synthesis = Shepard dies.
Destroy low EMS = implied heavily Shepard dies.

SO WHY THE **** DOES DESTROY HIGH EMS NEED TO ALSO IMPLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHEPARD LIVING?

Don't say I'm answering my OP, because the question was never whether she lives or dies, it was WHY, WHY AFTER FIVE ****ING LONG YEARS, DID THEY FEEL THIS PIECE OF SPECULATIVE BULL**** WOULD SUFFICE THEIR FANBASE!?

[Pitznik]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


SO WHY THE **** DOES DESTROY HIGH EMS NEED TO ALSO IMPLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHEPARD LIVING?

It doesn't... While it is possible to interpret this scene as last breath, it requires a great deal of negativity. With such negativity you can headcanon cancer for Shepard in ME2. It is just counter-intuitive to interpret this scene as death. You force yourself into unlikely interpretation just to be angry about it. That doesn't make any sense.

[RiouHotaru]

Pitznik wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


SO WHY THE **** DOES DESTROY HIGH EMS NEED TO ALSO IMPLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHEPARD LIVING?

It doesn't... While it is possible to interpret this scene as last breath, it requires a great deal of negativity. With such negativity you can headcanon cancer for Shepard in ME2. It is just counter-intuitive to interpret this scene as death. You force yourself into unlikely interpretation just to be angry about it. That doesn't make any sense.

This.  The attitude is how people were interpreting the pre-EC ending as "Everyone starves and dies", or "Relays explode exactly like in Arrival."

If I were a psychologist I'd hazard that this unusual need to interpret everything as negatively as possible was indicative of something.

[Jadebaby]

Pitznik wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


SO WHY THE **** DOES DESTROY HIGH EMS NEED TO ALSO IMPLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHEPARD LIVING?

It doesn't... While it is possible to interpret this scene as last breath, it requires a great deal of negativity. With such negativity you can headcanon cancer for Shepard in ME2. It is just counter-intuitive to interpret this scene as death. You force yourself into unlikely interpretation just to be angry about it. That doesn't make any sense.

omfg!

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!








This is an arguement for "HOW" Shepard survives. Go.. Counter it.

HOW, is not what I'm doing in this thread.

I AM ASKING WHY SHEPARD GOT ****ING NO CLOSURE IN DESTROY! NO ****ING LOVE!

And (ahem best child voice) "because we didn't want to ruin headcanon.." Doesn't ****ing fly, because there is a BIG ****ing difference between what they gave us and destroying headcanon! In fact, they are completely opposite ends of the Spectrum.

[RiouHotaru]

Because Shepard is the MC and the MC is a Mary-Sue? I mean c'mon, enough of Shepard was left to completely remake him/her in ME2, despite being BRAIN DEAD. Does it matter how he/she survived the blast?

[Jadebaby]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


SO WHY THE **** DOES DESTROY HIGH EMS NEED TO ALSO IMPLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHEPARD LIVING?

It doesn't... While it is possible to interpret this scene as last breath, it requires a great deal of negativity. With such negativity you can headcanon cancer for Shepard in ME2. It is just counter-intuitive to interpret this scene as death. You force yourself into unlikely interpretation just to be angry about it. That doesn't make any sense.

This.  The attitude is how people were interpreting the pre-EC ending as "Everyone starves and dies", or "Relays explode exactly like in Arrival."

If I were a psychologist I'd hazard that this unusual need to interpret everything as negatively as possible was indicative of something.

[Jadebaby]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Because Shepard is the MC and the MC is a Mary-Sue? I mean c'mon, enough of Shepard was left to completely remake him/her in ME2, despite being BRAIN DEAD. Does it matter how he/she survived the blast?

I'm sorry, but I literally cannot give you a bigger facepalm than the one I already did...

You're trolling right?

Please tell me you're trolling.....