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[clennon8]

Jonata wrote...

I was aware this topic would have been received as yet another "if you pick [x] your are [y]" thread, but this was not the case.

Just like my "Random thoughts" thread from yesterday, this was a personal rambling on the nature of the majority of gamers. It is a classic misunderstanding: I say that probably most Gamers may be Destroyers, but that does not mean that all Destroyers are Gamers.

I never once in my OP have rejected the possibility of people who chose Destroy because they believe in what the ending states, but surely the overwhelming amount of people constantly remarking how good it was to toast EDI just prove the fact that most Gamers are not people I would like to share a Saturday evening with.

I'm sure some people have said stuff about gleefully toasting EDI.  And those people would bother me if I let them.  In their rush to abhor superficiality, they have become superficial themselves.  But you didn't make a thread about people who hate EDI.  You made a thread about people who choose Destroy.  And you seem to have made the assumption that most of those people hate EDI (or the geth) and chose Destroy for that reason.  I think that is a wrong assumption.

Modifié par clennon8, 12 août 2012 - 05:47 .

[Hydralysk]

Jonata wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Uhhhhhh what posts have you been reading? Because the majority of people I've seen here liked EDI, in fact that (+ the Geth) was why most people were pissed about Destroy.

I'm afraid that creating a compendium of all the people that were saying that on these boards is not worth it, but I can assure you that I created this topic out of frustration of reading Destroyer's comments everywhere stating that they "tostated the sex bot!" or "destroyed the toasters!" inside every single thread that was about EDI or the Geth.

There is always those people who show up and flood those threads. From the threads I've seen it's usually the one or two people who just continue to argue that they're jsut machines while every other poster who just pops in for a single post is usually AI sympathetic.

[Gogzilla]

honestly, most of the comments only reinforce what the OP is saying about the people on this forum.

[Eterna]

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

[Taboo]

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

[Legion of 1337]

Jonata wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Uhhhhhh what posts have you been reading? Because the majority of people I've seen here liked EDI, in fact that (+ the Geth) was why most people were pissed about Destroy.

I'm afraid that creating a compendium of all the people that were saying that on these boards is not worth it, but I can assure you that I created this topic out of frustration of reading Destroyer's comments everywhere stating that they "tostated the sex bot!" or "destroyed the toasters!" inside every single thread that was about EDI or the Geth.

Those are trolls. We all know most people love synthetic characters.

[Wayning_Star]

This is an Age Old question.

[Eterna]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything about me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

If this was a thread about what synthesis says about players I'd probably say the same thing you did.

Modifié par Eterna5, 12 août 2012 - 05:56 .

[D24O]

OP, I say Gooby pls in many threads, it doesn't mean that phrase is super popular on the boards, just like the 2 or 3 people that hated the synthetics aren't a representative of the majority. They just post prolifically.

[Urdnot Amenark]

Pitznik wrote...

destroy = as little space magic as possible

I never had ambitions of "making the world a better place for everyone" like Miss World contestant, I just wanted everything to be normal again.

This.

[Taboo]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

[Wayning_Star]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

yes, but we don't consider the fifth choice..

(not to 'play' the game..lol)

[Eterna]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

Modifié par Eterna5, 12 août 2012 - 06:01 .

[clennon8]

Why do you think so many people are ticked off at the endings? It's because they don't trust Control and Synthesis (rightly so, imo) and they are very conflicted about Destroy.

[Tealjaker94]

It says absolutely nothing.

[Jamie9]

Not much as this forum is a small minority of the audience who actually finished Mass Effect 3.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

I'm sure that in synthesis Javik is perfectly fine and happy. Everyone else is too, appartently. It's not like their opinions matter anyway.

The Geth and EDI were prepared to die if necessary. EDI tells you that herself. Victory through sacrifice. Nobody agreed to be subjected to what synthesis does. Nobody.

[Outlawstar15a2]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything about me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

If this was a thread about what synthesis says about players I'd probably say the same thing you did.

Mm, your still a hypocrit and your making a big assumption.

First, the first half of my argument. You criticize people for commiting genocide based on principle "because it should be that way" but in life there is no higher "reason" to perform an action. Your looking for people to do something because it is either right or wrong but morality "right and wrong" are nothing more then p[rinciples society agreed upon and thrusted towards you. I mean you no disrespect but did you not do the same when you picked synthesis? Did you not pick that ending because it seemed right to you? That's what he did. He picked Destroy because to him it was the right thing to do. I picked Destroy because I felt it was the right thing to do. This part is an assumption but I think everyone here picked their ending because it was right to do so backed up by some logical self resolved arguement. For me I picked Destroy because it seemed correct and because it was what I was fighting for for three games.

My second argument. You assume everyone in your ending is happy because you saw a bunch of still slides of people jeering and smiling but it is a big assumption to makle. No where in the synthesis ending did the game say all were happy just that overall society is on the up and up and we can now commune with the Catalyst and Reapers and they are no longer fighting us. It never said everyone agreed on each side and to be honest it is very likely some organics and maybe Reapers are very angry with what happened. Perhaps with their own reasons. 

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

Yeah, I'm sure Javik will have a field day now that he's part synthetic. As is made clear, he just loves synthetics.

I'm also sure Miranda would be absolutely ecstatic Shepard enforced eugenics on everybody, knowing how adamant she is against her father's control over her own creation and her self-loathing for the control chip.

[clennon8]

What does it say about Synthesists that many of them would push the green button even if the red button had absolutely no drawbacks? I still remember that thread someone made a few weeks ago saying (slightly paraphrased) "If a Synthesis button appeared before me right now, I'd press it and you would all thank me later."

Modifié par clennon8, 12 août 2012 - 06:08 .

[Ajensis]

Jonata wrote...

I was aware this topic would have been received as yet another "if you pick [x] your are [y]" thread, but this was not the case.
(...)

It's just the easy topic to fall back on, mainly since there is absolutely nothing in your hypothesis that seems even vaguely probable. In fact, it's pretty outrageous and I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people would agree on what you said.

I'm not a violent person, in fact I've never been in a fight in my entire life or even wanted to. I see no reason to assume the same of the majority of other players that chose Destroy.

I'm pretty down-to-earth, have a weird sense of humour and like to talk about geeky stuff I dare say I'm far from the worst company in the world -- yet because Destroy is my favourite ending, you judge me to be inadequate for a Saturday evening's company? I don't even know what to say to that. Whatever floats your boat, I guess

[FFHAuthor]

Don't ask what picking the Destroy ending says about the players, ask what making the Destroy ending says about the developers.

[Eterna]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

I'm sure that in synthesis Javik is perfectly fine and happy. Everyone else is too, appartently. It's not like their opinions matter anyway.

The Geth and EDI were prepared to die if necessary. EDI tells you that herself. Victory through sacrifice. Nobody agreed to be subjected to what synthesis does. Nobody.

That's your interpretation, Synthesis never says what Happens to Javik and most people, so suggesting some people culd be unhappy is purely personal opinion, just as me saying everyone is happy is also my personal interpretation. We are both right.

 But what I do know is that you completely Blindsided the Geth and EDI who trusted you to end the threat and give them a future. Good work mighty Hero.

[Hydralysk]

Eterna5 wrote...
And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy.

So because Bioware showed some slides where everyone is getting along together under a rainbow it makes the underlying problem with forcing the entire galaxy, including pre spaceflight races, into synthesis ok? Just because Bioware tried to portray it as a Disneyesque ending doesn't mean the concept is any less reprehensible. 

In Destroy you know what you are getting, though you may hate it. In Synthesis you're asked to violate the free will of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy based on the assurance that everything will be ok given by the leader of the Hybrids that have been murdering civilizations for milions upon millions of years.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 12 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

Yeah, I'm sure Javik will have a field day now that he's part synthetic. As is made clear, he just loves synthetics.

I'm also sure Miranda would be absolutely ecstatic Shepard enforced eugenics on everybody, knowing how adamant she is against her father's control over her own creation and her self-loathing for the control chip.

Javik says he will take his own life after finishing the battle against the reapers, it doesn't really matter then does it? And Miranda would have no idea that Shepard caused Synthesis, in fact nobody would Know. They'd all just think the crucible was desinged to do it.