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[K2LU533]

Choosing destroy is the same as destroying the collector base. I couldn't allow abominations like the Reapers to live, much like I couldn't allow the collector base to survive.

[clennon8]

Just a point of clarification: Javik only says he'll take his own life if you made him use the memory shard. If you don't do that, he talks about helping Liara write a book.

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Javik says he will take his own life after finishing the battle against the reapers, it doesn't really matter then does it? And Miranda would have no idea that Shepard caused Synthesis, in fact nobody would Know. They'd all just think the crucible was desinged to do it.

It kind of does matter, especially seeing how Javik only says that if you go a certain dialogue path with him. He can also say he will write a book with Liara or live as a king among the hanar. What's your point?

Yeah, for some reason, I don't think Synthesis would tie in with the assertion of "unquantifiable levels of destruction".

[Genetic Destiny]

Warning: Eterna5's trolling.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Eterna5 wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

I'm sure that in synthesis Javik is perfectly fine and happy. Everyone else is too, appartently. It's not like their opinions matter anyway.

The Geth and EDI were prepared to die if necessary. EDI tells you that herself. Victory through sacrifice. Nobody agreed to be subjected to what synthesis does. Nobody.

That's your interpretation, Synthesis never says what Happens to Javik and most people, so suggesting some people culd be unhappy is purely personal opinion, just as me saying everyone is happy is also my personal interpretation. We are both right.

But what I do know is that you completely Blindsided the Geth and EDI who trusted you to end the threat and give them a future. Good work mighty Hero.

Really. So you're operating under the assumption that people might actually be happy with being part synthetic, but just don't know it yet? Bravo. You can headcanon everything you like, but it doesn't make it true. Everyone is subjected to syhthesis. Everyone. To argue that everyone is now happy but there was absolutely no brainwashing involved is simply ridiculous. But to each his own.

The Geth and EDI trusted me to end the threat. Exactly that. The knew full well what the consequences might be. They were ready to die that day. Everybody was ready to die that day. Victory through sacrifice. There is no easy way out. They will be mourned, and they die knowing that their death brings about the end of the greatest death the galaxy has ever seen.

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Javik says he will take his own life after finishing the battle against the reapers, it doesn't really matter then does it? And Miranda would have no idea that Shepard caused Synthesis, in fact nobody would Know. They'd all just think the crucible was desinged to do it.

It kind of does matter, especially seeing how Javik only says that if you go a certain dialogue path with him. He can also say he will write a book with Liara or live as a king among the hanar. What's your point?

Yeah, for some reason, I don't think Synthesis would tie in with the assertion of "unquantifiable levels of destruction".

If he says it in my playthrough then it's my cannon, if he says something different for you then don't pick synthesis. 

[llandwynwyn]

That they finished the mission we started in ME1.

[essarr71]

What a load of BS.

If the alternatives weren't complete garbage, less people would pick destroy. If I'm going to step in crap, I prefer the smallest pile of it.

[Eterna]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They're willing to commit Genocide based on a principle.

And you're willing to violate consent based on principle.

REAL ****ING FUNNY NOW ISN'T IT?

So? I never said anything sabout me, I know full well what I did. At least in my choice everyone is happy

Everyone looked pretty happy in Destroy as well, even though the Geth and EDI were killed.

Being happy does not mean you're free. You've forced them into said situation.

And they seem pretty happy for it. But I'm sure in your playhtough the Geth and EDi are pretty happy too.... Oh wait, you killed them all!

I'm sure that in synthesis Javik is perfectly fine and happy. Everyone else is too, appartently. It's not like their opinions matter anyway.

The Geth and EDI were prepared to die if necessary. EDI tells you that herself. Victory through sacrifice. Nobody agreed to be subjected to what synthesis does. Nobody.

That's your interpretation, Synthesis never says what Happens to Javik and most people, so suggesting some people culd be unhappy is purely personal opinion, just as me saying everyone is happy is also my personal interpretation. We are both right.

But what I do know is that you completely Blindsided the Geth and EDI who trusted you to end the threat and give them a future. Good work mighty Hero.

Really. So you're operating under the assumption that people might actually be happy with being part synthetic, but just don't know it yet? Bravo. You can headcanon everything you like, but it doesn't make it true. Everyone is subjected to syhthesis. Everyone. To argue that everyone is now happy but there was absolutely no brainwashing involved is simply ridiculous. But to each his own.

The Geth and EDI trusted me to end the threat. Exactly that. The knew full well what the consequences might be. They were ready to die that day. Everybody was ready to die that day. Victory through sacrifice. There is no easy way out. They will be mourned, and they die knowing that their death brings about the end of the greatest death the galaxy has ever seen.

Except it's not ridiculous because the ending is your own interpretation, it relys on your own headcannon. Every ending does. You can say it's ridiculous all you want, you're still not right. 

No I don't think the Geth and EDI knew you would arm a weapon that kills them all especially when you have other options that leave them unharmed. Because you know, the Geth were so willing to be shut down by the Quarians for the greater good right? but whatever makes you sleep at night. 

[D24O]

And so another thread becomes a debate about Synthesis. Such is life on the BSN.

[Iakus]

Destroy is the best of a very bad lot of choices. The EDI/geth destruction is nothing more than an artificial, tacked-on tragedy to make people look elsewhere.

[gorezeelar]

 I personally pick Destroy because I think that is the only logical way that the series can continue, with or without Shepard. 

But I got to ask... If there is an ME4, Shephard or not doesn't matter, and if they use Destroy as canon... Would you synthesizers and controllers be genuinely be angry about that? 

On the sideline, if the idoc theory proves true, then everyone's happy.

[Doofe2012]

I chose Destroy because I firmly believed my Shepards and their LIs deserved a reunion and a happy ending. What does that say about me? I guess that I'm very much an emotional guy and a hopeless romantic, and also that I'm definitely not ready to be given the metric ton of responsibility that Shepard had.

[Eterna]

gorezeelar wrote...

 I personally pick Destroy because I think that is the only logical way that the series can continue, with or without Shepard. 

But I got to ask... If there is an ME4, Shephard or not doesn't matter, and if they use Destroy as canon... Would you synthesizers and controllers be genuinely be angry about that? 

On the sideline, if the idoc theory proves true, then everyone's happy.

I wouldn't really care. The Collecter base being destroyed in ME2 was irrelevant in 3 and that didn't really bother me.

[D24O]

Nyoka wrote...

D24O wrote...

And so another thread becomes a debate about Synthesis. Such is life on the BSN.

Better to talk about the game than about how awful the people who picked destroy are.

Well these debates usually end up being "you're horrible for picking (not my ending)" so ususally they don't turn out much better.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Eterna5 wrote...

Except it's not ridiculous because the ending is your own interpretation, it relys on your own headcannon. Every ending does. You can say it's ridiculous all you want, you're still not right.

No I don't think the Geth and EDI knew you would arm a weapon that kills them all especially when you have other options that leave them unharmed. Because you know, the Geth were so willing to be shut down by the Quarians for the greater good right? but whatever makes you sleep at night.

There are far worse outcomes than death. Like synthesis and control, for example. I repeat: everyone was ready to die that day. Everyone. And how was getting shut down by the Quarians for the greater good, exactly?

And yes, my Shepard won't have a good night's sleep for years. I know what destroy entailed. The consequences are not light, and the price is not cheap. But my Shepard is ready to be judged for his actions. He didn't chose the easy way out. And the galaxy is a better place for it.

Those other options don't leave you unharmed. But you're free to think what you wish.

Modifié par Chaotic-Fusion, 12 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[ghost9191]

well to be fair this was a debate about synthesis from the beginning. the op obviously prefers it or control over destroy, or refuse which will if he prefers refuse then he is just whatever.

i don't recall choosing destroy based on just wanting to blow something up. i chose it because i felt that synthesis was morally wrong and well control was too iffy for me. catalyst started out trying to protect and we all know how that turned out.

yes i will happily destroy the reapers, + edi and the geth ( fyi it wasn't a painful death considering edi can't feel pain) and i will take my sunglasses off doing it. but my reasons are based on my moral compass.

i don't see destroy as appealing to a new genre , but synthesis is , i mean come on it goes against everything ME , now control is more appealing then synthesis,

but your choice is yours, no neeed to bash on others because of theirs op bad , bad

Modifié par ghost9191, 12 août 2012 - 06:32 .

[Jassu1979]

The problem with the other ending options is that they essentially require you to embrace the unrepentant perpetrators of a genocide that makes the holocaust look like child's play.

Modifié par Jassu1979, 12 août 2012 - 06:30 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

This is obviously not the proper arena for a philosophical debate, but I'll try to enlighten thee.

Blue: Utterly ridiculous to think, We can control machines by means of one persons 'input'.

Green: Egregious beyond belief, to take every living being, plant, or animal and rewrite their fundamental structure, at the molecular level, is not only impossible, but down right inane/idiotic.
It's a good thing Shepard dies during that transformation, because I'd sure as hell find that idiot, and execute him/her myself!!!

That only leaves Red: the obvious choice, because machines can be broken, and subsequently rebuilt. Oh OP, EDI does not 'die' in some horrific fashion, 'it' only loses power to the circuitry controlling bodily movements, nothing more. Seeing as how EDI, is part of the Normandy, wouldn't that mean 'It' has a 50/50 chance of rebooting?
The Normandy lifted off the planet, so where's the proof EDI isn't functional?
Yeah Yeah, Startwit said so, whatever.

[Eterna]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Except it's not ridiculous because the ending is your own interpretation, it relys on your own headcannon. Every ending does. You can say it's ridiculous all you want, you're still not right.

No I don't think the Geth and EDI knew you would arm a weapon that kills them all especially when you have other options that leave them unharmed. Because you know, the Geth were so willing to be shut down by the Quarians for the greater good right? but whatever makes you sleep at night.

There are far worse outcomes than death. Like synthesis and control, for example. I repeat: everyone was ready to die that day. Everyone. And how was getting shut down by the Quarians for the greater good, exactly?

Those other options don't leave you unharmed. But you're free to think what you wish.

 Everything you just said is your own interpretation and is therefore not right or wrong. I used the Geth being shut down by the Quarians as a clear indication they would much rather live then be betrayed an killed by their creators.  The Geth were willing to die by the reapers in the war, not be backstabbed by Shepard, you should have just killed them on Rannoch, it would have been less cruel because you at least have the decency to tell them your intentions.

Modifié par Eterna5, 12 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[Tealjaker94]

Nyoka wrote...

D24O wrote...

And so another thread becomes a debate about Synthesis. Such is life on the BSN.

Better to talk about the game than about how awful the people who picked destroy are.

This. Picking destroy says nothing about us. But this thread says quite a bit about the OP. Namely that he thinks he's better than us because of a choice he made in a video game and is prepared to make completely unjustified generalizations about the fanbase from up on his moral high horse.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 12 août 2012 - 06:34 .

[SpamBot2000]

Oh no, the nasty gamers don't want to embrace the kindly aliens who murdered the galaxy 20,000 times in a pretty horrifying manner. They just bone stupid that way.

Personally though, I don't pick any of the options.

[Eterna]

Jassu1979 wrote...

The problem with the other ending options is that they essentially require you to embrace the unrepentant perpetrators of a genocide that makes the holocaust look like child's play.

Synthesis does not kill diversity.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Eterna5 wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Except it's not ridiculous because the ending is your own interpretation, it relys on your own headcannon. Every ending does. You can say it's ridiculous all you want, you're still not right.

No I don't think the Geth and EDI knew you would arm a weapon that kills them all especially when you have other options that leave them unharmed. Because you know, the Geth were so willing to be shut down by the Quarians for the greater good right? but whatever makes you sleep at night.

There are far worse outcomes than death. Like synthesis and control, for example. I repeat: everyone was ready to die that day. Everyone. And how was getting shut down by the Quarians for the greater good, exactly?

Those other options don't leave you unharmed. But you're free to think what you wish.

 Everything you just said is your own interpretation and is therefore not right or wrong. I used the Geth being shut down by the Quarians as a clear indication they would much rather live then be betrayed an killed by their creators. 

Ok. I don't really feel like discussing headcanon. Let's stop when we still can, ok?