sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I'd be more interested in why BW had Jacob "the Prize" Taylor dump femShepard for some hussy, and didn't have Miranda dump manShepard. Because by doing that, if femShep sacrificed Kaiden at Virmire, she was left without any heterosexual LI in ME3. Not the case for manShepard if he sacrificed Ash.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Oh, and for future reference, "gay/straight/bi" are meaningless unless applied within a species. Male bird + male cat isn't gay, it's *weird*. The thing I really don't get why no one has a problem with quarians being attracted to non-quarians (what would today be considered bestiality), but female quarians with female humans are an abomination against nature...
Sajuro wrote...
FemShep has Samantha Traynor
Samantha Traynor
what more do you people want?
clennon8 wrote...
You humans are all bigots.
In fact, his "argument" has to be one of the most idiotic things I have read in my entire life.AxStapleton wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Oh, and for future reference, "gay/straight/bi" are meaningless unless applied within a species. Male bird + male cat isn't gay, it's *weird*. The thing I really don't get why no one has a problem with quarians being attracted to non-quarians (what would today be considered bestiality), but female quarians with female humans are an abomination against nature...
What? Who said that here? Nobody has come within a mile of wording it or meaning it like that in this thread except for you.
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Omega Torsk wrote...
Because... it's just not her thing? Just like it's not Ashley's thing?
Modifié par BringBackNihlus, 13 août 2012 - 07:15 .
ravynwriter wrote...
Not saying whether or not Tali should be a femshep love interest, but I am genuinely confused about this whole 'not everyone is bisexual ' excuse that is given. One could argue alternate reality theory here. Everytime you play through the game with a different Shepard, male or female, it's a different reality than when you play through it with another one. My ME universe for my canon MaleShep is an extremely similar universe but alternate from my one for my Femshep. So, why not simply think that every main character in the game is completely NONsexual until the dictates of that playthrough come into play?
I mean, people are constantly saying 'headcanon'...headcanon your own endings, headcanon your own Shepard's detailed background, or their motivations for doing something. Why not the same for different characters' orientations?
If I play through one with my FemShep and romance Kaidan...it's easy enough for me to headcanon Kaidan as straight. If I play thorugh a MaleShep and romance him, I can headcanon that he's gay, or bisexual. It's not that the character itself is bisexual...he has no orientation at all until i decide to give him one, and whatever one I give him is right for that particular AU.
So, make everyone romanceable for everyone. If I want to headcanon that Tali is completely gay, I can do that. If I want to headcanon that she's completely straight, I can do that. If I want to headcanon that she's bi, I can do that. And I can go in with a different Shepard and play it differently.
They're video game characters, not real people. Real people are what they are. Video game characters, especially in a game that relies so much on a player's decisions and headcanon, are what you decide they are. If I decide my Shep and Ash are BFFs, then they are. If I decide my Shep and Ash can't stand each other, they can't.
It's not that they're bisexual, is that their orientation depends on you to decide what it is. You don't want them to be gay, then they aren't. If you want them to be, then they are, and whatever you decide doesn't affect anyone else's game one iota.
Modifié par Lilihierax Krinik, 13 août 2012 - 10:24 .
Cole Jones wrote...
What other thread? And Not many folks are. I'm not sure what Liara count's as seeing as they claim Mono Gender. I can't think of any other LI that is Bi.
Cole Jones wrote...
No, I'm not a shipper it's a legitimate question. She is probably the most loving of all the people Shepard meats (Minus...Kelee? Whatever her name was) And she really is attached to Shepard. Ether of em. SO why is she a M Only LI?
Modifié par Zkyire, 13 août 2012 - 10:40 .
ravynwriter wrote...
Not saying whether or not Tali should be a femshep love interest, but I am genuinely confused about this whole 'not everyone is bisexual ' excuse that is given. One could argue alternate reality theory here. Everytime you play through the game with a different Shepard, male or female, it's a different reality than when you play through it with another one. My ME universe for my canon MaleShep is an extremely similar universe but alternate from my one for my Femshep. So, why not simply think that every main character in the game is completely NONsexual until the dictates of that playthrough come into play?
I mean, people are constantly saying 'headcanon'...headcanon your own endings, headcanon your own Shepard's detailed background, or their motivations for doing something. Why not the same for different characters' orientations?
If I play through one with my FemShep and romance Kaidan...it's easy enough for me to headcanon Kaidan as straight. If I play thorugh a MaleShep and romance him, I can headcanon that he's gay, or bisexual. It's not that the character itself is bisexual...he has no orientation at all until i decide to give him one, and whatever one I give him is right for that particular AU.
So, make everyone romanceable for everyone. If I want to headcanon that Tali is completely gay, I can do that. If I want to headcanon that she's completely straight, I can do that. If I want to headcanon that she's bi, I can do that. And I can go in with a different Shepard and play it differently.
They're video game characters, not real people. Real people are what they are. Video game characters, especially in a game that relies so much on a player's decisions and headcanon, are what you decide they are. If I decide my Shep and Ash are BFFs, then they are. If I decide my Shep and Ash can't stand each other, they can't.
It's not that they're bisexual, is that their orientation depends on you to decide what it is. You don't want them to be gay, then they aren't. If you want them to be, then they are, and whatever you decide doesn't affect anyone else's game one iota.
Modifié par Comsky159, 13 août 2012 - 12:38 .
It's more trouble than what it's worth.ShepnTali wrote...
I wouldn't blame Bioware if they ended including relationships altogether. This is getting stupid.
ShepnTali wrote...
I wouldn't blame Bioware if they ended including relationships altogether. This is getting stupid.
Modifié par Pitznik, 13 août 2012 - 12:46 .
Cole Jones wrote...
No, I'm not a shipper it's a legitimate question. She is probably the most loving of all the people Shepard meats (Minus...Kelee? Whatever her name was) And she really is attached to Shepard. Ether of em. SO why is she a M Only LI?
True, except for the minor problem that Liara got this wrong. The asari are not mono-gendered. If you disagree, get a dictionary and look up gender. Pay special attention to the box explaining the difference between "sex" and "gender".Mono-Gendered means One gender.
The central argument is that you, people of BSN, are unable to seperate your inherent bias from facts. Fact is turians, qurians and humans are different species; but because they look vaguely human-ish, you cannot see the MASSIVE barrier to such relationships, which I thought to illustrate by the cat/bird example, which you agree is a really rather unlikely pairing...Personally I'm more interested in this bird/cat sex argument. Sounds legit.
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 13 août 2012 - 01:14 .
AlexMBrennan wrote...
True, except for the minor problem that Liara got this wrong. The asari are not mono-gendered. If you disagree, get a dictionary and look up gender. Pay special attention to the box explaining the difference between "sex" and "gender".Mono-Gendered means One gender.
Modifié par Zkyire, 13 août 2012 - 01:22 .
AlexMBrennan wrote...
True, except for the minor problem that Liara got this wrong. The asari are not mono-gendered. If you disagree, get a dictionary and look up gender. Pay special attention to the box explaining the difference between "sex" and "gender".Mono-Gendered means One gender.
The central argument is that you, people of BSN, are unable to seperate your inherent bias from facts. Fact is turians, qurians and humans are different species; but because they look vaguely human-ish, you cannot see the MASSIVE barrier to such relationships, which I thought to illustrate by the cat/bird example, which you agree is a really rather unlikely pairing...Personally I'm more interested in this bird/cat sex argument. Sounds legit.
Turians are bird-like, so that's where the bird came from; and cats, as you know from cartoons, are predators hunting birds (among other things).
The point is that "Garrus is not gay" can only meaningfully be interpreted as "Garrus is only interested in turian females" (the alternative, "Garrus is interested in females regardless of species" is clearly absurd). So saying that it makes sense for Garrus to not be a LI for manShep "because Garrus is not gay" is incorrect because it makes just as little sense for him to be a LI for femShep.
If you accept that Garrus is a LI at all, then you really have to accept him as LI for both manShep and femShep.
Since quarians are fairly close to humans, I used the bird-like turians for dramatic effect. The same argument obviously applies to femShep/Tali (except that there will be less opposition because girl on girl is hot)
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