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No, just no, because Shepard is not a god: it has to be a bit as in the reality... I mean, in the reality, you can make friendships, you can love someone, but that doesn't mean you can change people on your pleasure. If I can change the sexuality of the people, why I can't change their nature? I don't like Kaidan, he's a ****, so I make him like a badass, or I don't like Jacob, he's too boring, so now he has an interesting life, and he's ****ing great, or still, I want to romance Legion with Sheploo, no matter if geths don't have sexual impulses, I want him, so now he's a romance, because I'm Commander Shepard and I say so.
You can't just say "I want Tali as gay, because this overexcite me!" because is just ridicolous, Tali likes men, maybe in Mass Effect 4 there will be a lesbian quarian, but for now, we have Tali, and she's straight.


That's exactly what I said. In reality you can't choose and change people to your pleasure.

This isn't reality. This is a video game. People do that all the time. Yeah, I don't like Kaidan, so he's an ass in my headcanon...in the way I play him and have my Shep react to him, he's an ass. Someone else might see him as a sweetheart. What's the difference?

Just write fanfiction? I'm sorry but I need a little more rigidity in my characters/ME universe than that.
Perhaps I think that from this point onwards, all the asari should be yellow in every playthrough. I much prefer that colour and if you don't, then you can just headcanon that they're blue; after all colour is relative, you can just imagine your Shep's colourblind or something.
No problem right?
Personally I'm more interested in this bird/cat sex argument. Sounds legit.


If you think from this point onwards the asari should be yellow, I'm pretty sure you can make a mod for that, or find someone who has and download it. If you do, it does not change the fact that in my runthrough my asari are blue. It's not Shepard deciding who is what, it's YOU, the player. I've seen a mod where Miranda is made blonde like Yvonne. I've seen a mod where you can put other skins on Shep and therefore actually run through the game looking exactly like Miranda, or Liara, or anyone. Yet your own perceptions of a characters sexuality...whatever they may be...is where the line is drawn?

If you want to say Tali is absolutely heterosexual then good on you. Play it that way and you have all the game rigidity you want. If someone else wants to say she's not, then good on them. Let them play the way they want.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

arial wrote...

not everyone in the Mass Effect universe is bi-sexual


Should be.


Ugh. Please no, this isn't Dragon Age 2.

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Same reason why Cortez is only a LI for MaleShep, or Traynor is only a LI for FemShep, or Garrus is only a LI for FemShep: Their sexual orientation.

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Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Same reason why Cortez is only a LI for MaleShep, or Traynor is only a LI for FemShep, or Garrus is only a LI for FemShep: Their sexual orientation.

Arbitrary gender check that does nothing at all for their characterization. They would work equally well characterwise and storywise with the other sex, as proven by multiple mods that remove those gender checks so the romanceable characters become actually able to be romanced.

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Tali is straight and she's damn proud of it. As she should.

I personally couldn't care less if the plots, conversations or whatever would also work if she was bisexual. Fact is, she isn't. 

Being straight is a defining factor for her. Deal with it.

Modifié par Shallyah, 14 août 2012 - 01:36 .


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Why isn't Udina a love interest for FemShep? Why isn't Aria? Why, why, why?!?

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

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Because... it's just not her thing? Just like it's not Ashley's thing?


You still don't get it, do you? The tolerance is so strong in 2186 that everyone loves everyone, and we're all bisexuals.

Not sure if serious.....

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Mono-Gendered means One gender.

True, except for the minor problem that Liara got this wrong. The asari are not mono-gendered. If you disagree, get a dictionary and look up gender. Pay special attention to the box explaining the difference between "sex" and "gender".

Personally I'm more interested in this bird/cat sex argument. Sounds legit.

The central argument is that you, people of BSN, are unable to seperate your inherent bias from facts. Fact is turians, qurians and humans are different species; but because they look vaguely human-ish, you cannot see the MASSIVE barrier to such relationships, which I thought to illustrate by the cat/bird example, which you agree is a really rather unlikely pairing...

Turians are bird-like, so that's where the bird came from; and cats, as you know from cartoons, are predators hunting birds (among other things).

The point is that "Garrus is not gay" can only meaningfully be interpreted as "Garrus is only interested in turian females" (the alternative, "Garrus is interested in females regardless of species" is clearly absurd). So saying that it makes sense for Garrus to not be a LI for manShep "because Garrus is not gay" is incorrect because it makes just as little sense for him to be a LI for femShep.
If you accept that Garrus is a LI at all, then you really have to accept him as LI for both manShep and femShep.

Since quarians are fairly close to humans, I used the bird-like turians for dramatic effect. The same argument obviously applies to femShep/Tali (except that there will be less opposition because girl on girl is hot)

Or maybe he likes species with female attributes.

*Feminime voice
*Body
*Gentleness
etc........

hence the reason he can be classified as straight.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 14 août 2012 - 02:13 .


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Because only Male Shepard deserves Tali.

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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Or maybe he likes species with female attributes.

*Feminime voice
*Body
*Gentleness
etc........

hence the reason he can be classified as straight.


With that "reasoning", he could be classified as bisexual as well.

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More importantly, why the hell is Kaidan bi-curious all of the sudden?

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Cole Jones wrote...
No, I'm not a shipper it's a legitimate question. She is probably the most loving of all the people Shepard meats (Minus...Kelee? Whatever her name was) And she really is attached to Shepard. Ether of em. SO why is she a M Only LI?


Because there are too many insecure boys in the Tali fanbase that couldn't handle the idea that Tali could possibly be hooking up with a sexy chick in another playthrough?

IDK, that's my best guess.

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Shallyah wrote...

Tali is straight and she's damn proud of it. As she should.

Headcanon and personal judgment with no value to the discussion.

I personally couldn't care less if the plots, conversations or whatever would also work if she was bisexual. Fact is, she isn't.

Duh. That's the point of the thread, if you read carefully, you know: the reason why she isn't. You might benefit from looking at the title of the thread.

Being straight is a defining factor for her. Deal with it.

No, it isn't, for the reason you said you don't care about. Your not caring is irrelevant to its validity.

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Nyoka wrote...

You might benefit from looking at the title of the thread.


*looks at thread title*

Why isn't Tali a LI for Fem Shep to.....................................?  

*goes off to think of the possiblilities*  :devil:

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Shallyah wrote...

Tali is straight and she's damn proud of it. As she should.

I personally couldn't care less if the plots, conversations or whatever would also work if she was bisexual. Fact is, she isn't. 

Being straight is a defining factor for her. Deal with it.


Deal with this...I don't want Tali as a love interest...she might not even have a tongue, her finger are like scissors and her feet look like a chicken.....so you keep her straight guy, enjoy..:P

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Ok, I have to put in two cents since people are misinformed. Tali was originally written as bisexual in both ME 2 and ME 3, and heck Hale recorded lines for both games in which she is romancing Tali. This is fact, its on youtube and I won't dig for them. In other words, even the mods to make this relationship happen would have the correct voice actors. So why didn't it happen, for ME 2 I believe there was an objection to a alien lesbian relationship ( odd since we had liara already). As for ME 3, I have no idea why they would again attempt the FemShep/Tali relationship only to be shot down again by some higher up. Bottom line, in the purest sense (from the writer's intent) Tali is bisexual.

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female attributes.

You're moving into dangerous territory here because those things aren't necessarily fixed - Garrus is interested in the most masculine femShep conceivable but not at all interested in the most feminine manShep conceivable.

Shepard's sex is fixed. Shepard's voice is fixed. Everything else is up to the player.

[Did I mention that I think that the ME romances can be a little bit absurd at times?]

He even tells you that he's not attracted to human women at all, but just Shepard... so why not manShep?

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Well the quarians have weak immune systems and the human mouth has a s*** load of bacteria (compared to most animals on earth) so....... I will let you connect the dots.

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jlb524 wrote...

Cole Jones wrote...
No, I'm not a shipper it's a legitimate question. She is probably the most loving of all the people Shepard meats (Minus...Kelee? Whatever her name was) And she really is attached to Shepard. Ether of em. SO why is she a M Only LI?


Because there are too many insecure boys in the Tali fanbase that couldn't handle the idea that Tali could possibly be hooking up with a sexy chick in another playthrough?

IDK, that's my best guess.



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arial wrote...

not everyone in the Mass Effect universe is bi-sexual


This

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BazookaDre

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Except, she actually was written as bisexual. it was just omitted in both ME 2 and 3, but the lines were recorded. I guess I'll have to fish out my proof from youtube. Will be adding the videos to this post.

ME3


ME2

Modifié par BazookaDre, 14 août 2012 - 05:03 .


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Doesn't it have to do with something about the voice actor's religion and how she didn't want to record those lines?

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because this is not Dragon Age 2

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Tom-N7- wrote...

Doesn't it have to do with something about the voice actor's religion and how she didn't want to record those lines?


Really?  It's the first I've heard of that, I'd like to see proof of this.  

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Nah, Tali's voice actor seemed to have recorded too. I think it was time/resources really, but who knows. It was cut, so thats that.

Added the links to my last post.  Anyways, make what you will of it.

Modifié par BazookaDre, 14 août 2012 - 05:03 .