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[Sajuro]

silentassassin264 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Of course canon shep is a biotic. Why do you think all of the default starts are soldiers?

Soldiers who can cast singularities in ME1, use slam in ME2, and warp in ME3.  If Shepard is always capable of that ability, Shepard is always a biotic whether Shepard uses it primarily or not.  In the Mass Effect Universe, you can't just use Biotic powers without heavily using red sand (or otherwise becoming a biotic god) or being born a biotic.  Since Shepard is not perpetually high, Shepard has to be a biotic regardless.

I don't know, he acts kind of high throughout the games.

[Binary_Helix 1]

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 13 août 2012 - 12:15 .

[Gruntburner]

Shepard has the implants to be a Baltic, regardless of class. His class determines whether or not he got the necessary training.

[deatharmonic]

Gruntburner wrote...

Shepard has the implants to be a Baltic, regardless of class. His class determines whether or not he got the necessary training.

Didn't know you could get implants to determine your ethnicity 

[Xellith]

When killing Kai Leng you magically get an omni blade as a Biotic. Therefore your argument is invalid.

[Wulfram]

I was gonna choose destroy until I got high
I was gonna get up and shoot the tube but then I got high
galaxy still messed up and I know why
(why man?)

Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high.

[silentassassin264]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Xellith wrote...

When killing Kai Leng you magically get an omni blade as a Biotic. Therefore your argument is invalid.

 
The codex says all Alliance marines were issued omniblades.  Adepts and Vanguards just chose not to use them until killing Kai Leng.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 13 août 2012 - 12:24 .

[RebelTitan428]

nothing is canon.

i bet Bioware is going to pull a St. Elsewhere on everone.

(for anyone that doesn't know what St.Elsewhere is, it was a T.V. show that revolved around a hospital, often switching between serious and comedic tones.
The final episode of the show involved a completely different setting than that of the rest of the show. Switching from the setting of the hospital to that of the characters homes. But at home all the characters appear differently than they had in the series, including different roles and names, and personas.
The final scene then shifts to one of the shows secondary characters, a young autistic boy named Tommy Westphall who is often seen but rarely mentioned. Unlike the other people who have drastically changed in the closing minutes, Tommy remains as he was throughout the show. Always quiet and to himself, barely noticed by the viewer.
As the camera zooms in on Tommy it is revealed that the snow globe he is often seen holding contains a hospital in the middle. An exact replica of the shows setting.
Leaving viewers with the assumption that the entire setting of the show was nothing more than a figment in the autistic boy, Tommy Westphall's imagination.)


by that i mean:

my Shepard is a Male : Soldier : Earthborn : Sole Survivor.

and is more than likely still on Akuze being attacked by Thresher Maw's, and all of ME, ME2 & ME3 are him hiding in a cave imaging what life will be like if he survives.

...Except my Shep has no snowglob

Modifié par RebelTitan428, 13 août 2012 - 12:26 .

[Pitznik]

Shepard emulates the biotic power with his... ummm... his... shield emitter?

[Ticonderoga117]

Don't know what you are talking about.
My Shepard was never exposed to eezo, doesn't use an amp, and only get's a headache at staring at something too hard instead of lifting it.

Besides, why do I need Biotics to kill someone up close when I can shoot them from a nearby mountain?

[NoUserNameHere]

... which explains why s/he never ever uses biotic powers, regardless of class, in cutscenes.

[Binary_Helix 1]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

You're reading too much into the bonus power gameplay mechanic. It's there largely so you can choose whatever squad you want.

[DirtySHISN0]

silentassassin264 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Of course canon shep is a biotic. Why do you think all of the default starts are soldiers?

Soldiers who can cast singularities in ME1, use slam in ME2, and warp in ME3.  If Shepard is always capable of that ability, Shepard is always a biotic whether Shepard uses it primarily or not.  In the Mass Effect Universe, you can't just use Biotic powers without heavily using red sand (or otherwise becoming a biotic god) or being born a biotic.  Since Shepard is not perpetually high, Shepard has to be a biotic regardless.

I think you're looking too heavily into something that is supposed to be a gameplay mechanic to incentivise, freshen up and validate multiple play throughs, not lore.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 13 août 2012 - 12:31 .

[Andy the Black]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock biotic bouns powers in some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 13 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[arial]

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock them is some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use and AR without have to jump through hopes.

even if you have to unlock them, you would be unable to use them without some level of Biotic powers.

[silentassassin264]

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock biotic bouns powers in some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

Actually you can.  Import your brand new soldier and select bonus power reave.  Start ME2 reaving mechs (which is kind of pointless as they have no health but whatever). 

And what arial said.  If Shepard was not a biotic, Shepard could not use Biotic powers AT ALL (well baring being high on red sand).  The fact that Shepard can use them, even as just bonus powers implies Shep has to be a biotic.

The cutscene means nothing.  You hold the avenger even if you have the Revenat, Vindicator, or Mattock.  It is just lazy cutscene writing because it apparently takes too much effort to put the right gun there.  Does that imply even though you can only carry one of each gun, Shepard always has an Avenger, just because regardless of which gun you pick you have an avenger in the cutscenes?

Modifié par silentassassin264, 13 août 2012 - 12:38 .

[Andy the Black]

arial wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock them is some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use and AR without have to jump through hopes.

even if you have to unlock them, you would be unable to use them without some level of Biotic powers.

Again, it's only a gameplay mechanic not lore. In the same way no one ever needs sleep, or to eat, or go to the throne.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Andy the Black wrote...

 Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

On the contrary in ME1 non-soldier Shepards actually had to earn an AR. They had to first unlock it by playing as a soldier, then had to select it as a bonus power in a new playthrough, then they had to invest points in it. Even in ME2 they couldn't get access to one until the half way point and even then premium ARs like the Revevant were off limits.  ARs = soldier.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 13 août 2012 - 12:40 .

[arial]

Andy the Black wrote...

arial wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock them is some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use and AR without have to jump through hopes.

even if you have to unlock them, you would be unable to use them without some level of Biotic powers.

Again, it's only a gameplay mechanic not lore. In the same way no one ever needs sleep, or to eat, or go to the throne.

not the same in the slightest, those things simply happen off screen, as we see people cook and comment on food (Normandy Chef in ME2), SLeep (When Ashley is Hung Over), and use the bathroom (Traynor comments on the bathrooms).

Like I said, if Shepard has the option to use Biotic power, it means he must have some level fo biotic abilities, even if he decides not to use them in combat.

[Andy the Black]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock biotic bouns powers in some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

Actually you can.  Import your brand new soldier and select bonus power reave.  Start ME2 reaving mechs (which is kind of pointless as they have no health but whatever). 

You still to have unlocked it. If you haven't done Samara's loyalty mission with any Shep you can't use it. Even on your biotic Sheps.

[silentassassin264]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

 Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

On the contrary in ME1 non-soldier Shepards actually had to earn an AR. They had to first unlock it by playing as a soldier, then had to select it as a bonus power in a new playthrough, then they had to invest points in it. Even in ME2 they couldn't get access to one until the half way point and even then premium ARs like the Revevant were off limits.

No they didn't.  In ME1 you started with all 4 guns regardless.  

[arial]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

 Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

On the contrary in ME1 non-soldier Shepards actually had to earn an AR. They had to first unlock it by playing as a soldier, then had to select it as a bonus power in a new playthrough, then they had to invest points in it. Even in ME2 they couldn't get access to one until the half way point and even then premium ARs like the Revevant were off limits.

Actually, in ME1 an Adept could use an AR right off the bat, it would just suck and you would not have the skill to put points into to improve it.

So yeah, in ME1 they could use it right off the bat without needing to unlock anything

[Ticonderoga117]

silentassassin264 wrote...
No they didn't.  In ME1 you started with all 4 guns regardless. 

And you can't hit the broad side of barn without the skill.

[arial]

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.

Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games.  The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2.  Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.

Not really. In every game you had to unlock biotic bouns powers in some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.

Actually you can.  Import your brand new soldier and select bonus power reave.  Start ME2 reaving mechs (which is kind of pointless as they have no health but whatever). 

You still to have unlocked it. If you haven't done Samara's loyalty mission with any Shep you can't use it. Even on your biotic Sheps.

you do have to unlock it, however if Biotic Shepard is not canon then you should only be able to select it with Adepts Vanguards and Sentinles.

that fact that the other classes can use it shows the Shepard has some level of Biotics, no matter how weak/powerful they may be.

[arial]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
No they didn't.  In ME1 you started with all 4 guns regardless. 

And you can't hit the broad side of barn without the skill.

true, but they were still avaliable