Ticonderoga117 wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
No they didn't. In ME1 you started with all 4 guns regardless.
And you can't hit the broad side of barn without the skill.
silentassassin264 wrote...
No they didn't. In ME1 you started with all 4 guns regardless.Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
Andy the Black wrote...
Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.
On the contrary in ME1 non-soldier Shepards actually had to earn an AR. They had to first unlock it by playing as a soldier, then had to select it as a bonus power in a new playthrough, then they had to invest points in it. Even in ME2 they couldn't get access to one until the half way point and even then premium ARs like the Revevant were off limits.
I unlocked all the weapons achievements with my Engineer on the first playthrough.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
No they didn't. In ME1 you started with all 4 guns regardless.
And you can't hit the broad side of barn without the skill.
silentassassin264 wrote...
I unlocked all the weapons achievements with my Engineer on the first playthrough.
Including the sniper rifle.
How do you like them apples?
Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
Andy the Black wrote...
Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use an AR without having to jump through hopes.
On the contrary in ME1 non-soldier Shepards actually had to earn an AR. They had to first unlock it by playing as a soldier, then had to select it as a bonus power in a new playthrough, then they had to invest points in it. Even in ME2 they couldn't get access to one until the half way point and even then premium ARs like the Revevant were off limits. ARs = soldier.
arial wrote...
not the same in the slightest, those things simply happen off screen, as we see people cook and comment on food (Normandy Chef in ME2), SLeep (When Ashley is Hung Over), and use the bathroom (Traynor comments on the bathrooms).Andy the Black wrote...
arial wrote...
even if you have to unlock them, you would be unable to use them without some level of Biotic powers.Andy the Black wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
Lazy cutscene scripting in one game is not the same as a dedicated mechanic in all the games. The only game in which other classes could not use Assault rifles from the beginning was ME2. Whereas, soldiers had biotics in every game regardless.Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
If that's true then soldier Shepard is canon cuz in two of the three games assault rifles were exclusive to soldiers.
Not really. In every game you had to unlock them is some way, it's not like non-biotic Shep can just start throwing around Reave from the get go. Conversely in Mass 1 and 3 biotic Shep can use and AR without have to jump through hopes.
Again, it's only a gameplay mechanic not lore. In the same way no one ever needs sleep, or to eat, or go to the throne.
Like I said, if Shepard has the option to use Biotic power, it means he must have some level fo biotic abilities, even if he decides not to use them in combat.
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Sniper Rifle with Explosive rounds was a rocket launcher. Fun times. Fun times indeed.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
That's fine and dandy, because all I need is my pistol and sniper rifle for my infiltrator.
The shotgun with HE ammo is used for the lulz.
I miss the ME1 gun system.
even if you decide not to pick/use that power, the potential is still there, and that potential requires some level of biotic abilityJamie9 wrote...
What about a Shepard who never chooses a Biotic bonus power? So they don't have Biotics.
Therefore, no. This is not canon.
This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
Mass Effect 1 did not register headshots and by the time any gameplay goes on in ME2 you are a transhumaned cyborg abomination. So yeah, your head is for all intents and purposes made out of heavy skin/bone weave..or stone.Andy the Black wrote...
Fair point. Use this then; Shep can get shot in the head 4-5 times on some difficultys, without shields or a helmet. Does that mean Shep has a head made of stone? No, it a gameplay mechanic. Same as bouns powers.
arial wrote...
even if you decide not to pick/use that power, the potential is still there, and that potential requires some level of biotic abilityJamie9 wrote...
What about a Shepard who never chooses a Biotic bonus power? So they don't have Biotics.
Therefore, no. This is not canon.
This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
Your example invalidates your point. If as an Adept you know you are a biotic even when you fall over the ledge chasing Tela Vasir and don't use it to stop yourself from falling, that does not mean Shepard is not biotic.Randy1083 wrote...
Lore supersedes gameplay mechanics. Shepard never uses biotics in any cinematics, even if he/she is an Adept. If there were a canon, Shepard wouldn't be a biotic in it.
silentassassin264 wrote...
Mass Effect 1 did not register headshots and by the time any gameplay goes on in ME2 you are a transhumaned cyborg abomination. So yeah, your head is for all intents and purposes made out of heavy skin/bone weave..or stone.Andy the Black wrote...
Fair point. Use this then; Shep can get shot in the head 4-5 times on some difficultys, without shields or a helmet. Does that mean Shep has a head made of stone? No, it a gameplay mechanic. Same as bouns powers.
Modifié par Andy the Black, 13 août 2012 - 01:05 .
silentassassin264 wrote...
Your example invalidates your point. If as an Adept you know you are a biotic even when you fall over the ledge chasing Tela Vasir and don't use it to stop yourself from falling, that does not mean Shepard is not biotic.Randy1083 wrote...
Lore supersedes gameplay mechanics. Shepard never uses biotics in any cinematics, even if he/she is an Adept. If there were a canon, Shepard wouldn't be a biotic in it.
Completely different situation. You are comparing a fourth wall choice about us making a character to an ingame choice. Fourth wall wise, Shepard could be a colonist, spacer, or earthborn. Ingame that is already set and you cannot be anything else. Shepard does not have to potential to change his/her history or sex. Shepard can on the fly change to a biotic power whenever it suits him/her. You are comparing apples to hand grenades.Jamie9 wrote...
arial wrote...
even if you decide not to pick/use that power, the potential is still there, and that potential requires some level of biotic abilityJamie9 wrote...
What about a Shepard who never chooses a Biotic bonus power? So they don't have Biotics.
Therefore, no. This is not canon.
This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
lol.
Having the potential to do something does not make it canon. I have the potential to play a female Shepard. That doesn't make my Shepard female.
Shepard never uses biotics in any situation where they could have been useful. When Kai Leng jumped onto the car in the Citadel, instead of using Throw to knock him off or Warping the **** out of him, what does Shepard do? He/she opens the door, leans out, and shoots at Leng with a pistol. You may know you're playing an Adept, but the game never treats any of the classes differently outside of combat and a couple of interchangeable lines of dialogue.silentassassin264 wrote...
Your example invalidates your point. If as an Adept you know you are a biotic even when you fall over the ledge chasing Tela Vasir and don't use it to stop yourself from falling, that does not mean Shepard is not biotic.Randy1083 wrote...
Lore supersedes gameplay mechanics. Shepard never uses biotics in any cinematics, even if he/she is an Adept. If there were a canon, Shepard wouldn't be a biotic in it.
The same reason Jack rips through two YMIRs in her recruitment mission and when she charges a YMIR in gameply she dies in less than two seconds. Cutscenes are governed by art. We also had a Dreadnought get shot down in atmosphere at the beginning of ME3 when lore specifically says dreadnoughts cannot enter the atmosphere.Andy the Black wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
Mass Effect 1 did not register headshots and by the time any gameplay goes on in ME2 you are a transhumaned cyborg abomination. So yeah, your head is for all intents and purposes made out of heavy skin/bone weave..or stone.Andy the Black wrote...
Fair point. Use this then; Shep can get shot in the head 4-5 times on some difficultys, without shields or a helmet. Does that mean Shep has a head made of stone? No, it a gameplay mechanic. Same as bouns powers.
Exactly, the first game didn't even register headshots even though you're getting shot point blank in the face. It was part of it's gameplay mechanics. And if Shep in game could get shot in the bonce and laugh it off in Mass 2 and 3 why does he use cover in cut scenes?
Kai Leng had shields on. Throw wouldn't have done anything to him.Randy1083 wrote...
Shepard never uses biotics in any situation where they could have been useful. When Kai Leng jumped onto the car in the Citadel, instead of using Throw to knock him off or Warping the **** out of him, what does Shepard do? He/she opens the door, leans out, and shoots at Leng with a pistol. You may know you're playing an Adept, but the game never treats any of the classes differently outside of combat and a couple of interchangeable lines of dialogue.silentassassin264 wrote...
Your example invalidates your point. If as an Adept you know you are a biotic even when you fall over the ledge chasing Tela Vasir and don't use it to stop yourself from falling, that does not mean Shepard is not biotic.Randy1083 wrote...
Lore supersedes gameplay mechanics. Shepard never uses biotics in any cinematics, even if he/she is an Adept. If there were a canon, Shepard wouldn't be a biotic in it.
silentassassin264 wrote...
Completely different situation. You are comparing a fourth wall choice about us making a character to an ingame choice. Fourth wall wise, Shepard could be a colonist, spacer, or earthborn. Ingame that is already set and you cannot be anything else. Shepard does not have to potential to change his/her history or sex. Shepard can on the fly change to a biotic power whenever it suits him/her. You are comparing apples to hand grenades.Jamie9 wrote...
arial wrote...
even if you decide not to pick/use that power, the potential is still there, and that potential requires some level of biotic abilityJamie9 wrote...
What about a Shepard who never chooses a Biotic bonus power? So they don't have Biotics.
Therefore, no. This is not canon.
This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
lol.
Having the potential to do something does not make it canon. I have the potential to play a female Shepard. That doesn't make my Shepard female.
Shepard didn't know Leng had shields until after he/she started shooting. But that just brings up another question. If Shepard were an Engineer, why couldn't he/she Overload Leng's shield?silentassassin264 wrote...
Kai Leng had shields on. Throw wouldn't have done anything to him.Randy1083 wrote...
Shepard never uses biotics in any situation where they could have been useful. When Kai Leng jumped onto the car in the Citadel, instead of using Throw to knock him off or Warping the **** out of him, what does Shepard do? He/she opens the door, leans out, and shoots at Leng with a pistol. You may know you're playing an Adept, but the game never treats any of the classes differently outside of combat and a couple of interchangeable lines of dialogue.silentassassin264 wrote...
Your example invalidates your point. If as an Adept you know you are a biotic even when you fall over the ledge chasing Tela Vasir and don't use it to stop yourself from falling, that does not mean Shepard is not biotic.Randy1083 wrote...
Lore supersedes gameplay mechanics. Shepard never uses biotics in any cinematics, even if he/she is an Adept. If there were a canon, Shepard wouldn't be a biotic in it.
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