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[Sousabird]

He has biotic potential, however he may or may not have used it depending on your choice of class

[silentassassin264]

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

What about a Shepard who never chooses a Biotic bonus power? So they don't have Biotics.

Therefore, no. This is not canon.

This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

even if you decide not to pick/use that power, the potential is still there, and that potential requires some level of biotic ability

lol.

Having the potential to do something does not make it canon. I have the potential to play a female Shepard. That doesn't make my Shepard female.

Completely different situation.  You are comparing a fourth wall choice about us making a character to an ingame choice.  Fourth wall wise, Shepard could be a colonist, spacer, or earthborn.  Ingame that is already set and you cannot be anything else.  Shepard does not have to potential to change his/her history or sex.  Shepard can on the fly change to a biotic power whenever it suits him/her.  You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

Sorry but it is the same thing. If you chose to apply a bonuse power to a Shep who would not otherwise have it you are making an out of game choice. If you want to have a soldier Shep with a biotic bonus power and say s/he is a biotic then thats fine (I myself have an Infiltrator with Slam). But don't say all Sheps are biotic just because an out of game choice can be made to give them a biotic power.

It is not the same thing.  One thing is you as a player making a choice, Shepard sex.  The other something Shepard can change.  Shepard using biotics in game if you are not and Adept, Vanguard, or Sentinel is akin to going to the armory and changing your loadout.  That is something Shepard can change.  It is not the same thing.  Not even close.

[Jadebaby]

Kai Leng had plot shields on. NOTHING would have done anything to him.

[M920CAIN]

arial wrote...

 hey,



So, Shepard being a Biotic must be canon.

Why you ask? well I shall Explain:

Even if you choose a non Biotic class for Shepard (Soldier, Engineer, or Infiltrator), He still has access to Biotic Bonus Powers.

so to use those Bonus powers he must have some level of Biotics.

So, Shepard being a Biotic must be canon.


Opinions?

In Shadow Broker DLC Shep falls and doesn't use his bitoics to levitate.
In Grissom Academy mission Shep bangs on the glass with his weapon WHILE Jack uses biotics to smash the glass.

There is no Shepard biotic CANNON. Shepard or more so the player can choose to be a biotic. It's a difference

[arial]

Sousabird wrote...

He has biotic potential, however he may or may not have used it depending on your choice of class

exactly

[Randy1012]

M920CAIN wrote...

In Shadow Broker DLC Shep falls and doesn't use his bitoics to levitate.
In Grissom Academy mission Shep bangs on the glass with his weapon WHILE Jack uses biotics to smash the glass.

Also, at Lazarus Station, Jacob identifies himself to Shepard as a biotic, no matter what Shepard's class is, and asks Shepard to let him know when to "hit 'em with the good stuff," implying that Shepard is not a biotic and only Jacob is. A similar situation happens on Mars with Liara, where the game treats her as the only biotic in the room.

[silentassassin264]

M920CAIN wrote...


In Shadow Broker DLC Shep falls and doesn't use his bitoics to levitate.
In Grissom Academy mission Shep bangs on the glass with his weapon WHILE Jack uses biotics to smash the glass.

There is no Shepard biotic CANNON. Shepard or more so the player can choose to be a biotic. It's a difference

Well yeah there is no biotic cannon.  It would be a helluva weapon though.

Joking aside, your point once again fails.  Even if Shepard is an adept in Shadow Broker or Grissom, Shepard does not use biotics.  Shepard never uses biotics in cutscenes even when you know for a fact Shepard is a biotic.  Shepard also always uses an avenger in cutscenes even if one should not or could not be equipped.  In ME3 I even saw my Revenant on my back when holding the ghost Avenger.  There isn't even a place for Shepard to put that Avenger when she was done with it which is besides the point that you can't dual wield assault rifles and I clearly had a Revenant on my back and was holding an Avenger.  Cutscenes are not lore.  Cutscenes are pure distilled artistic integrity.  

[Andy the Black]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

What about a Shepard who never chooses a Biotic bonus power? So they don't have Biotics.

Therefore, no. This is not canon.

This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

even if you decide not to pick/use that power, the potential is still there, and that potential requires some level of biotic ability

lol.

Having the potential to do something does not make it canon. I have the potential to play a female Shepard. That doesn't make my Shepard female.

Completely different situation.  You are comparing a fourth wall choice about us making a character to an ingame choice.  Fourth wall wise, Shepard could be a colonist, spacer, or earthborn.  Ingame that is already set and you cannot be anything else.  Shepard does not have to potential to change his/her history or sex.  Shepard can on the fly change to a biotic power whenever it suits him/her.  You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

Sorry but it is the same thing. If you chose to apply a bonuse power to a Shep who would not otherwise have it you are making an out of game choice. If you want to have a soldier Shep with a biotic bonus power and say s/he is a biotic then thats fine (I myself have an Infiltrator with Slam). But don't say all Sheps are biotic just because an out of game choice can be made to give them a biotic power.

It is not the same thing.  One thing is you as a player making a choice, Shepard sex.  The other something Shepard can change.  Shepard using biotics in game if you are not and Adept, Vanguard, or Sentinel is akin to going to the armory and changing your loadout.  That is something Shepard can change.  It is not the same thing.  Not even close.

It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

[M920CAIN]

silentassassin264 wrote...

M920CAIN wrote...


In Shadow Broker DLC Shep falls and doesn't use his bitoics to levitate.
In Grissom Academy mission Shep bangs on the glass with his weapon WHILE Jack uses biotics to smash the glass.

There is no Shepard biotic CANNON. Shepard or more so the player can choose to be a biotic. It's a difference

Well yeah there is no biotic cannon.  It would be a helluva weapon though.

Joking aside, your point once again fails.  Even if Shepard is an adept in Shadow Broker or Grissom, Shepard does not use biotics.  Shepard never uses biotics in cutscenes even when you know for a fact Shepard is a biotic.  Shepard also always uses an avenger in cutscenes even if one should not or could not be equipped.  In ME3 I even saw my Revenant on my back when holding the ghost Avenger.  There isn't even a place for Shepard to put that Avenger when she was done with it which is besides the point that you can't dual wield assault rifles and I clearly had a Revenant on my back and was holding an Avenger.  Cutscenes are not lore.  Cutscenes are pure distilled artistic integrity.  

I want a BIOTIC CANNON too !

Casey Hudson (the guy we all hate) stated that there's no canon shep multiple times. He more or less is what the player imagines him to be. Shep's strong and has the potential to beat all the odds. Biotic or not, he'll still get it done. That's the only thing canonical about shep, "doing what he has to do".

[silentassassin264]

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.  

[Randy1012]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.

And that's simply a gameplay mechanic. Gameplay is just a means to keep the story moving, to get from point A to point B. The story is what matters most, and the story does not treat Shepard as a biotic outside of a few inconsequential changes in dialogue.

[silentassassin264]

Randy1083 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.

And that's simply a gameplay mechanic. Gameplay is just a means to keep the story moving, to get from point A to point B. The story is what matters most, and the story does not treat Shepard as a biotic outside of a few inconsequential changes in dialogue.

Yeah the story that had a dreadnought in Earth's atmosphere.  I tell you what, if you want to go by the portion of the game that had the most holes in it versus the part with the most lore consistenecy, be my guest.

[Ledgend1221]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.

And that's simply a gameplay mechanic. Gameplay is just a means to keep the story moving, to get from point A to point B. The story is what matters most, and the story does not treat Shepard as a biotic outside of a few inconsequential changes in dialogue.

Yeah the story that had a dreadnought in Earth's atmosphere.  I tell you what, if you want to go by the portion of the game that had the most holes in it versus the part with the most lore consistenecy, be my guest.

That was a cruiser. 

[Andy the Black]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.  

It's just a gameplay mechanic, exactly the same as Skyward Sword's save points. Shep having the ability to swap out one biotic power for an other is, in fact, contrary to game lore.

[Strelsky]

The cybernetic implants allow him/her to do it. They are only available in ME2 and ME3 right?

Modifié par Strelsky, 13 août 2012 - 01:50 .

[arial]

Strelsky wrote...

The cybernetic implants allow him/her to do it. They are only available in ME2 and ME3 right?

nope, ME1 had the same thing (With Warp and Singularity).

Biotic powers require Biotic ability, and since the Biotic bonus powers can be assigned to any class, every Shepard must have some level of biotic ability

[Andy the Black]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.

And that's simply a gameplay mechanic. Gameplay is just a means to keep the story moving, to get from point A to point B. The story is what matters most, and the story does not treat Shepard as a biotic outside of a few inconsequential changes in dialogue.

Yeah the story that had a dreadnought in Earth's atmosphere.  I tell you what, if you want to go by the portion of the game that had the most holes in it versus the part with the most lore consistenecy, be my guest.

That was a cruiser. 

No it was a dreadnought. However the codex only says "it is impossible to safely land them on a planet" not that they could not do it out right and never says they can't enter a planet's atmosphere.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 13 août 2012 - 01:56 .

[silentassassin264]

Strelsky wrote...

The cybernetic implants allow him/her to do it. They are only available in ME2 and ME3 right?

Nope you had it in ME1.  You couldn't switch on a whim but you had singularity spamming Soldiers.

Rojahar wrote...

What makes you think the bonus power optional gameplay gimmick is in any way necessarily canon?

By the OP's logic, Shepard is canonly an Asari Ardat Yakshi, because you have the option to use Morinth's bonus power.

 
Morinth's dominate power came from sheer strength of will not from being an Ardat Yakshi.  At least According to Samara.

Ledgend1221 wrote...

That was a cruiser. 

 
Ashley yelled dreadnought but crusiers can't enter either if Earth is a medium gravity world.  

[Ledgend1221]

Andy the Black wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...
It is the same. Adding a power to your class through an option called bonus powers is an out of game choice. Shep does not go in to the lab/med bay a say "today I think I'll give myself the ability to use Barrier". The player is making an out of game choice to augment the PC's class with a power otherwise unavailable to them. Changing weapon loadout is making an in game choice for Shep in which weapons he wants to use, no different from him chosing who to take with him on missions.

Did you not play the game?  You literally go to the the med bay and say, "I want to use barrier today".  It is a choice that Shepard can change on a whim.

And that's simply a gameplay mechanic. Gameplay is just a means to keep the story moving, to get from point A to point B. The story is what matters most, and the story does not treat Shepard as a biotic outside of a few inconsequential changes in dialogue.

Yeah the story that had a dreadnought in Earth's atmosphere.  I tell you what, if you want to go by the portion of the game that had the most holes in it versus the part with the most lore consistenecy, be my guest.

That was a cruiser. 

No it was a dreadnought. However the codex only says "that it is impossible to safely land them on a planet" not that they could not do it out right and never says they can't enter a planets atmosphere.

It looks like a cruiser, therfore it is a cruiser.

[Luxure]

Lolno. Shepard Soldier is canon. I play only Adept, since my first ME1 playthrough, FYI.

[Tealjaker94]

I would say that Shepard's "canon" class is possibly the most pointless thing to argue about.

[silentassassin264]

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

[Tealjaker94]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

Why the hell does it matter?