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[Conniving_Eagle]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Kai Leng had plot shields on. NOTHING would have done anything to him.

What about plot-piercing bullets? Shepard had them during the Citadel coup, but they were saving them incase they had to kill the VS to stop Udina.

[silentassassin264]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

Why the hell does it matter?

Why does having a LI matter?  Why does anything about this game matter?  

Because I am playing it.

[Tealjaker94]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

Why the hell does it matter?

Why does having a LI matter?  Why does anything about this game matter?  

Because I am playing it.

But being a biotic has absolutely zero effect on the story. 

[silentassassin264]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

Why the hell does it matter?

Why does having a LI matter?  Why does anything about this game matter?  

Because I am playing it.

But being a biotic has absolutely zero effect on the story. 

Neither does having a LI.

[Tealjaker94]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

Why the hell does it matter?

Why does having a LI matter?  Why does anything about this game matter?  

Because I am playing it.

But being a biotic has absolutely zero effect on the story. 

Neither does having a LI.

I consider all interaction with the LI part of the story. Biotics only impact the gameplay.

[Slayer299]

According to Chris L'Etioile this is how it works for Shepard being a biotic

"Optimal" doesn't necessarily mean that everyone gets their implants at puberty. Also keep in mind that the printed Galactic Codex was written by Microsoft based on our internal docs. While we did have a chance to edit it, we had only a couple of days while we were all working crunch to get the game finished. In the event of a discrepency between the print codex and the in-game dialogue and codex, defer to what's said in-game. *cracks open the dev team's timeline doc*

2151 - A shipping accident at Singapore International Spaceport exposes downwind communities to containers of dust-form element zero. [Kaidan exposed in utero to element zero] Alliance begins construction of Arcturus Station.

2152 - Roughly 30% of the children born in Singapore after element zero exposure suffer from cancerous growths. 70% seem normal.

2154 - Shepard is born; apparently was exposed in utero to element zero.

2156 - Some children of Singapore exhibit minor telekinetic abilities.

2158 - Humans learn potential of biotics. Original exposures now actively tracked. Roughly 10% of the initial exposed children show some level of biotic ability. Kaidan and Shepard not detected.

2160 - Conatix Ind. contracted to develop biotics program. BAaT training established on Jump Zero.

2163 - Earliest human-compatible biotic implants attempted. L1 implants yield minimal results due to late implantation. Accidental exposures too infrequent to contribute to research in a meaningful way. Second generation exposures "arranged" in a number of drive system failures over populated areas.

2166 - Turian "expert" brought in to Jump Zero to oversee biotic program.

2167 - L2 implants created. Kaidan among first to get the new implants. His potential increases dramatically but with discomfort. Others yield "unfortunate" results.

2168 - Shepard, 14 years old, received secondary exposure to element zero. Permanent biotic inclination manifests.

2169 - Kaidan, 17 years old, accidentally kills trainer after being provoked. Diplomatic incident forces closure of BAaT training. Kaidan refuses further training.

2170 - Biotic training assumed by military and select private R&D companies, renamed divisions of original Conatix Industries. L3 implants created.

2171 - Shepard officially detected as a biotic and fitted with L3 implants at 17.

2173 - Kaidan returns to military on his own terms. One of the few original biotics from the BAaT program that remains "stable." Refuses retrofit.

You can find the direct link here

edit - added link

Modifié par Slayer299, 13 août 2012 - 02:15 .

[silentassassin264]

[quote]Tealjaker94 wrote...

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I consider all interaction with the LI part of the story. Biotics only impact the gameplay.

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If you consider interaction with the LI part of the story then you are RPing since it has literally no other effect.  Being biotic matters because I am RPing.  Considering it is supposed to be a Role playing game and we are role playing, there is no problem either way.  

[Tealjaker94]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I consider all interaction with the LI part of the story. Biotics only impact the gameplay.

If you consider interaction with the LI part of the story then you are RPing since it has literally no other effect.  Being biotic matters because I am RPing.  Considering it is supposed to be a Role playing game and we are role playing, there is no problem either way.  

I get that but why does it matter if it's canon? I'm not about to start arguing that any LI is canon.

[silentassassin264]

Why does the Paragon or Renegade matter when you win either way (or lose depending on your jadedness)? It just does. There has to be a legit reason why my soldier can flay people alive with her brain in my role playing. If you don't care then fine.

[arial]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I am not arguing what Shepard's canon class is. I am saying that Shepard is a biotic regardless. All Asari are biotics but not all of them are trained in combat. The same with this. A soldier Shepard likely had next to no biotic training but is still a biotic.

im saying the exact same thing

[Jonata]

Liara also does mention Shepard's biotic abilities if he's a Vanguard or Sentinel, as well as Traynor does right before the Grissom Academy ("you could have been there too if it was created earlier") so it's not just a gameplay thing.

While there's no such thing as a "canon Shepard", a Biotic Shepard is absolutely taken in consideration by both the developers and the actual characters in-gaming. The player doesn't even need to RP the other characters' reaction, BioWare put them there.

[arial]

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

[Jamie9]

arial wrote...

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

And it's simply not true. Hell, bonus powers aren't even available on your original playthrough.

So if my Shepard was a solider (he was), he literally did not have access to biotic powers. Do you know why? Because he has 0 biotic potential. Zilch. Nada. And he doesn't take Red Sand either.

[3DandBeyond]

D24O wrote...

Harbinger is the canon LI.

So he was actually saying, "love me"?

[Obvakhi]

-Shepard is seen holding an assault rifle in all 3 games.
-Shepard never uses biotics in cutscenes
-Default Shepard is always Soldier

Sounds to me like non-biotic Shepard is canon.
And I wouldn't even consider a 'bonus' power as canon.... only your starting set of powers.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 13 août 2012 - 03:27 .

[Jamie9]

3DandBeyond wrote...

D24O wrote...

Harbinger is the canon LI.

So he was actually saying, "love me"?

Yep, and just like the VS gives you the cold shoulder in ME2, Harby gives Shepard the cold shoulder in ME3.

Join the Alliance? No, that just won't sit with Harby. He's jealous of Hackett, you see.

[arial]

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

And it's simply not true. Hell, bonus powers aren't even available on your original playthrough.

So if my Shepard was a solider (he was), he literally did not have access to biotic powers. Do you know why? Because he has 0 biotic potential. Zilch. Nada. And he doesn't take Red Sand either.

you don't get it, I am NOT talking about a class.

I saying he has Biotic Powers even if he chooses not to use them.

Using your Logic, If you never give your Shepard a shotgun, he must not know how to use a shotgun.


The Fact that Bonus powers of Biotic Nature are avaliable to all of Shepards classes, it means all Shepard have Biotic Potential, even if they choose never to use them or have never been trained to use them properly

Modifié par arial, 13 août 2012 - 04:03 .

[Apple Lantern]

This is a gameplay/story discontinuity. Those just picking up the game and using a default Soldier class would not have access to biotics. You only get them as a bonus ability from completing the game or a certain portion of it.

In other words, you're reading into it too much.

[DPSSOC]

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

And it's simply not true. Hell, bonus powers aren't even available on your original playthrough.

So if my Shepard was a solider (he was), he literally did not have access to biotic powers. Do you know why? Because he has 0 biotic potential. Zilch. Nada. And he doesn't take Red Sand either.

Actually it is true.  Kaiden will point out in ME1 that he spikes higher than most L3's, except you.  He says this regardless of what class you've taken.  You can be a Soldier and he'll say it, an Engineer and he'll say it, or an Infiltrator and he'll say it.  So not only is Shepard a biotic regardless of your class but he/she's actually quite powerful.  Choosing a non-biotic class just means Shepard's never trained those abilities to the point they're useable in combat, until/unless picking up a biotic bonus power.

[arial]

Nyxeris wrote...

This is a gameplay/story discontinuity. Those just picking up the game and using a default Soldier class would not have access to biotics. You only get them as a bonus ability from completing the game or a certain portion of it.

In other words, you're reading into it too much.

I realize this, but even after you unlock it, to use a Biotic ability you have to have some Biotic Potential.

its not like anyone can use Biotics, but that fact that those bonus powers are biotic in nature, and biotic skills are only usable by biotics, means Shepard must have some level of Biotics.

Sure you can say your Shepard does not because He is a Soldier etc. but that simply means he chooses not to use this Talent, not that he does not have it.

[arial]

DPSSOC wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

And it's simply not true. Hell, bonus powers aren't even available on your original playthrough.

So if my Shepard was a solider (he was), he literally did not have access to biotic powers. Do you know why? Because he has 0 biotic potential. Zilch. Nada. And he doesn't take Red Sand either.

Actually it is true.  Kaiden will point out in ME1 that he spikes higher than most L3's, except you.  He says this regardless of what class you've taken.  You can be a Soldier and he'll say it, an Engineer and he'll say it, or an Infiltrator and he'll say it.  So not only is Shepard a biotic regardless of your class but he/she's actually quite powerful.  Choosing a non-biotic class just means Shepard's never trained those abilities to the point they're useable in combat, until/unless picking up a biotic bonus power.

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[Andy the Black]

DPSSOC wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

And it's simply not true. Hell, bonus powers aren't even available on your original playthrough.

So if my Shepard was a solider (he was), he literally did not have access to biotic powers. Do you know why? Because he has 0 biotic potential. Zilch. Nada. And he doesn't take Red Sand either.

Actually it is true.  Kaiden will point out in ME1 that he spikes higher than most L3's, except you.  He says this regardless of what class you've taken.  You can be a Soldier and he'll say it, an Engineer and he'll say it, or an Infiltrator and he'll say it.  So not only is Shepard a biotic regardless of your class but he/she's actually quite powerful.  Choosing a non-biotic class just means Shepard's never trained those abilities to the point they're useable in combat, until/unless picking up a biotic bonus power.

Actually, I'm pretty sure this was confirmed to be a balls up on the part of the dev team, they left this line of dialogue in for non-biotic Sheps by accident.

Talk to Kaiden in the Huerta Memorial Hospital about what hes been doing and he'll tell you he's been working to train biotic soldiers and how human biotics are looked on as freaks by other humans. This dialogue changes depending on whether Shep is biotic or not.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 13 août 2012 - 04:21 .

[arial]

DPSSOC wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

arial wrote...

Guys, I am not saying that any particular class is Canon, Im simply saying Shepard having some degree of Biotic power is canon, even if he/she does not use that power.

And it's simply not true. Hell, bonus powers aren't even available on your original playthrough.

So if my Shepard was a solider (he was), he literally did not have access to biotic powers. Do you know why? Because he has 0 biotic potential. Zilch. Nada. And he doesn't take Red Sand either.

Actually it is true.  Kaiden will point out in ME1 that he spikes higher than most L3's, except you.  He says this regardless of what class you've taken.  You can be a Soldier and he'll say it, an Engineer and he'll say it, or an Infiltrator and he'll say it.  So not only is Shepard a biotic regardless of your class but he/she's actually quite powerful.  Choosing a non-biotic class just means Shepard's never trained those abilities to the point they're useable in combat, until/unless picking up a biotic bonus power.

I just started a ME1 game to confirm this, so yes,i can confirm this

[Mahrac]

Shepard doesn't use biotics in cutscenes. Non-biotic is Canon.