252 réponses à ce sujet

[BlueSandBristow]

What does happen is almost every AI is dangerous for organics.

[Nightwriter]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

I did read your post. There is no point standing by EDI if we don't think the Starsquirt is full of crap.

[MegaSovereign]

Death by exile!

[Bill Casey]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

What does happen is almost every AI is dangerous for organics.

They really aren't...

[BlueSandBristow]

Nightwriter wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

I did read your post. There is no point standing by EDI if we don't think the Starsquirt is full of crap.

EDI is not very different from the Godkid. Both are rogue AIs. If she decides to think like Godkid, then we have an AI threat all over again.

Modifié par BlueSandBristow, 13 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[Bill Casey]

Yes, she is very different from the Catalyst...
You're being racist...

[Baa Baa]

Nightwriter wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

My bigger problem is with the Geth biting it: I saved them! And now my Shepard is a mass murderer!

Yep. The game undoes one of the most uplifting achievements you make right tharr.

I think it is the most uplifting achievement.
Hell, brokering a peace with the Geth and Quarians and just cutting the game off right there sounds good to me.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 13 août 2012 - 04:26 .

[Mr.House]

No she does not.

[Omanisat]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

Yes, she could be a threat. Garrus could snap, become Tyrant King of the Turians and declare genocidal war on the rest of the galaxy. It's not at all likely. But it could happen. So should I kill him too?

[BlueSandBristow]

Bill Casey wrote...

Yes, she is very different from the Catalyst...
You're being racist...

They both rebeled against their creators. AI is immortal and if they see our flaws, they will try to kill us all. Listen to Javik. He has very smart words about this.

[Saberchic]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

Shepard has reaper tech installed. So by your own logic, Shep needs to be killed after he/she survives the Destroy ending.

[BlueSandBristow]

Omanisat wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

Yes, she could be a threat. Garrus could snap, become Tyrant King of the Turians and declare genocidal war on the rest of the galaxy. It's not at all likely. But it could happen. So should I kill him too?

Garrus is with me from the beginning of the series. Also, because he is organic, he can relate to me much better. He won't think other organics are threats.

[Bill Casey]

I'm autistic...
I relate more to the synthetic characters than the organic ones...

[justafan]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Yes, she is very different from the Catalyst...
You're being racist...

They both rebeled against their creators. AI is immortal and if they see our flaws, they will try to kill us all. Listen to Javik. He has very smart words about this.

EDI however is not immortal,  she will die with the Normandy since that is where her blue box is stored.  Geth could potentially be a problem since they have no constraints on their movement, expansion, and a shoddy record of violence against organics.  EDI on the other hand never violently rebelled, and shows no inclination towards violence towards organics.  Quite the contrary, she is very human in her thought process and sympathetic to organics, going so far as to date one.

Modifié par justafan, 13 août 2012 - 04:32 .

[Foolsfolly]

Does she deserve to die in the Destroy ending?

No. The only people that deserve their deaths in that ending are the Reapers. Everyone else is a sacrifice. Including the entire geth race.

[LucasShark]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

- People exist
- a nuclear bomb exists somewhere on earth
- we must therefore kill all people to prevent the bomb being used

does that make sense?  No, no it shouldn't, and nor does that.

[Nightwriter]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

I did read your post. There is no point standing by EDI if we don't think the Starsquirt is full of crap.

EDI is not very different from the Godkid. Both are rogue AIs. If she decides to think like Godkid, then we have an AI threat all over again.

And you have to trust that that won't happen based on the journey of self-discovery you have helped EDI through since game two.

BioWare wants you to believe the Starsquirt, that is plain. Your only recourse is your own headcanon.

You have two choices: you can believe that your efforts in Mass Effect mattered, that you achieved something, that the lives you touched are going to make a difference, and that this cycle won't be like the last.

Or you can believe the word of a last minute brain fart of BioWare's, a strange AI who wants you to believe something that will render your achievements meaningless.

If you believe your actions had meaning, trust EDI. If you believe they were meaningless, trust the Starsquirt.

Ironically, Destroy is the closest you can come to telling the Starsquirt he's full of sh*t, and it's also the ending where EDI dies. Almost like we were being trolled.

[BlueSandBristow]

Machines don't think like us. They use logic, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous. Machines don't care about civilians and children. They don't feel emotion. That makes EDI more dangerous than any organic. She can't feel, and she can keep killing without remorse. Javik makes this very clear.

Modifié par BlueSandBristow, 13 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[Ticonderoga117]

NO.

No one deserves to die in destroy. They only do because the writer(s) wanted to make it a "deep morality choice that has no clear winner" because to hell with common sense!

An Artificial Intelligence (AI) is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision making. Creation of a conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a "blue box".

The bolded above is EDI. Everything else can be scrapped, destroyed, and replaced, and with that bluebox, everything is fine and dandy, you still have EDI. Her personality, her quirks.

Now, I'm going to make an assumption here. The Reaper tech TIM found cannot be directly integrated into the bluebox because of it's specialized nature. Plus, it would be smart to have buffers between the ancient evil alien tech and the AI you want to help run your frigate.
Thus, when the red wave of something hits the Reaper tech, it destroys that, probably causes EDI to go into shutdown to protect herself. The end. Replace broken bits with new ones, removed charred Reaper tech, flip switch, and voila! EDI is back, she just can't do the IFF thing or any of the Reaper abilities. But she's still herself.

Now, the Geth don't have blueboxes, nor do they have integrated Reaper tech. They use Reaper code. 0's and 1's (if they use the same architecture type we use today). Red EM wave CANNOT detect that those 1's and 0's are "reaperized". Ever. Impossible. Can't do it. At best, it causes an EMP like effect and... well that might be a pain for some, but ships need to be shielded against that anyway.

Thus, the writers don't give two cares for common sense or science, and instead, wanted to do the above.

[BlueSandBristow]

Nightwriter wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

I did read your post. There is no point standing by EDI if we don't think the Starsquirt is full of crap.

EDI is not very different from the Godkid. Both are rogue AIs. If she decides to think like Godkid, then we have an AI threat all over again.

And you have to trust that that won't happen based on the journey of self-discovery you have helped EDI through since game two.

BioWare wants you to believe the Starsquirt, that is plain. Your only recourse is your own headcanon.

You have two choices: you can believe that your efforts in Mass Effect mattered, that you achieved something, that the lives you touched are going to make a difference, and that this cycle won't be like the last.

Or you can believe the word of a last minute brain fart of BioWare's, a strange AI who wants you to believe something that will render your achievements meaningless.

If you believe your actions had meaning, trust EDI. If you believe they were meaningless, trust the Starsquirt.

Ironically, Destroy is the closest you can come to telling the Starsquirt he's full of sh*t, and it's also the ending where EDI dies. Almost like we were being trolled.

She isn't fighting us now because the Reapers are bigger threat. Without the Reapers, she can be very dangerous. Like Reapers, she does not pity us and can't relate to us. Listen to Javik. He has lots of experience and I trust him more than anyone.

[Ticonderoga117]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Machines don't think like us. They use logic, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous. Machines don't care about civilians and children. They don't feel emotion. That makes EDI more dangerous than any organic. She can't feel, and she can keep killing without remorse. Javik makes this very clear.

BS.
EDI cares about Joker in ME2 even without having the body or Synthesis.
She also shows she is willing to DIE, to cease functioning, to protect the crew in ME3.

[Nightwriter]

Baa Baa wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

My bigger problem is with the Geth biting it: I saved them! And now my Shepard is a mass murderer!

Yep. The game undoes one of the most uplifting achievements you make right tharr.

I think it is the most uplifting achievement.
Hell, brokering a peace with the Geth and Quarians and just cutting the game off right there sounds good to me.

It was one of the most fulfilling moments in my videogaming experience. Somehow BioWare got inside my mind and worked the right magic and a flood of endorphins were actually released in my brain and quickly jumped from synapse to synapse until it had become a warm glowy feeling that spread out. It was glorious.

[LucasShark]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Machines don't think like us. They use logic, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous. Machines don't care about civilians and children. They don't feel emotion. That makes EDI more dangerous than any organic. She can't feel, and she can keep killing without remorse. Javik makes this very clear.

Wish you would...

ANd oh yes: Javik is such an expert on the psycology of machines and totally unbiased... I mean he only fought a war with the prothean's own machines so he's totally unbiased toward that subject right?

[Mcfly616]

Huh? Ofcourse she doesn't "deserve" to die.....its an unfortunate consequence of destroying all Reaper tech.....collateral damage

[Bill Casey]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Listen to Javik. He has lots of experience and I trust him more than anyone.

Javik has lots of experience fighting the Reapers...
He's a Reaper war expert...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 août 2012 - 04:51 .