LucasShark wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
LucasShark wrote...
BlueSandBristow wrote...
LucasShark wrote...
BlueSandBristow wrote...
Machines don't think like us. They use logic, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous. Machines don't care about civilians and children. They don't feel emotion. That makes EDI more dangerous than any organic. She can't feel, and she can keep killing without remorse. Javik makes this very clear.
Wish you would...
ANd oh yes: Javik is such an expert on the psycology of machines and totally unbiased... I mean he only fought a war with the prothean's own machines so he's totally unbiased toward that subject right?
Bias or no bias, his reasoning is very deep and true, and has not been proved wrong.
- Peace with geth - proven wrong right there
- Edi's willingness to sacrafice to save Joker, a notably flawed human - demonstrated wrong again
- A bias toward a conclusion precludes that the resulting conclusion cannot be "deep" as you put it, and an emotional, not a logical term - three strikes, farewell.
Oversimplification. Both Javik and the Catalyst would rebut your first two points by asking you "Yes, but for how long?" The issue is that the peace never lasts and is a brief, temporary exception to the rule. The Catalyst should know since it was his job to broker peace between AIs and Organics for who knows how long.
It would be like a Casino owner (The Catalyst) who's seen countless gambles and the money to prove it saying:
"In the end, the house always wins"
Then some gambling noob coming along (Shepard) replying:
"You're totally wrong, I just gambled for my first time and won!!! The house doesn't always win meaning gambling is a good investment for me!"
The Casino owner laugh then says:
An appeal to probability is not a logical argument in this instance: as you can state the same for virtually any set of circumstances concievable which isn't self-contradictory.
You can for instance make a case for some day it being possible for pigs to fly, pigs evolve afterall, genetic engineering, etc, that is a quantifiable possibility, and if you wait long enough yes "for how long" will work here too.
You can't use "for how long" as a totalitarian game-ender as it is uncertain and undemonstratable, just as I can say "for how long" will "when pigs fly" be a legitimat eexpression?
An example of self-contradiction would be something like "a table made of insomnia", a statement which makes no sense.
What the Catalyst (moreso than Javik, who's opinions are based off Prothean/Organic prejudice towards AIs) is getting at is:
a) The possibility of Synthetics wiping out Organics is high based on it's own experiences and the events which followed during the 37+ million years its Reaped. If the Catalysts theory could have been proven wrong, I think it would have happened at some point in its huge lifespan.
That the result could definitely lead to the Galactic extinction and genocidal eradication of all organic life for the rest of time by an organic race. Something there is no coming back from.
I use the gambling analogy because its very close in theory and probability if the Catalyst is to be believed (which it should, since it has so many chances to lie or trick Shepard).
a) The extreme likelyhood is that you will lose all the money you bet in a Casino. No matter how many exceptions there are to the rule, the Casino always makes a net profit off the floor. That's essentially proven everyday because Casino's are big business, always turning a profit if people walk in the door.
The result of this can be somone winning a jackpot or a high stakes card game, only to lose not only their winnings, but everything they own to the Casino. "The house always wins."
The evolution example you use is not the same as above, because it suggests the likely hood of AI/Organic confrontation is small when indeed its not. The fact is if AIs don't start it Organics would out of fear, greed, protectionism etc.
Time doesn't matter to the Catalyst, only the probability and eventuality of something which would make its original purpose/programming redundant. Governing organic/synthetics relations wouldn't make sense if organic life and promordial goo ceased to exist would it? Although Reaping is a totally currupt version of it's original purpose "morally," the Catalyst is still logically carrying out its orginal function (via controlled culling of advanced races) the only way it thinks it can. That's of course until Shepard comes along and slaps a big Crubible on the Citadel.
Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 13 août 2012 - 05:49 .
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