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[Baronesa]

No, she does not deserve to die.

Now... take your posts and replace a chosen word

BlueSandBristow wrote...
Machines don't think like us. They use logic, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.

Let's modify it and expose your bigotry, shall we?



Atheists don't think like us. They use ungodliness, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Blacks don't think like us. They use mumbojumbo, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Asians don't think like us. They use mumbojumbo, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Muslims don't think like us. They use their religion, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Christians don't think like us. They use their religion, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Socialists don't think like us. They use socialism, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Fascists don't think like us. They use fascism, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.



Uhmmm your argument seems to work for many things. Fascinating!!

BlueSandBristow wrote...

How can you use race to describe machines? They are built for their creator's purpose. When a machine is no longer needed for it's purpose, why can't we shut it down? Machines are our creations and they can be very dangerous. EDI is designed for warfare purpose and she can be deadly if she revolt.

Machines? sure... self aware machines? You are talking slavery. Bravo sir... you become more and more repugnant with each post.

What will happen when we clone humans... they are created by our purposes, should we also be able to simply destroy them on a whim? What about the Replicants from Blade Runner...

What about Miranda? She is organic, but she was bio engineered... so her origin is synthetic... she was CREATED for a reason... and she rebelled against her creator.

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

Yes, she could be a threat. Garrus could snap, become Tyrant King of the Turians and declare genocidal war on the rest of the galaxy. It's not at all likely. But it could happen. So should I kill him too?

Garrus is with me from the beginning of the series. Also, because he is organic, he can relate to me much better. He won't think other organics are threats.

He was with you from the beginning... so what?

What if he snaps and becomes a mass murderer. The HATE between Salarians, Turiansm and Krogan is very real... being organics don't make them less hateful. The hatred and fear toward the Rachni.

And, what is to say there won't be a Pol Pot raising to power on Earth? or an equivalent on Sur'Kesh? Or maybe a Turian that hates humans like Desolas and Saren...

So is it ok to think that things MAY go wrong because synthetics are different, but applying the same logic to organics have you take a pause? That is bigotry.

Modifié par Baronesa, 13 août 2012 - 10:22 .

[Reikilea]

For that robotic fembot sexi body. Yes. And I am even not feeling bad for thinking it.

For what she was before she got turned into one of the most annoying sci-fi cliches ever, no. She was like Jane in the Ender series. And they did that... The body has to go, the personality can stay.

[Helios969]

Seeing the name of this thread I immediately thought of that line from Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven:  Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

[Jayleia]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Racist troll is racist...

How can you use race to describe machines? They are built for their creator's purpose. When a machine is no longer needed for it's purpose, why can't we shut it down? Machines are our creations and they can be very dangerous. EDI is designed for warfare purpose and she can be deadly if she revolt.

And when they develop sapience/sentience, they are no longer merely machines, they are alive.

[Someone With Mass]

No, but both her and the geth were completely fine with giving up their existence to stop the Reapers.

[Jayleia]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Yes, she is very different from the Catalyst...
You're being racist...

They both rebeled against their creators. AI is immortal and if they see our flaws, they will try to kill us all. Listen to Javik. He has very smart words about this.

One rebelled against its organic creators because its an evil, insane nutbar of an AI.

The other rebelled against its organic creator because their creators were evil insane nutbars of organics.

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER!

[Samtheman63]

Jayleia wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Racist troll is racist...

How can you use race to describe machines? They are built for their creator's purpose. When a machine is no longer needed for it's purpose, why can't we shut it down? Machines are our creations and they can be very dangerous. EDI is designed for warfare purpose and she can be deadly if she revolt.

And when they develop sapience/sentience, they are no longer merely machines, they are alive.

no, they are not

[Pitznik]

EDI doesn't deserve to die, she did nothing wrong and proved that she is both a person and an ally. How is that even a question?

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, no. I honestly can't see why you'd think otherwise.

As for the "It's an AI, so it might be the next big threat"... well, if you bought that coming from Godchild, I've got a bridge to sell...

[Lilihierax Krinik]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Jayleia wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Racist troll is racist...

How can you use race to describe machines? They are built for their creator's purpose. When a machine is no longer needed for it's purpose, why can't we shut it down? Machines are our creations and they can be very dangerous. EDI is designed for warfare purpose and she can be deadly if she revolt.

And when they develop sapience/sentience, they are no longer merely machines, they are alive.

no, they are not

Yes they are. Explain me why not. 

[Podge 90]

Of course she didn't deserve to die, don't be silly. But she would have volunteered her sacrifice if it is the only way to actually defeat the Reapers.

[mjb203]

No, she didn't. Just like the geth, it was a stupid thing tacked on to the Destroy ending so there wouldn't be a "best" ending.

Edit:  I also thing this is as bad as not being able to *Dragon Age 2 spoilers incoming*
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save Hawke's mother from the crazy mage.  They took that out because otherwise, they said, everyone would pick it.  Which is a stupid reason to make it that way.

Modifié par mjb203, 13 août 2012 - 12:14 .

[pawswithclaws]

No, EDI deserves cake. Preferably one that isn't a lie.

[Wayning_Star]

well the answer lies in the idea that she is 'alive' and why and who can play the game that doesn't include her/it in the scheme of things. She's a human creation, if we cannot take responsibility for it, then yes, she can be destroyed without hesitation. If she/it does qualify as 'life' then its a value judgement as to her/it's disposability. Also, if she/it is capable of sacraficing herself/it's self..oh,well, self is a relative term, she can be sacraficed for the better of all those who do survive via decision.

But all in all, the destroy choice is moot, cause the reapers will return and the cycle repeats. Billions of years of evidence promotes that belief. Some can disregard it for simplicity of decision, but it's a given that destroy does not remove the reaper threat. Technology IS the reaper threat, not just only in the form of the reapers. The NEED for technology IS the reaper threat...

Edit: The organic life intelligence that requires tools to exist, will undoubtedly design tools better as/at life than organics, who are basically tools with the ability to function independently of their environment.
 
We pick our leaders/users randomly on the chance of better survivability. We compete with each other as much as we do with other life forms we hope to co exist with.... hopefully.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 13 août 2012 - 12:46 .

[Baronesa]

Amazing... luddites using computers... what is next?

[Jere85]

No, and neither do the Geth.

[BDelacroix]

So because someone has a potential to do wrong, they must be eliminated. I'm glad we don't run our justice system on that or there would be 1 person left in the nation.

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes they are. Explain me why not.

You made that claim. That means that you have to prove it.

You can't just go around making absurd claims, and ask others to accept them as true unless they can prove them wrong...

[You've heard of Russel's teapot, right?]

[JesseLee202]

EDI doesn't deserve to die, but that doesn't change the fact I will blow it up along with the Geth. In the end, they are just machines... unless you pick synthesis...

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Does anyone think EDI deserved her death in Destroy? I'm a bit glad she dies, honestly. Without the Reapers around, if she was alive, she might be the next AI threat we must deal with. She has Reaper tech and stuff, so I don't think it would be safe if she survived Destroy.

Deserve no, but thats what makes it so hard to sacrifice her, but no matter who dies Destroy is the better option, hell if it wiped out all life for that cycle Destroy would still be the better option.

[Little Princess Peach]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Does anyone think EDI deserved her death in Destroy? I'm a bit glad she dies, honestly. Without the Reapers around, if she was alive, she might be the next AI threat we must deal with. She has Reaper tech and stuff, so I don't think it would be safe if she survived Destroy.

But you do realise in Destroy will be using Reaper tech to fix the Relays and other stuff right?, even though the Reapers are dead there systems are still salvagable

[Little Princess Peach]

JesseLee202 wrote...

EDI doesn't deserve to die, but that doesn't change the fact I will blow it up along with the Geth. In the end, they are just machines... unless you pick synthesis...

if you are self aware then you are alive just because they are not flesh and blood dose not mean they are not beings of a diffrent sort , you dont need synthesis for that

[CrimsonN7]

EDI was always a meh character in my eyes, didn't really bother me that she died in destroy, I was more pissed off about the Geth, took alot of work to get em to co-operate with the Quarians and all. But I don't think they were all wiped out, they can be rebuilt and the Catalyst is a pretty banged up A.I so I call bull**** on alot of his theories anyway. Now Legions death was a pointless one.

[NM_Che56]

Deserve? No. But it was an acceptable sacrifice.