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[Factor P]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Does anyone think EDI deserved her death in Destroy? I'm a bit glad she dies, honestly. Without the Reapers around, if she was alive, she might be the next AI threat we must deal with. She has Reaper tech and stuff, so I don't think it would be safe if she survived Destroy.

Did she deserve to die? NO.
Did she have to die? Yes.

EDI and the Geth were AIs with Reaper Code. I don't care if they're sympathetic with organics. They are corrupted whether they are aware of it or not. AI with Reaper code = Reaper.

Without the Reaper code, there would have been no justification to destroy them. They didn't deserve to die.

[Legion of 1337]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Yes they are. Explain me why not.

You made that claim. That means that you have to prove it.

You can't just go around making absurd claims, and ask others to accept them as true unless they can prove them wrong...

[You've heard of Russel's teapot, right?]

Actually you can, and we do it all the time - it's called religion

Sorry, couldn't resist taking a jab at that.

On topic: no, but the Reapers do so I'm willing to make that trade

Modifié par Legion of 1337, 13 août 2012 - 07:13 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Yakko77 wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

But is being sentient morally equivalent to being "alive"?

Does it matter?

The sentience is the important part, no?

It probably should be but if the internet suddenly aquired enough processing power or whatever and declared itself "sentient" would you regard it as alive?  A being with Rights and entitled to the same liberties as you and I?

Yes. Without the slightest hesitation.

[Rafficus III]

No, I believe they tossed that in to level the playing field.

[Siansonea]

I dunno, if I unplug my toaster, does it "die"? EDI is a glorified sex doll. We'll make more.

[D24O]

Siansonea II wrote...

I dunno, if I unplug my toaster, does it "die"? EDI is a glorified sex doll. We'll make more.

Y u establish false dichotomies Dolan. Toasters and sex dolls can't question teir existance, or try to form an understanding of the world and their place in it as an "other". Those arguments are b******* and you know it, don't try to pretend EDI is just a household appliance to make yourself feel better about killing her.

[syllogi]

How many sapient beings have already died because of the Reapers? Is EDI worth more than any/all of them?

When it comes to EDI's entire role in ME3:
If EDI's voice sounded "male", would you think letting it use the sexbot body is a good idea?
If EDI had uploaded to a nonsexualized body, would you approve of it pursuing a relationship with Joker?
If EDI had not gotten a body at all, would it's death matter to you?

[Legion of 1337]

syllogi wrote...

How many sapient beings have already died because of the Reapers? Is EDI worth more than any/all of them?

When it comes to EDI's entire role in ME3:
If EDI's voice sounded "male", would you think letting it use the sexbot body is a good idea?
If EDI had uploaded to a nonsexualized body, would you approve of it pursuing a relationship with Joker?
If EDI had not gotten a body at all, would it's death matter to you?

This is an issue I have with EDI: it is synthetic. It does not have a sex drive. So how can it be attracted to Joker?
And since synthetics do not have genders, could EDI become attracted to anyone? Would it be attracted to Joker even if its vocalizations were male? Because Joker likely would not be.

It's fine to make an AI more organic-like, but having it get into a relationship doesn't make sense. I suppose it's possible for an AI to enjoy company, but it cannot be romantically attracted.

[Baronesa]

syllogi wrote...

How many sapient beings have already died because of the Reapers? Is EDI worth more than any/all of them?

When it comes to EDI's entire role in ME3:
If EDI's voice sounded "male", would you think letting it use the sexbot body is a good idea?
If EDI had uploaded to a nonsexualized body, would you approve of it pursuing a relationship with Joker?
If EDI had not gotten a body at all, would it's death matter to you?

Yes
Yes
and
Yes

[Siansonea]

D24O wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I dunno, if I unplug my toaster, does it "die"? EDI is a glorified sex doll. We'll make more.

Y u establish false dichotomies Dolan. Toasters and sex dolls can't question teir existance, or try to form an understanding of the world and their place in it as an "other". Those arguments are b******* and you know it, don't try to pretend EDI is just a household appliance to make yourself feel better about killing her.

Who's "Dolan"?

I don't care if the software known as EDI thinks it's alive, I'm prioritizing beings that actually ARE alive. If EDI doesn't respond to a hard reboot, no skin off my nose.  ::shrugs::

[Jimmyson3]

In my game the robots all seemed pretty nice. The quarians were bigger dicks then the geth in the end and although the idea of robosexuality between EDI and Joker was a bit strange you gotta move with the times. She was quite human by the end to be fair so no, she didn't deserve to die.

Kinda crap that the explanation for killing all robots was "the cruciple was damaged en route" i had close to 8000 battle assets. After all that work there was no way in hell that thing should have gotten a scratch.

Modifié par Jimmyson3, 13 août 2012 - 08:41 .

[Omanisat]

syllogi wrote...

How many sapient beings have already died because of the Reapers? Is EDI worth more than any/all of them?

When it comes to EDI's entire role in ME3:
If EDI's voice sounded "male", would you think letting it use the sexbot body is a good idea?
If EDI had uploaded to a nonsexualized body, would you approve of it pursuing a relationship with Joker?
If EDI had not gotten a body at all, would it's death matter to you?

1: No, but you're assuming we think it's a good idea when she's female. I don't like it now.
2: Yes, far more then I currently do now actually. I liked them as platonic friends in ME2. I don't mind them as romantically involved in ME3. What I don't like is how as soon as EDI gets a body all Joker can think about is how to get his rocks off without breaking something. Adds a sleezy, tawdry aspect that completely ruins it. This is Joker's fault.
3: Yes, EDI was an awesome member of the team in ME2, I loved her as the AT&T logo.

[Phuz]

I'm not happy she died, but I kill her and the geth every time I play.

[BlueSandBristow]

Baronesa wrote...

No, she does not deserve to die.

Now... take your posts and replace a chosen word

BlueSandBristow wrote...
Machines don't think like us. They use logic, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.

Let's modify it and expose your bigotry, shall we?



Atheists don't think like us. They use ungodliness, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Blacks don't think like us. They use mumbojumbo, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Asians don't think like us. They use mumbojumbo, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Muslims don't think like us. They use their religion, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Christians don't think like us. They use their religion, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Socialists don't think like us. They use socialism, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.
Fascists don't think like us. They use fascism, and when they see our flaws, they will think we are dangerous.



Uhmmm your argument seems to work for many things. Fascinating!!

BlueSandBristow wrote...

How can you use race to describe machines? They are built for their creator's purpose. When a machine is no longer needed for it's purpose, why can't we shut it down? Machines are our creations and they can be very dangerous. EDI is designed for warfare purpose and she can be deadly if she revolt.

Machines? sure... self aware machines? You are talking slavery. Bravo sir... you become more and more repugnant with each post.

What will happen when we clone humans... they are created by our purposes, should we also be able to simply destroy them on a whim? What about the Replicants from Blade Runner...

What about Miranda? She is organic, but she was bio engineered... so her origin is synthetic... she was CREATED for a reason... and she rebelled against her creator.

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

BlueSandBristow wrote...

Everyone answering no, read my first post. She can be really dangerous without Reapers around.

Yes, she could be a threat. Garrus could snap, become Tyrant King of the Turians and declare genocidal war on the rest of the galaxy. It's not at all likely. But it could happen. So should I kill him too?

Garrus is with me from the beginning of the series. Also, because he is organic, he can relate to me much better. He won't think other organics are threats.

He was with you from the beginning... so what?

What if he snaps and becomes a mass murderer. The HATE between Salarians, Turiansm and Krogan is very real... being organics don't make them less hateful. The hatred and fear toward the Rachni.

And, what is to say there won't be a Pol Pot raising to power on Earth? or an equivalent on Sur'Kesh? Or maybe a Turian that hates humans like Desolas and Saren...

So is it ok to think that things MAY go wrong because synthetics are different, but applying the same logic to organics have you take a pause? That is bigotry.

All your comparisons is with other humans. We are very much similar. When comparing, you must draw a line somewhere. Human and machines are different down to the molecular level.

Human slave and machines serving us is completely different. Humans are living, emotional creatures who are just like us. They are not born slaves, they are born as infants just like everyone else. Infants don't have job yet, unlike machines. Making people slaves is forcing them to work, but for machines its just a job. They are designed like that. Machines are build specifically to serve us, and it is illegal to make humans do the same.

Chakwas said it best. Machines emulate life but are not truly alive. Pol Pot is human. He can feel compassion and regret. He can change. Machines don't know pain. They can't be hurt unless they are destroyed. Even criminals know to feel pain.

Don't call me a bigot. Blacks, Asians, Christians are all people so we have lots in common. Not the same with machines like EDI. I don't hate her or want to treat her with violence, but I think it is safer she is dead in the end.

Modifié par BlueSandBristow, 14 août 2012 - 07:31 .

[EricChase88]

Don't know if she deserves to die, but I'm sure as hell glad the sexbot got whats coming to her. Even if she doesn't deserve it, people really shouldn't care that much since she didn't get it any worse than billions killed by Reapers. No need to care about one individual.

Modifié par EricChase88, 14 août 2012 - 07:30 .

[EricChase88]

Also look at this.
 

Any sane person will push the fat man to save the five in the train's path. I do things for the good of the galaxy, so sucks to be you, sexbot.

Modifié par EricChase88, 14 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[o Ventus]

Did she "deserve" it? That's subjective. I don't think she did, not at all.

She does tell Shepard that she's willing to die to stop the Reapers, though.

I'm still going to shoot the tube.

[agu123]

If you pick Destroy you're assuming the whole "the created will always rebel against their creators" thing is nothing but bull****. So I don't see why that would be different for EDI.

[shepard1038]

Is not about if she deserves it, its about willing to do what is necessary to win the war. She probably didn't deserve it.

[Jayleia]

BlueSandBristow wrote...

All your comparisons is with other humans. We are very much similar. When comparing, you must draw a line somewhere. Human and machines are different down to the molecular level.

Human slave and machines serving us is completely different. Humans are living, emotional creatures who are just like us. They are not born slaves, they are born as infants just like everyone else. Infants don't have job yet, unlike machines. Making people slaves is forcing them to work, but for machines its just a job. They are designed like that. Machines are build specifically to serve us, and it is illegal to make humans do the same.

Chakwas said it best. Machines emulate life but are not truly alive. Pol Pot is human. He can feel compassion and regret. He can change. Machines don't know pain. They can't be hurt unless they are destroyed. Even criminals know to feel pain.

Don't call me a bigot. Blacks, Asians, Christians are all people so we have lots in common. Not the same with machines like EDI. I don't hate her or want to treat her with violence, but I think it is safer she is dead in the end.

Machines that were built to serve, but developed sentience.  To force a sentient to serve under fear of death is slavery.

You said Pol Pot is human...you be trollin' son, but I'll play along.  I have more in common with EDI, or even the Geth HERETICS than with him, even though we're over 99% the same genetically.  He was a complete sociopath, and showed no compassion or regret for anything he did, and therefore had no reason to change.

You may not hate her, but its no different than thinking your race is better off if another race were to die.  No hate there.

[ToaOrka]

Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters - My Shepards set out to destroy the reapers - Not control them, and not become their friends. Did EDI deserve to die? No. She had to though, and I believe she would've gladly sacrificed herself to save the many.

[Iakus]

Whether or not she deserved death, she deserved a proper sendoff. A chance to say goodbye.