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[Xilizhra]

Well, screw them. We were able to discern information even if no information was intended.

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, screw them. We were able to discern information even if no information was intended.

But that kind of stuff leads to erroneous information...

Do you think they'll explicitly talk about asari reproductive processes and genitalia in a future installment?

[Gabey5]

Mods?

[Eternal Phoenix]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

So if newspapers, films and other media show topless women, why can't a dark and supposedly mature 18 rated game show lite nudity in romance scenes?

Dismemberment = Okay.
Breasts = Bad.

Logic fail.

Dark and mature = topless women

Logic fail.

Not really. Did I ever say that dark and mature automatically equal topless women?

Reading comprehension fail.

I like how you ignore my real argument though. I guess in whatever society you come from, dismemberment, violence and people being ripped to shreds is more acceptable than a woman showing her nipple.

God forbid Bioware show nudity in a romance scene in an 18 rated game!

 

Scandalous!

This is outrageous. I'm telling Fox News because we all know that we're supposed to have sex in our clothing!!!!

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 14 août 2012 - 02:38 .

[EricHVela]

Elton John is dead wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

So if newspapers, films and other media show topless women, why can't a dark and supposedly mature 18 rated game show lite nudity in romance scenes?

Dismemberment = Okay.
Breasts = Bad.

Logic fail.

Dark and mature = topless women

Logic fail.

Not really. Did I ever say that dark and mature automatically equal topless women?

Reading comprehension fail.

You did mention "dark and supposedly mature" showing "lite nudity" in the same sentence. Given the thread began focusing on breasts, it wasn't a far leap that you should not have expected with your statement.

Anyway, I think that creative camera angles can suffice better than full Human boob-shots. (This is only a game and not some NC17 movie after all.) However, using underclothes to cover body parts when nudity makes more sense is jarring in a story for mature audiences. It's like someone inserted a vocal censor [beeeep] over one word and not an equally sensitive word elsewhere.

Creative camera angles: Leave something to the imagination. Leave the clothes off when they should be off.

If not, leave it out altogether. Fade-to-black works fine, too. (Even many R-rated movies do that.)

[EricHVela]

I'm reminded of a scene from Coupling. Jane (who is just realizing that she's still sexy to men) is showing her body to tempt Steve (who is committed to another woman). All we see are shoulders and back (not even side-boobs).

Steve: *tries to avoid looking at Jane undressing* "No! No, no, no, that’s not gonna work. Look, whatever you might think, whatever everybody might think, it just so happens I’m not --" *accidentally looks down Jane’s nakedness* "-- COMPLETELY SHAVED!! ... I mean, shallow!"

I think we get the whole full-frontal picture, and we didn't even see anything.

Creative camera angles (and context of course).

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 14 août 2012 - 02:50 .

[jillabender]

ReggarBlane wrote…

Anyway, I think that creative camera angles can suffice better than full Human boob-shots. (This is only a game and not some NC17 movie after all.) However, using underclothes to cover body parts when nudity makes more sense is jarring in a story for mature audiences. It's like someone inserted a vocal censor [beeeep] over one word and not an equally sensitive word elsewhere.

Creative camera angles: Leave something to the imagination. Leave the clothes off when they should be off.

If not, leave it out altogether. Fade-to-black works fine, too. (Even many R-rated movies do that.)

I agree – there's nothing wrong with a bit of light nudity within a game in a romantic context, if it's done tastefully, and leaving something to the imagination is often more erotic than baring everything.

Modifié par jillabender, 14 août 2012 - 03:15 .

[Nimpe]

I think that the scene should be handled like in Mass effect 1, but then again what about controversy again.

[Eternal Phoenix]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

So if newspapers, films and other media show topless women, why can't a dark and supposedly mature 18 rated game show lite nudity in romance scenes?

Dismemberment = Okay.
Breasts = Bad.

Logic fail.

Dark and mature = topless women

Logic fail.

Not really. Did I ever say that dark and mature automatically equal topless women?

Reading comprehension fail.

You did mention "dark and supposedly mature" showing "lite nudity" in the same sentence. Given the thread began focusing on breasts, it wasn't a far leap that you should not have expected with your statement.

Anyway, I think that creative camera angles can suffice better than full Human boob-shots. (This is only a game and not some NC17 movie after all.) However, using underclothes to cover body parts when nudity makes more sense is jarring in a story for mature audiences. It's like someone inserted a vocal censor [beeeep] over one word and not an equally sensitive word elsewhere.

Creative camera angles: Leave something to the imagination. Leave the clothes off when they should be off.

If not, leave it out altogether. Fade-to-black works fine, too. (Even many R-rated movies do that.)

Maybe but I wasn't implying that a dark and mature game *must* have nudity. EntropicAngel was basically claiming that I was saying that dark and mature automatically equals topless women which I never said.

However when you're throwing in sexual content in a game proclaimed as being *mature* and for *adults* then you expect the sexual content to be handled in a mature way. I don't want to see The Warden banging Morrigan in explicit detail but when you show characters dressed up in clothing while their having sex it just makes the whole scene unrealistic.

What's wrong with showing the breasts of the women for the romance scene even if for a few seconds? I agree with creative camera angles too. That would work too. From what I understand, Mass Effect 3 did this and people were happy with the romance scenes. Personally I couldn't care if romances didn't even make it into the next Dragon Age but if you're going to have them and then show the characters making love in an 18 rated game then it should be done right either with lite nudty or creative camera angles.

Basically my point in this whole topic is trying to understand why some people think dismemberment is more acceptable than lite nudity and why showing a female monster's breasts is okay but the breasts on a real woman isn't.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 14 août 2012 - 07:50 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Between the Broodmother's huge rack and the Banshee's everything, what's the problem? You've got everything you wanted to see, right?

[Eternal Phoenix]

ReconTeam wrote...

Between the Broodmother's huge rack and the Banshee's everything, what's the problem? You've got everything you wanted to see, right?

You forgot The Mother:

 

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

[Eternal Phoenix]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

So if newspapers, films and other media show topless women, why can't a dark and supposedly mature 18 rated game show lite nudity in romance scenes?

Please, please explain what this sentence meant, then. You described the game as dark and supposedly mature. Then you presented a flaw in that definition by sayng it doesn't have nudity.

Indicating that the definition suddests, if not requires, nudity.

Did you mean something else?

As I was explaining, newspapers, films with 18 ratings, artwork, sculptures and others form of art and media show nudity. So shouldn't a dark and mature 18 rated game which is supposed to be for adults show nudity too when it's presenting sexual content? It makes sense as pretty much every 18 rated film I've seen with a romance scene shows nudity.

In fact even 15 rated media has shown nudity in romance scenes. The Weatherman (2005, Nicolas Cage) has nudity in a sex scene showing a woman's breasts.

So I ask again, why can't a dark, mature RPG for adults which features dismemberment show partial nudity during romance scenes when even 15 rated media has done it?

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 14 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[Xilizhra]

You forgot The Mother:

She doesn't look that bad if you only take her from the top set of breasts upward, really.

[thats1evildude]

Xilizhra wrote...

You forgot The Mother:

She doesn't look that bad if you only take her from the top set of breasts upward, really.

I agree.



Gotta get me some of that. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 août 2012 - 08:42 .

[erilben]

Elton John is dead wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

So if newspapers, films and other media show topless women, why can't a dark and supposedly mature 18 rated game show lite nudity in romance scenes?

Please, please explain what this sentence meant, then. You described the game as dark and supposedly mature. Then you presented a flaw in that definition by sayng it doesn't have nudity.

Indicating that the definition suddests, if not requires, nudity.

Did you mean something else?

As I was explaining, newspapers, films with 18 ratings, artwork, sculptures and others form of art and media show nudity. So shouldn't a dark and mature 18 rated game which is supposed to be for adults show nudity too when it's presenting sexual content? It makes sense as pretty much every 18 rated film I've seen with a romance scene shows nudity.

In fact even 15 rated media has shown nudity in romance scenes. The Weatherman (2005, Nicolas Cage) has nudity in a sex scene showing a woman's breasts.

So I ask again, why can't a dark, mature RPG for adults which features dismemberment show partial nudity during romance scenes when even 15 rated media has done it?

Someone has to do the art work for it. Romances are optional and there's four of them, so only a minority of players would see the art created for one romance. Bioware can't put everything in the game, and it's better to do art for content that everyone gets.

[Eternal Phoenix]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

As I was explaining, newspapers, films with 18 ratings, artwork, sculptures and others form of art and media show nudity. So shouldn't a dark and mature 18 rated game which is supposed to be for adults show nudity too when it's presenting sexual content? It makes sense as pretty much every 18 rated film I've seen with a romance scene shows nudity.

In fact even 15 rated media has shown nudity in romance scenes. The Weatherman (2005, Nicolas Cage) has nudity in a sex scene showing a woman's breasts.

So I ask again, why can't a dark, mature RPG for adults which features dismemberment show partial nudity during romance scenes when even 15 rated media has done it?

It sure as heck looks like you're saying it's necessary. That's the problem I had with your post.

Well I'm not.

erilben wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

So if newspapers, films and other media show topless women, why can't a dark and supposedly mature 18 rated game show lite nudity in romance scenes?

Please, please explain what this sentence meant, then. You described the game as dark and supposedly mature. Then you presented a flaw in that definition by sayng it doesn't have nudity.

Indicating that the definition suddests, if not requires, nudity.

Did you mean something else?

As I was explaining, newspapers, films with 18 ratings, artwork, sculptures and others form of art and media show nudity. So shouldn't a dark and mature 18 rated game which is supposed to be for adults show nudity too when it's presenting sexual content? It makes sense as pretty much every 18 rated film I've seen with a romance scene shows nudity.

In fact even 15 rated media has shown nudity in romance scenes. The Weatherman (2005, Nicolas Cage) has nudity in a sex scene showing a woman's breasts.

So I ask again, why can't a dark, mature RPG for adults which features dismemberment show partial nudity during romance scenes when even 15 rated media has done it?

Someone has to do the art work for it. Romances are optional and there's four of them, so only a minority of players would see the art created for one romance. Bioware can't put everything in the game, and it's better to do art for content that everyone gets.

 

What artwork? Likely the same body would be used. You speak as though it takes Bioware years to create a model.

[Reznore57]

Where i'm from , you can see topless women on advertisement for selling soap or whatever...
That's not something i ever think about , but you don't have that kind of things in the U.S?
Even on some comedy movie for all the family , you could see naked people , even men full frontal (mostly from movies from the end of the 70's though , not so much now)...

Nudity doesn't bother me at all , but i kind of don't want to have that in DA .
it's usually not used as a natural thing , but comes along with sex to make it appealing .
So i'd rather not see plastic barbies doing wierd sex scene (DA O sex scene remind me of the puppet sex scene of Team America , don't watch if you're kind of easily chocked , may cause brain damage ) with a Ken like npc.

[AbsoluteApril]

Reznore57 wrote...

Where i'm from , you can see topless women on advertisement for selling soap or whatever...
That's not something i ever think about , but you don't have that kind of things in the U.S?
.

No, we don't. There are very vocal and very prudish groups in the US. I remember how shocked I was seeing naked (topless) women on street adverts and in television commercials when I was in France (for products like shampoo).

I, personally, would like more 'adult' sexual content in my 'mature' games, doesn't automatically mean nudity, but I don't mind that being included as well. Maybe they just want to avoid the nudity in a sexual context? tis a shame.

[Reznore57]

Well , I'm french^^.

I never thought that U.S was so "prude" , probably because i watched a lot of HBO shows ^^ and there's always naked people in there...
Thought , showing nipples for selling soap isn't something i would encourage , it's a bit ridiculous . .