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[DesioPL]

I need some opinions about weapons in the thread title.

M-96 Mattock vs Cerberus Harrier.

Okay let's see...

M-96 Mattock.

Weapon rarity: Uncommon.
Ammo max: 16 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Good.

Cerberus Harrier.

Weapon rarity: Ultra rare.
Ammo max: 20 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Bad.

I must ask here.

What weapon, is better to use in the silver challenge ?

Modifié par DesioPL, 13 août 2012 - 12:00 .

[Dhavaer]

Mattock is uncommon, not rare.

[Reofeir]

Harrier is probably already better then the Mattock in terms of just playing on silver.
Though posting down damage & reload speeds might help with comparison. Maybe some of the information on ammo.

[Reofeir]

Dhavaer wrote...

Mattock is uncommon, not rare.

Also this + the harrier is a ultra rare, not unique. Sorry for nitpicking.

[coldflame]

Harrier is a fullly automatic Mattock, so if you have your Harrier at level 3+ use it.

[Morgax_Warrior]

DesioPL wrote...

I need some opinions about weapons in the thread title.

M-96 Mattock vs Cerberus Harrier.

Okay let's see...

M-96 Mattock.

Weapon rarity: Uncommon.
Ammo max: 16 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Good.

Cerberus Harrier.

Weapon rarity: Ultra-rare.
Ammo max: 20 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Bad.

I must ask here.

What weapon, is better to use in the silver challenge ?

Harrier has better dps plus it won't strain your fingers, but you will be forced to run to ammoboxes quite often. Mattock is decent enough up to gold but if you have harrier i'd recommend stick to it instead. Also where did you get weapon stabilization is bad for Harrier? It's actually decent

Some numbers:

Edit2:
|| Mattock || Type: Assault Rifle || Damage I/X: 103.6/129.5 || DPS I/X: 777/971.25 || Magazine: 16 || Rate Of Fire: 450 || Reload Time: 1.37 || Weight I/X: 1.5/0.9 ||

 || Harrier || Type: Assault Rifle || Damage I/X: 106.2/129.5 || DPS I/X: 973.5/1,187.08 || Magazine: 20 || Rate Of Fire: 550 || Reload Time: 1.37 || Weight I/X: 1.75/1.25 ||
Edit 3: mattock data applies only if you're master of trigger finger so expect lower if you're average Joe as me:lol:

Modifié par Morgax_Warrior, 13 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[FearTheCompany]

Mattock for silver more ammo. Use a turbo

[Dhavaer]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

Harrier has better dps plus it won't strain your fingers, but you will be forced to run to ammoboxes quite often. Mattock is decent enough up to gold but if you have harrier i'd recommend stick to it instead. Also where did you get weapon stabilization is bad for Harrier? It's actually decent

I think he meant that the harrier is unstable, not that the mod is bad on the harrier.

[NotPotato]

I prefer not having either carpal tunnel or a clicking macro, so I stick to the Harrier.

[DesioPL]

Dhavaer wrote...

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

Harrier has better dps plus it won't strain your fingers, but you will be forced to run to ammoboxes quite often. Mattock is decent enough up to gold but if you have harrier i'd recommend stick to it instead. Also where did you get weapon stabilization is bad for Harrier? It's actually decent

I think he meant that the harrier is unstable, not that the mod is bad on the harrier.

Yes, i mean here that Harrier is unstable than Mattock, and i ask for this reason.

Other reason, i played Mattock few games, and is not bad.

[coldflame]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

DesioPL wrote...

I need some opinions about weapons in the thread title.

M-96 Mattock vs Cerberus Harrier.

Okay let's see...

M-96 Mattock.

Weapon rarity: Uncommon.
Ammo max: 16 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Good.

Cerberus Harrier.

Weapon rarity: Ultra-rare.
Ammo max: 20 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Bad.

I must ask here.

What weapon, is better to use in the silver challenge ?

Harrier has better dps plus it won't strain your fingers, but you will be forced to run to ammoboxes quite often. Mattock is decent enough up to gold but if you have harrier i'd recommend stick to it instead. Also where did you get weapon stabilization is bad for Harrier? It's actually decent

Or use Harrier with a demolisher to solve the lack of ammo problem. Also isn't the stabilisation bugged with Harrier? Harrier acutally gets more unstable if you fire while sticking to a cover.

[121andrew]

I can fire pretty quickly, so I like the Mattock alot. It does as much if not more damage than the Harrier.
My Mattock isn't at X yet and it is still better than my Harrier I, or at least I think so.

[SpineVomit]

It depends on your trigger finger. I'm quite fond of semi-auto weapons and I can fire them fairly fast, but I find that the Mattock is a bit too tiring on Gold, and the amount of concentration it takes to track an enemy, as well as hammer it with bullets, is a bit too much for the duration of the match. Harrier is better in all aspects except for weight and ammo capacity, so I'll use it on any class that isn't an Adept.

[Shad Croly]

The Cerberus Harrier has a really low ammo capacity, a high rate of fire to burn through said low ammo capacity really quickly, and it weighs a ton.

I don't care how much damage this hunk of junk does, for a person who prefers power-based classes, it gets a pass by me.

[SnakeEyes]

Where did you get the nonsense that the Harrier has bad stabilisation?! The Harrier is fantastic, and with the stabilisation mod you can headshot with no scope from across any of the maps on full auto. The Mattock was greater than all of the Assault Rifles until the Harrier came along.

[Barge6000]

20-25 min games full of tanky mobs is just too much triggering and not enough satisfaction to Play the mattock for me. If I have to click every shot the power has to be worth it. See saber (although I think that could use a little buff for gold+)

[Frozen Mind]

DesioPL wrote...

M-96 Mattock.
Weapon stabilization: Good.

Cerberus Harrier.
Weapon stabilization: Bad.

If you shoot Mattock fast enough you'll see it's not that stable. By that I mean recoil (spread). For me Mattock is better on Silver, especially when you care about cooldowns and  reliability.

[terryfonz]

Harrier. You just have to know where every ammo box is ... everywhere.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I can fire mattock faster than harrier

[UKStory135]

Unless weight is an issue. The Harrier is better in most situations. If, and that is a big if, you can click at 7.5 times a second for 20 minutes straight and still be fairly accurate, then the Mattock has a higher DPS at level X against level IV and less Harriers. At level V, they are essentially equal in DPS; and at Level VI, the Harrier hits harder, no matter how fast you click.

[BoomDynamite]

Unless you're in cover, the Harrier's recoil is really low. The Harrier beats the Mattock at everything except Ammo (Harrier X has two less bullets than a Mattock X), rarity, and damage (I believe BW buffed the Mattock to have the same damage).

[BoomDynamite]

UKStory135 wrote...

Unless weight is an issue. The Harrier is better in most situations. If, and that is a big if, you can click at 7.5 times a second for 20 minutes straight and still be fairly accurate, then the Mattock has a higher DPS at level X against level IV and less Harriers. At level V, they are essentially equal in DPS; and at Level VI, the Harrier hits harder, no matter how fast you click.

The Mattock's firecap is lower than the Harrier's fixed RoF.

[StrawHatMoose]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I can fire mattock faster than harrier

Imposssible. Harrier has a higher rate of fire (550) than the mattock (450). You using some voodoo magic?

[StrawHatMoose]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Unless you're in cover, the Harrier's recoil is really low. The Harrier beats the Mattock at everything except Ammo (Harrier X has two less bullets than a Mattock X), rarity, and damage (I believe BW buffed the Mattock to have the same damage).

Just 3 points of damage less than harrier. 

[Miniditka77]

DesioPL wrote...

Yes, i mean here that Harrier is unstable than Mattock, and i ask for this reason.

Other reason, i played Mattock few games, and is not bad.

I use the Mattock a lot, and it's a great gun.  It's not one of the top level "OP" guns, but it's on the next tier below that, as far as I'm concerned.  The issue is trigger speed - if you can't pull the trigger fast, your performance is going to suffer.  And it's much better firing out of cover.