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[InTheZone]

StrawHatMoose wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Unless you're in cover, the Harrier's recoil is really low. The Harrier beats the Mattock at everything except Ammo (Harrier X has two less bullets than a Mattock X), rarity, and damage (I believe BW buffed the Mattock to have the same damage).

Just 3 points of damage less than harrier. 

The Harrier's recoil is already low even if you're out of cover.

[UKStory135]

BoomDynamite wrote...

UKStory135 wrote...

Unless weight is an issue. The Harrier is better in most situations. If, and that is a big if, you can click at 7.5 times a second for 20 minutes straight and still be fairly accurate, then the Mattock has a higher DPS at level X against level IV and less Harriers. At level V, they are essentially equal in DPS; and at Level VI, the Harrier hits harder, no matter how fast you click.

The Mattock's firecap is lower than the Harrier's fixed RoF.

I know.  It is capped at 450 vs. 550 for the Harrier.  The Mattock hits harder to compensate for this until the Harrier reaches level V.  At level V, the DPS for the Harrier is higher than the Mattock, no matter how hard you click.

[AshirahTSparkle]

Miniditka77 wrote...

DesioPL wrote...

Yes, i mean here that Harrier is unstable than Mattock, and i ask for this reason.

Other reason, i played Mattock few games, and is not bad.

I use the Mattock a lot, and it's a great gun.  It's not one of the top level "OP" guns, but it's on the next tier below that, as far as I'm concerned.  The issue is trigger speed - if you can't pull the trigger fast, your performance is going to suffer.  And it's much better firing out of cover.

Might expain why it feels so underwhelming when I use it. Always felt that it wasn't killing stuff fast enough.. guess it's trigger speed related.

[Dendio1]

Harrier is pretty stable outside of cover

[Scam_poo]

I would use the Harrier over the Mattock any time. Thing is, it's not that easy to come by with some bad luck.

[Dokteur Kill]

Even with stabilization mods, I have a hard time getting consistent hits against a moving target at long range with the harrier, so as a pseudo-sniper I prefer the mattock. Even if the Harrier has a higher theoretical damage, in practice I get more damage out of the mattock. But for short to medium range burst damage, the harrier's great.

It comes down to class and playstyle, and what I intend to do with the weapon. I love the harrier on the vorcha, since I move around a lot with those classes, and I mostly work at close and medium range. For classes like the Justicar, I prefer the mattock, since I usually keep more distance and cooldown is important.

[Ogelia]

overal harrier have beter dps output but lots depend on class i raly like mattlock on my AJ bc with this have still +200% CD bonus and can spam reave as hell + haved rly good hiting semi aouto weapons and with reave + warp ammo III/IV and luck with sphere its unstopable combo

[Poison_Berrie]

I don't have the Harrier yet, but your Mattock X does more damage per shot and doesn't run out of ammo as quickly.
The Harrier I is easier on the finger and provided it can reliably hit it's mark as often as you can with the Mattock it's a good alternative. Once you level your Harrier a bit it becomes superior overall and at that point taking the Mattock is either flavor/style or a weight and/or ammo consideration.

[OfficialDKnO]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I can fire mattock faster than harrier

Im fast on the  Mattock, if this ^ is true, please post a video<_<

[Cole Jones]

Personally i like the Mattock Better because it uses ammo much better then the Harrier, has a Higher DPH if not a slightly lower DPS (Depends on who is shooting). SO it's better on armor. Has Very nice acc, and has what? 20? 24 odd rounds with the extended clip.

[Annelos]

Bronze, Silver - Use Mattock X as it has enough power to deal with anything there
Gold, Platinium - go for the Harrier

[Pyro666999]

DesioPL wrote...

I need some opinions about weapons in the thread title.

M-96 Mattock vs Cerberus Harrier.

Okay let's see...

M-96 Mattock.

Weapon rarity: Uncommon.
Ammo max: 16 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Good.

Cerberus Harrier.

Weapon rarity: Ultra rare.
Ammo max: 20 without modifications.
Weapon stabilization: Bad.

I must ask here.

What weapon, is better to use in the silver challenge ?

Cerberus Harier, weapon stabilization bad????

The Harrier is incredebily stable, however to get the max out of it you do need to go for burst fire, and headshots.
The only downside Harrier has is the ammo capacity which is 136 at level X, the magazine capacity hardly matters.  Lern to play and love the Harrier, and never use the mattock again.

[Igipopp]

For the Destroyer harrier is much better. You can kill everything! You need to learn every ammobox location and actually you will use your thermal clips, especially in objective waves. And with a penetration mod and a stability mod it is a sniper without a scope. On a regulal good ol' soldier still very good. It was the first gun that mad gold playable with my soldier.

[OniGanon]

On Silver I'd say use the Harrier.

On Gold and Platinum, the Harrier's ammo count will give you problems. But then, the Mattock's isn't much better.

[Annelos]

OniGanon wrote...

On Silver I'd say use the Harrier.

On Gold and Platinum, the Harrier's ammo count will give you problems. But then, the Mattock's isn't much better.

Unless you can fire Mattock with full-auto, I've no idea how were you able to find Mattock superior to Harrier on Gold and Platinium. It's true that getting ammunition for Harrier is a problem (on Platinium especially since amount of enemies sometimes can block your way to the ammo box) but you still have that superior firepower in hand.

Now, Mattock (even after buffs) doesn't kick that hard so unless you're a console player with turbo controller, saying that Mattock>Harrier on Platinium/Gold is far from the truth my friend and this is coming from the person that almost exclusively used Mattock and Harrier.

Mattock starts to feel UP on Gold unless you pack it with the best consumables - taking it to Platinium is a bad idea for majority of a classes.

Modifié par Annelos, 13 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[Asharad Hett]

Female Quarrian Engineer, turrets, Harrier, and ammo box camping.

[weirjf]

Harrier

Have to use ammo boxes as cover, however. Hits like a truck

[Tealjaker94]

OfficialDKnO wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I can fire mattock faster than harrier

Im fast on the  Mattock, if this ^ is true, please post a video<_<

It's not true. The RoF for the mattock is capped at 450. The RoF for the harrier is 550. 

[PSUHammer]

Since I started using the Harrier (level II, for me), I have started dominating gold matches. I use it on a GI or Demolisher. Thermal packs get used but you just have to make sure you move near ammo crates more often.

I like the Mattock but fully auto version is king.

[NotPotato]

Igipopp wrote...

For the Destroyer harrier is much better. You can kill everything! You need to learn every ammobox location and actually you will use your thermal clips, especially in objective waves. And with a penetration mod and a stability mod it is a sniper without a scope. On a regulal good ol' soldier still very good. It was the first gun that mad gold playable with my soldier.

...And if you don't want all the bother of either guns on a Destroyer, just take the Revenant to utterly destroy anything without even looking at an ammo box during a wave. The sustained dps on that thing is already pretty damn high - as in it's higher than the Harrier's with all the mandatory ammo box runs - the Destroyer will increase it to the ridiculous level.
(that is, if you don't have a Typhoon yet; otherwise replace Revenant with Typhoon)

[DragonRacer]

What are you using it on (race/class)?

Anyone around here who knows me knows the Mattock is my One True Love. But the Harrier is also a great weapon.

If you have a fast trigger finger, I vote Mattock X over Harrier I. If you are more of a power-based class and want an assault rifle, the Mattock weighs less and can buy you precious cooldown time. I always equip it on my Turian Sentinel... I have the racial weapon stability that makes recoil a moot point and it gives me a 191% cooldown, so I can almost constantly spam Warp or Overload as needed. Mix that with a pretty fast trigger finger, and Mattock is perfectly viable up through Gold. Platinum... is not easy, but then again, that's Platinum for you.

[eye basher]

If you fire the mattock to fast you lose accuracy i've been using it on my soldier for a while and if you fire to fast not all bullets hit especially at range.

[garrusfan1]

Wait the Harrier had great stability (at least on single player) I love that gun. The mattlcok is good but I got bored of it in me2. I love the Harrier it has decent strength good stability (for an automatic weapon) and great accuracy. I think harrier is better the only down side is the low ammo capacity. But on silver you should be able to run to the nearest ammo box. On gold and platinum it may be a problem but just use a side arm for when you run out of ammo.

[OniGanon]

Annelos wrote...

Unless you can fire Mattock with full-auto, I've no idea how were you able to find Mattock superior to Harrier on Gold and Platinium.

I actually can fire the Mattock full auto if I want to (fancy mouse). I can also consistently fire it normally at its maximum firing rate, or close enough to it. At least until my finger tires of it.

I suggest you reread my post. I said nothing about the Mattock being better than the Harrier, except in ammo count. I don't have a Harrier so I wouldn't much comment on its performance beyond what I can read in the numbers.

As for the Mattock being bad for Gold and Platinum, that's complete rubbish. The Mattock is one of the best balanced weapons in the game, with fantastic DPS, good accuracy, fair weight and enough punch per shot to be useful against Armor. The only flaws the gun has is the requirement of high clicking speed (or an autofire button) and somewhat low ammo count.

Modifié par OniGanon, 13 août 2012 - 03:52 .

[Miniditka77]

AshirahTSparkle wrote...

Might expain why it feels so underwhelming when I use it. Always felt that it wasn't killing stuff fast enough.. guess it's trigger speed related.

Oddly enough, the Phalanx is the closest competitor to the Mattock, as far as I'm concerned.  If you can't pull the trigger faster than 277rpm, you'll actually do more damage with the Phalanx X than the Mattock X.  And the Phalanx is lighter too.

Also, to some other people who are saying the Harrier needs to be at III or V to be better than the Mattock - the Harrier I does better DPS than the maximum possible DPS of the Mattock X.  As much as I like the Mattock, if I had the Harrier, I'd never use it again except maybe on a hybrid caster/combat class like the Justicar or the Turian Sentinel.