carrmatt91 wrote...
the way i see it, the options were all there already on the citadel, they were just dormant, so yes the crucible did not create them. what the crucible does imo is allow the catalyst to use/activate them them ( i mean the crucible is just a power source anyway).
BigBadMammogram wrote...
carrmatt91 wrote...
the way i see it, the options were all there already on the citadel, they were just dormant, so yes the crucible did not create them. what the crucible does imo is allow the catalyst to use/activate them them ( i mean the crucible is just a power source anyway).
Sure. Why not.
So why doesnt the catalyst say something along those lines, instead of 'it changed me and gave me new options'?
Modifié par Fedi.St, 14 août 2012 - 11:55 .
Fedi.St wrote...
guys take a look at this.
http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png
It completely removes any doubt that writers INTENDED the choices to be on crucible and then placed on the citadel.
I thought i finally had a closure but no .
Fedi.St wrote...
guys take a look at this.
http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png
It completely removes any doubt that writers INTENDED the choices to be on crucible and then placed on the citadel.
I thought i finally had a closure but no .
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
BigBadMammogram wrote...
carrmatt91 wrote...
the way i see it, the options were all there already on the citadel, they were just dormant, so yes the crucible did not create them. what the crucible does imo is allow the catalyst to use/activate them them ( i mean the crucible is just a power source anyway).
Sure. Why not.
So why doesnt the catalyst say something along those lines, instead of 'it changed me and gave me new options'?
He does.
"The Crucible is little more than a power source."
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
But that doesn't make sense! How can you build something to interact with the Citadel like that if you NEVER get a chance to get close to the Citadel to make sure it fits?!
Remember, the Citadel ALWAYS falls first, and THEN they find the Crucible plans. And since no one else ever looked at the Citadel so closely, how do you build that?!
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Fedi.St wrote...
guys take a look at this.
http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png
It completely removes any doubt that writers INTENDED the choices to be on crucible and then placed on the citadel.
I thought i finally had a closure but no .
But that doesn't make sense! How can you build something to interact with the Citadel like that if you NEVER get a chance to get close to the Citadel to make sure it fits?!
Remember, the Citadel ALWAYS falls first, and THEN they find the Crucible plans. And since no one else ever looked at the Citadel so closely, how do you build that?!
Modifié par maaaze, 15 août 2012 - 12:07 .
djspectre wrote...
Not reading 10 pages of responses.
I always just assumed that the crucible, which had to have SOME kind of programming aboard it to make it compatible with the Citadel, contained a virus that effectively blocked the catalysts ability to make a choice.
The boy's statement about new possibilities is entirely true because remember it's ONLY solution was harvesting via the Reapers.
It's likely whatever programming was used in the crucible to make it compatible (software-wise) with the Citadel also contained instructions and parameters on how to use the current hardware limitations of the citadel to invoke the options of Destroy, Control and Synthesis.
EDI had repeatedly encountered reaper code (herself in fact built from reaper code partially) and was able to counter Collector and Reaper hacking attempts in ME2 with the (derelick collector ship and Reaper IFF missions). She potentially could have been capable of creating said supposed virus or code changes.
Surely the species' who came before (and there were millions of years of 50k cycles) had AI's of EDI's technological level or better. It's entirely possible, and plausible, that one or several previous species helped engineer a code upgrade that could utilize the millions of years old citadel hardware to achieve the goal of overriding the Catalyst and defeating the Reapers.
This is not an entirely difficult leap of logic on the suspension of disbelief already presented within a fictional universe.
maaaze wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Fedi.St wrote...
guys take a look at this.
http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png
It completely removes any doubt that writers INTENDED the choices to be on crucible and then placed on the citadel.
I thought i finally had a closure but no .
But that doesn't make sense! How can you build something to interact with the Citadel like that if you NEVER get a chance to get close to the Citadel to make sure it fits?!
Remember, the Citadel ALWAYS falls first, and THEN they find the Crucible plans. And since no one else ever looked at the Citadel so closely, how do you build that?!
It makes perfect sense...other cycles studied the citadel more closely before the reapers invasion.
remember the catalyst is the combined knowlege from 1000 cycles...some are bound to have known more than we did.
BigBadMammogram wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
BigBadMammogram wrote...
carrmatt91 wrote...
the way i see it, the options were all there already on the citadel, they were just dormant, so yes the crucible did not create them. what the crucible does imo is allow the catalyst to use/activate them them ( i mean the crucible is just a power source anyway).
Sure. Why not.
So why doesnt the catalyst say something along those lines, instead of 'it changed me and gave me new options'?
He does.
"The Crucible is little more than a power source."
Thats my whole argument. The catalyst says two completely contradicting things. The crucible is little more than a power source, and the crucible changed me and gave me new options. Thats why this argument will never end. You should probably go back and read the rest of this thread.
maaaze wrote...
It makes perfect sense...other cycles studied the citadel more closely before the reapers invasion.
remember the catalyst is the combined knowlege from 1000 cycles...some are bound to have known more than we did.
BigBadMammogram wrote...
maaaze wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Fedi.St wrote...
guys take a look at this.
http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png
It completely removes any doubt that writers INTENDED the choices to be on crucible and then placed on the citadel.
I thought i finally had a closure but no .
But that doesn't make sense! How can you build something to interact with the Citadel like that if you NEVER get a chance to get close to the Citadel to make sure it fits?!
Remember, the Citadel ALWAYS falls first, and THEN they find the Crucible plans. And since no one else ever looked at the Citadel so closely, how do you build that?!
It makes perfect sense...other cycles studied the citadel more closely before the reapers invasion.
remember the catalyst is the combined knowlege from 1000 cycles...some are bound to have known more than we did.
Please, offer an explanation as to how these previous cycles managed to do research on a place they did not have access to, and how they managed to change a AI they didnt even know to look for.
djspectre wrote...
BigBadMammogram wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
BigBadMammogram wrote...
carrmatt91 wrote...
the way i see it, the options were all there already on the citadel, they were just dormant, so yes the crucible did not create them. what the crucible does imo is allow the catalyst to use/activate them them ( i mean the crucible is just a power source anyway).
Sure. Why not.
So why doesnt the catalyst say something along those lines, instead of 'it changed me and gave me new options'?
He does.
"The Crucible is little more than a power source."
Thats my whole argument. The catalyst says two completely contradicting things. The crucible is little more than a power source, and the crucible changed me and gave me new options. Thats why this argument will never end. You should probably go back and read the rest of this thread.
They aren't contradicting, they are stating two sides of the same coin.
"Little more than a power source" indicates that it is MOSTLY a power source, but not 100%. It could be 90% power source and 10% something else, that something else could be that little tiny piece of hardware in that picture, a software upgrade, a new software add-on ('new choices' besides harvesting) or something entirely else that is unseen in the game.
BigBadMammogram wrote...
maaaze wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Fedi.St wrote...
guys take a look at this.
http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png
It completely removes any doubt that writers INTENDED the choices to be on crucible and then placed on the citadel.
I thought i finally had a closure but no .
But that doesn't make sense! How can you build something to interact with the Citadel like that if you NEVER get a chance to get close to the Citadel to make sure it fits?!
Remember, the Citadel ALWAYS falls first, and THEN they find the Crucible plans. And since no one else ever looked at the Citadel so closely, how do you build that?!
It makes perfect sense...other cycles studied the citadel more closely before the reapers invasion.
remember the catalyst is the combined knowlege from 1000 cycles...some are bound to have known more than we did.
Please, offer an explanation as to how these previous cycles managed to do research on a place they did not have access to, and how they managed to change a AI they didnt even know to look for.
djspectre wrote...
They aren't contradicting, they are stating two sides of the same coin.
"Little more than a power source" indicates that it is MOSTLY a power source, but not 100%. It could be 90% power source and 10% something else, that something else could be that little tiny piece of hardware in that picture, a software upgrade, a new software add-on ('new choices' besides harvesting) or something entirely else that is unseen in the game.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
maaaze wrote...
It makes perfect sense...other cycles studied the citadel more closely before the reapers invasion.
remember the catalyst is the combined knowlege from 1000 cycles...some are bound to have known more than we did.
No, because then they would've discovered the Keeper's role in things, find out that Citadel is a massive Mass Relay, can stop the Reaper plot. This has never happened before BECAUSE no one ever pays attention to the Citadel. It's there, and they are more than happy to just use it, not study it.
And what does the Catalyst have to do with this?
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
djspectre wrote...
They aren't contradicting, they are stating two sides of the same coin.
"Little more than a power source" indicates that it is MOSTLY a power source, but not 100%. It could be 90% power source and 10% something else, that something else could be that little tiny piece of hardware in that picture, a software upgrade, a new software add-on ('new choices' besides harvesting) or something entirely else that is unseen in the game.
So, how do you upgrade something that you don't know exists?
djspectre wrote...
BigBadMammogram wrote...
Please, offer an explanation as to how these previous cycles managed to do research on a place they did not have access to, and how they managed to change a AI they didnt even know to look for.
It's very possible that a previous cycle captured a keeper and got bits and pieces of it's memory files. It's also possible that previous cycles also found that room where shepard was last standing with Anderson.
djspectre wrote...
And lastly....the Crucible attatched to the OUTSIDE of the Citadel....something I'm sure every ship that ever patrolled the station could see and take scans of.
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