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[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The crucible is like an upgrade to the catalyst....It does open new opinions to the catalyst...It literaly says this to you.The reason why it's trying to get more opinion is because of it's programing. It's programed to find the best way to solve the solution given to it... That in hand means that if the reaper solution it pickedbefore fail...It needs to pick new solutions or if a better solution apears...That needs to be picked.

It also tells you-

"The construct that you know as the Crucible is merely a power source."

Last I checked, the batteries I put into my wireless mouse don't turn it into a TV remote.

Think of the  catalyst and the crucible like a bow and arrow. The weapon can't be effective with out both parts. Even the guns in ME need power to work. It still is like an upgrade letting the catalyst do moe things...That upgrade can also be a weapon.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The crucible is like an upgrade to the catalyst....It does open new opinions to the catalyst...It literaly says this to you.The reason why it's trying to get more opinion is because of it's programing. It's programed to find the best way to solve the solution given to it... That in hand means that if the reaper solution it pickedbefore fail...It needs to pick new solutions or if a better solution apears...That needs to be picked.

It also tells you-

"The construct that you know as the Crucible is merely a power source."

Last I checked, the batteries I put into my wireless mouse don't turn it into a TV remote.

Think of the  catalyst and the crucible like a bow and arrow. The weapon can't be effective with out both parts. Even the guns in ME need power to work. It still is like an upgrade letting the catalyst do moe things...That upgrade can also be a weapon.

It's either a power source or an upgrade kit, not both.

I'm also curious where you're getting your information from, because nothing like that is ever stated in-game.

Modifié par o Ventus, 15 août 2012 - 04:26 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The crucible is like an upgrade to the catalyst....It does open new opinions to the catalyst...It literaly says this to you.The reason why it's trying to get more opinion is because of it's programing. It's programed to find the best way to solve the solution given to it... That in hand means that if the reaper solution it pickedbefore fail...It needs to pick new solutions or if a better solution apears...That needs to be picked.

It also tells you-

"The construct that you know as the Crucible is merely a power source."

Last I checked, the batteries I put into my wireless mouse don't turn it into a TV remote.

Think of the  catalyst and the crucible like a bow and arrow. The weapon can't be effective with out both parts. Even the guns in ME need power to work. It still is like an upgrade letting the catalyst do moe things...That upgrade can also be a weapon.

It's either a power source or an upgrade kit, not both.

I'm also curious where you're getting your information from, because nothing like that is ever stated in-game.

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

[Wayning_Star]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The crucible is like an upgrade to the catalyst....It does open new opinions to the catalyst...It literaly says this to you.The reason why it's trying to get more opinion is because of it's programing. It's programed to find the best way to solve the solution given to it... That in hand means that if the reaper solution it pickedbefore fail...It needs to pick new solutions or if a better solution apears...That needs to be picked.

It also tells you-

"The construct that you know as the Crucible is merely a power source."

Last I checked, the batteries I put into my wireless mouse don't turn it into a TV remote.

Think of the  catalyst and the crucible like a bow and arrow. The weapon can't be effective with out both parts. Even the guns in ME need power to work. It still is like an upgrade letting the catalyst do moe things...That upgrade can also be a weapon.

It's either a power source or an upgrade kit, not both.

I'm also curious where you're getting your information from, because nothing like that is ever stated in-game.

well the prothean AI on Thessia did kind of explain it some, vaguely infering that it was an "idea" machine tinkered with over a long time by different harvested races. The catalyst said it was only a crude power supply, what led me to believe it was more than that. This admission occurs after it was 'plugged into' the catalyst via the citadel. The the Cat got new ideas that never occured to it before, a hint that they came from the crucible, not the citadel. So I believe the game does say its both a power converter of some kind and an upgrade kit, or hack device.

Also, it seems as if it took a long time tinkering with it to get it's programming level high enough to override the catalysts' core proggramming as it's use had been attempted many times without success. Coined by the admission that 'you are ready' to make a choice of synthesis or what ever that admission was for?

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

[Wayning_Star]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

to get it to do like it's told, the Cat is a little pain in the cosmic butt...and all the power in the MEU to back that pain up..

If you want your video card to work better you update the bios, or the drivers software..

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 août 2012 - 04:48 .

[Wayning_Star]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

actually the Cat doesn't have 'ideas', it only has its core programmng, it's a very expensive computerized idiot savant. The crucible was never a weapon, the organics just called it one, cause they 'hoped' it would enable them to stop the cycle, by destruction if necessary. At that point, anything that ridded the MEU of the cycle was fair game. And any decision posed by the cruciblecitadelcat, as far as I could tell.

[valkulon]

LucasShark wrote...

Well then he isn't much of an artificial intelligence then is he...

It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

actually the Cat doesn't have 'ideas', it only has its core programmng, it's a very expensive computerized idiot savant. The crucible was never a weapon, the organics just called it one, cause they 'hoped' it would enable them to stop the cycle, by destruction if necessary. At that point, anything that ridded the MEU of the cycle was fair game. And any decision posed by the cruciblecitadelcat, as far as I could tell.

But synthesis is his plan. That was never part of the crucilble design. If it was , he would of build the crucible himself. And it is a thinkingmachine, that why it choose te reaper solution.. The choice was made with pure logic. The concept of ends justifying the means.

[The Spamming Troll]

dreman9999 wrote...

WORDS!!!

i disagree.

[Wayning_Star]

Valhart wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Well then he isn't much of an artificial intelligence then is he...

It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

I dunno, maybe, but it is definitely sentient, but hadn't made sapient..That's where the organics comes in? Who have a knack for building sapient AI's.. but didn't gift out sapience with the crucible.

[dreman9999]

Valhart wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Well then he isn't much of an artificial intelligence then is he...

It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

....What? I think you need to watch that scene agian...

Shepard:So you just an AI?

Catalyst :In as much as you are just an Animal....

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 août 2012 - 05:10 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Valhart wrote...
It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

But he is an AI.

"So are you an AI?"
"As much as you are JUST an animal."

ninja'd.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 15 août 2012 - 05:04 .

[Wayning_Star]

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

actually the Cat doesn't have 'ideas', it only has its core programmng, it's a very expensive computerized idiot savant. The crucible was never a weapon, the organics just called it one, cause they 'hoped' it would enable them to stop the cycle, by destruction if necessary. At that point, anything that ridded the MEU of the cycle was fair game. And any decision posed by the cruciblecitadelcat, as far as I could tell.

But synthesis is his plan. That was never part of the crucilble design. If it was , he would of build the crucible himself. And it is a thinkingmachine, that why it choose te reaper solution.. The choice was made with pure logic. The concept of ends justifying the means.

hence the term 'sapient'. it wasn't able to divine wrong or right, only on and off..not even yes and no. generally speaking. It has no "plan" other than the cycle program/catalyst program. Apparently a corrupted version of the Cats original program from it's creators. (not explained well, or at all in the game for some weird reason?)

[dreman9999]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

WORDS!!!

i disagree.

So the catalyst could do synthesis the way it did at a the end of ME3 with out the crucible all along?

[Wayning_Star]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Valhart wrote...
It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

But he is an AI.

"So are you an AI?"
"As much as you are JUST an animal."

ninja'd.

KiLang is so proud!!  Ever notice just how vague that statement is. What is "just an animal"?  It has no answer.

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

actually the Cat doesn't have 'ideas', it only has its core programmng, it's a very expensive computerized idiot savant. The crucible was never a weapon, the organics just called it one, cause they 'hoped' it would enable them to stop the cycle, by destruction if necessary. At that point, anything that ridded the MEU of the cycle was fair game. And any decision posed by the cruciblecitadelcat, as far as I could tell.

But synthesis is his plan. That was never part of the crucilble design. If it was , he would of build the crucible himself. And it is a thinkingmachine, that why it choose te reaper solution.. The choice was made with pure logic. The concept of ends justifying the means.

hence the term 'sapient'. it wasn't able to divine wrong or right, only on and off..not even yes and no. generally speaking. It has no "plan" other than the cycle program/catalyst program. Apparently a corrupted version of the Cats original program from it's creators. (not explained well, or at all in the game for some weird reason?)

That just means he has no morality. Just logic. He can think on his own but just limited to his programing. He still can think.

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Valhart wrote...
It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

But he is an AI.

"So are you an AI?"
"As much as you are JUST an animal."

ninja'd.

KiLang is so proud!!  Ever notice just how vague that statement is. What is "just an animal"?  It has no answer.

An animal would just be organic life in general....ButI think it's more of an insult in his end...Just him being arrogant.

[Wayning_Star]

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

actually the Cat doesn't have 'ideas', it only has its core programmng, it's a very expensive computerized idiot savant. The crucible was never a weapon, the organics just called it one, cause they 'hoped' it would enable them to stop the cycle, by destruction if necessary. At that point, anything that ridded the MEU of the cycle was fair game. And any decision posed by the cruciblecitadelcat, as far as I could tell.

But synthesis is his plan. That was never part of the crucilble design. If it was , he would of build the crucible himself. And it is a thinkingmachine, that why it choose te reaper solution.. The choice was made with pure logic. The concept of ends justifying the means.

hence the term 'sapient'. it wasn't able to divine wrong or right, only on and off..not even yes and no. generally speaking. It has no "plan" other than the cycle program/catalyst program. Apparently a corrupted version of the Cats original program from it's creators. (not explained well, or at all in the game for some weird reason?)

That just means he has no morality. Just logic. He can think on his own but just limited to his programing. He still can think.

but it cannot 'think up' it has no imagination. Kind of a big deal for sapient life forms. Logic= is or isn't on or off, not might be if we just think about it, or maybe those flowers can run a starship.. Cat would blow a fuse..nah, just ignore those as incomputables not a abstracts or plain misconcepts,we'd still ponder them just for the 'fun' of it...maybe.

[Ticonderoga117]

Wayning_Star wrote...
KiLang is so proud!!  Ever notice just how vague that statement is. What is "just an animal"?  It has no answer.

Not really. He's saying that he much more than an AI, much like we are much more than "just an animal".

[valkulon]

dreman9999 wrote...

Shepard:So you just an AI?

Catalyst :In as much as you are just an Animal....

I could of swore that it referred to itself as some form of V.I.. I'm rewatching to confirm that I didn't hear it, but if I'm mistaken then "my bad".

The response to Sheppard asking if it's an A.I. seems to me it telling him that he is more than just an A.I. though. At least to me. I'll have more when I finish watching the ending.

Modifié par Valhart, 15 août 2012 - 05:30 .

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It can be both. You have to give  a realy reason why it can't be both. Hardware upgrades and be power upgrades as well.
And it's obvious it is an upgrade being that the catalyst can do more things with the crucible attached then it did before. If it could do mass synthesis the way it did at the end of ME before, why didn't it do it?

The burden of proof is on you, since you're the person making the claim that it "upgrades" the Catalyst.

Why in the hell would the Crucible developers create a device that upgrades their enemy?

The proof is the fact that it can do new things now with the crucible attached. It's a logical deduction. Does the game have give you a literal explination of what is being shown to you?

Added, the very concept of the crucilbe is to take the crucible over and us it ageints the reapers. The upgrade originally is planned to be a weapon. Synthesis was not the idea of the creators of the crucible...It was the idea catalyst.

actually the Cat doesn't have 'ideas', it only has its core programmng, it's a very expensive computerized idiot savant. The crucible was never a weapon, the organics just called it one, cause they 'hoped' it would enable them to stop the cycle, by destruction if necessary. At that point, anything that ridded the MEU of the cycle was fair game. And any decision posed by the cruciblecitadelcat, as far as I could tell.

But synthesis is his plan. That was never part of the crucilble design. If it was , he would of build the crucible himself. And it is a thinkingmachine, that why it choose te reaper solution.. The choice was made with pure logic. The concept of ends justifying the means.

hence the term 'sapient'. it wasn't able to divine wrong or right, only on and off..not even yes and no. generally speaking. It has no "plan" other than the cycle program/catalyst program. Apparently a corrupted version of the Cats original program from it's creators. (not explained well, or at all in the game for some weird reason?)

That just means he has no morality. Just logic. He can think on his own but just limited to his programing. He still can think.

but it cannot 'think up' it has no imagination. Kind of a big deal for sapient life forms. Logic= is or isn't on or off, not might be if we just think about it, or maybe those flowers can run a starship.. Cat would blow a fuse..nah, just ignore those as incomputables not a abstracts or plain misconcepts,we'd still ponder them just for the 'fun' of it...maybe.

Logic is calutaion. It's ether or and  on and off. It can think, but only numericly via values. Yes, it has no abstract thought but abstract thought is a product of morality. It can only beable to do based on the info it has, being that it can aniylise it can think. Imagiantion is need to think of new things but it's not need to beable to think.
This this is still a point that it justhad pure logic and no morality.
Imagination is a way to think of new things without a foundation. Logic is a way of thinking of things with the info on hand.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 août 2012 - 05:31 .

[Wayning_Star]

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Valhart wrote...
It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

But he is an AI.

"So are you an AI?"
"As much as you are JUST an animal."

ninja'd.

KiLang is so proud!!  Ever notice just how vague that statement is. What is "just an animal"?  It has no answer.

An animal would just be organic life in general....ButI think it's more of an insult in his end...Just him being arrogant.

actually I think its' writers cramps myself. A computer wouldn't pose such an answer, they don't have an ego. Maybe enough fuzzy logic to incorporate a mimic? The notion is to infer that cat has a physical body, like shepard, it doesn't, so the quiz answer is incongruent, ie off the wall, coming from an ai/vi/sentient ai. Legion calls its physical self a platform as does Edi and they both call Shep a platform or unit seperate but "one" with it's core system/intellect. If the catalyst were to 'infer' it would be sapient, cause that implies imagination/guesswork. It would know what if, as well as what is. It doesn't, or the cycle would not continue..the game would suddenly      stop.

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Valhart wrote...
It's not an A.I., but a V.I.. It tells you this during the conversation Sheppard has with it.

I don't understand why people call it an A.I. at all. The original creators said that A.I. would wipe out organic life one day so why would they make an A.I.? They created a V.I. to help find a solution to the problem and it created a solution. Not one the creators or even A.I. liked I'd bet. 

But he is an AI.

"So are you an AI?"
"As much as you are JUST an animal."

ninja'd.

KiLang is so proud!!  Ever notice just how vague that statement is. What is "just an animal"?  It has no answer.

An animal would just be organic life in general....ButI think it's more of an insult in his end...Just him being arrogant.

actually I think its' writers cramps myself. A computer wouldn't pose such an answer, they don't have an ego. Maybe enough fuzzy logic to incorporate a mimic? The notion is to infer that cat has a physical body, like shepard, it doesn't, so the quiz answer is incongruent, ie off the wall, coming from an ai/vi/sentient ai. Legion calls its physical self a platform as does Edi and they both call Shep a platform or unit seperate but "one" with it's core system/intellect. If the catalyst were to 'infer' it would be sapient, cause that implies imagination/guesswork. It would know what if, as well as what is. It doesn't, or the cycle would not continue..the game would suddenly      stop.

Looking at EDI, and Legion. I would say computers do have egos. The very idea of AI is that they are self aware...Being self aware means they have an ego...The catalyst is an AI thus it has an ego.
Also, your missing he fact that legion is meany minds working as one. It sees it's platform irrelivent to it's self. Think of Legion's body to geth as us to cars.
Also imagination is just a way of thinking..It's not an idicator of life and free will.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 août 2012 - 05:38 .