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[RinpocheSchnozberry]

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-13-less-players-completed-mass-effect-3-than-finished-mass-effect-2

:lol:

The case against games like DAO?  Shut.  DA2 carved out the boring parts, and kept the fun parts.  People don't walk away from enjoyable experiences.  DA2 was more enjoyable than DAO for most people. 

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 13 août 2012 - 08:27 .

[andar91]

I think saying that it was more enjoyable is drawing rather a lot from just that statistic. For one thing, I think the length had a lot to do with it. Not to mention slightly easier gameplay from DA2.

[eyesofastorm]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-13-less-players-completed-mass-effect-3-than-finished-mass-effect-2

:lol:

The case against games like DAO?  Shut.  DA2 carved out the boring parts, and kept the fun parts.  People don't walk away from enjoyable experiences.  DA2 was more enjoyable than DAO for most people. 

You might note that significantly more people completed Origins though as 36% of 6 million is significantly more than 41% of 2 million.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

andar91 wrote...

I think saying that it was more enjoyable is drawing rather a lot from just that statistic. For one thing, I think the length had a lot to do with it. Not to mention slightly easier gameplay from DA2.

If people enjoyed tedious game play, DAO would have more completions.  DAO was only longer because it was skewed toward pointless fights.  DAO had a much better combat to cutscene ratio.  I know I enjoyed DA2 more than DAO.  Not that I didn't like DAO, but DA2 was better for me.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

eyesofastorm wrote...

You might note that significantly more people completed Origins though as 36% of 6 million is significantly more than 41% of 2 million.

Roughly 4 million people played DAO and were too bored by it to finish it in the face of other releases.  A little under half the people who played DA2 enjoyed it enough to finish the entire game in the face of other releases.  That's a much better ratio.  DA3 just had to draw a larger crowd and I'll finally have the game I want!

[Rawgrim]

So if only 1 person buys DA3, and finishes it. Does this mean DA3 is better than the first two?

[eyesofastorm]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

You might note that significantly more people completed Origins though as 36% of 6 million is significantly more than 41% of 2 million.

Roughly 4 million people played DAO and were too bored by it to finish it in the face of other releases.  A little under half the people who played DA2 enjoyed it enough to finish the entire game in the face of other releases.  That's a much better ratio.  DA3 just had to draw a larger crowd and I'll finally have the game I want!

Yes, as you say, more than twice as many people enjoyed DA:O enough to play it to completion.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Rawgrim wrote...

So if only 1 person buys DA3, and finishes it. Does this mean DA3 is better than the first two?

Reductio ad absurdum. 

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Yes, as you say, more than twice as many people enjoyed DA:O enough to play it to completion.

As long as we agree more who experienced the DAO forumla were so bored by it they gave up on the game and more people who experience the DA2 forumla enjoyed it enough to finish the game.

[AbsoluteApril]

I would assume it's a bit misleading since a lot of people (well, a lot of people that I've seen admit it on the BSN) didn't finish DA:O playthroughs because they were only playing the various origins to get achievements or see the various openings.
edit to clarify - which would skew how many games were started compared to how many were completed

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 13 août 2012 - 08:53 .

[eyesofastorm]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

Yes, as you say, more than twice as many people enjoyed DA:O enough to play it to completion.

As long as we agree more who experienced the DAO forumla were so bored by it they gave up on the game and more people who experience the DA2 forumla enjoyed it enough to finish the game.

Exactly.  A little over two million people played DA:O to completion and a little over 800,000 played DA2 to completion.  We're saying the same thing here.  I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from.  

[Jerrybnsn]

personally, I had about fifteen or sixteen games I started with Origins and about ten of them were complete playthroughs. Most of them were just perfections with only two of my main Wardens; one female and one male. With DA2 I started three games and finished just two of them.

So I guess you're right. I seemed to have completed more DA2 games percentage wise than Origins.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Exactly.  A little over two million people played DA:O to completion and a little over 800,000 played DA2 to completion.  We're saying the same thing here.  I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from.  

Exactly!  Person for person, DA2 held more people's interest than DAO.

[Rieverre]

Okay. Now you're just trolling.

[eyesofastorm]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

Exactly.  A little over two million people played DA:O to completion and a little over 800,000 played DA2 to completion.  We're saying the same thing here.  I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from.  

Exactly!  Person for person, DA2 held more people's interest than DAO.

Great!  Now all we can hope for is that some sensible person will make a sound business decision based on these straightforward statistics.  You know RinponcheSchnozberry, I think that in the course of getting to the bottom of these statistics, we have proven ourselves to be a great team!

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Great!  Now all we can hope for is that some sensible person will make a sound business decision based on these straightforward statistics.  You know RinponcheSchnozberry, I think that in the course of getting to the bottom of these statistics, we have proven ourselves to be a great team!

Will you team up with me and fight crime in Gotham city when Batman is on vacation?  We will be unstoppable!

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 13 août 2012 - 09:22 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

AbsoluteApril wrote...

I would assume it's a bit misleading since a lot of people (well, a lot of people that I've seen admit it on the BSN) didn't finish DA:O playthroughs because they were only playing the various origins to get achievements or see the various openings.
edit to clarify - which would skew how many games were started compared to how many were completed

I'm guessing the statistic tracks how many players finished the game once, not how many individual characters made it to the end.

Thats a pretty bold assumption. 

In my dealings with statistics, especially in regards to business statistics (and doubly so for entertainment statistics) is that what is NOT said when framing the data is the most important. 

I have seen the analysis of the DA:O 'unfinished playthrough' dilemma and found that the vast majority of these 'incomplete' playthroughs ended right at Ostagar. Now... why in the world would they end there? Could it be because that's where the origin beginning intro sequences ended? 

If anything, I'd say thee statistics indicate more people replayed Origins multiple times (so much that they didn't need to finish the game again) rather than with DA2, which completed one play through and tossed the game in the corner. 

Also, I regards to ME3, this could be slanted because of the Face Import mess up. MANY people started the game and did not play past the opening scene when they realized their Shelhard's face was not going to make it into the third game. 

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

I would assume it's a bit misleading since a lot of people (well, a lot of people that I've seen admit it on the BSN) didn't finish DA:O playthroughs because they were only playing the various origins to get achievements or see the various openings.
edit to clarify - which would skew how many games were started compared to how many were completed

The article says players, not playthroughs.  Maybe they over generalized, that is totally possible.  However, going by what we see... they said 64% of the people who played DAO didn't finish it.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I have seen the analysis of the DA:O 'unfinished playthrough' dilemma and found that the vast majority of these 'incomplete' playthroughs ended right at Ostagar. Now... why in the world would they end there? Could it be because that's where the origin beginning intro sequences ended? 

I'll need to see a link, good buddy!

If anything, I'd say thee statistics indicate more people replayed Origins multiple times (so much that they didn't need to finish the game again) rather than with DA2, which completed one play through and tossed the game in the corner. 

A fair point, good sir!  The article does say players however, not playthroughs.  If the six million includes people who played the game 10-12 times, then person for person, DA2 actually looks even better, if, as you say, most people got one play through and moved on to a new game.

[deuce985]

Flawed statistics are flawed.

How do we know the number behind the percentage? 50% completion doesn't necessarily mean a higher number of players completed the game over 40%...

10% less players might be completing it because of mechanics like broader appeal to casual gamers. Just too many variables behind this to take it credible. It's one reason I ignore surveys because they never give you all the details on how the survey was performed.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I have seen the analysis of the DA:O 'unfinished playthrough' dilemma and found that the vast majority of these 'incomplete' playthroughs ended right at Ostagar. Now... why in the world would they end there? Could it be because that's where the origin beginning intro sequences ended? 

I'll need to see a link, good buddy!

If anything, I'd say thee statistics indicate more people replayed Origins multiple times (so much that they didn't need to finish the game again) rather than with DA2, which completed one play through and tossed the game in the corner. 

A fair point, good sir!  The article does say players however, not playthroughs.  If the six million includes people who played the game 10-12 times, then person for person, DA2 actually looks even better, if, as you say, most people got one play through and moved on to a new game.

Part 1 above: For what it's worth, I remember the same analysis. I remember a dev commenting on it too, possibly Gaider. I don't have a link though.

Part 2 above: Nope it does not make either game look better, it makes the statistics look flawed. Flawed = meaningless.Comparing apples and oranges, and all that.

It's entirely possible that bioware, and by extention the article, got their statistics wrong. Unlikely perhaps, but possible.