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[Wrathion]

Icesong wrote...

*snip*

No? Ah, well.

No, what? 

[Icesong]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Icesong wrote...

*snip*

No? Ah, well.

No, what? 

Self-acknowledging that BW couldn't do that though I might like it.

[Wrathion]

Icesong wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Icesong wrote...

*snip*

No? Ah, well.

No, what? 

Self-acknowledging that BW couldn't do that though I might like it.

It crossed your mind for a second that they could? Your faith is strong. 
Considering the quality of their straight hairs, I really doub't they could pull anything is this forum off. :<
Well we can dream.

[Blacklash93]

You know what would solve all this? Having official mod tools again.

Do it Bioware.

[The Hierophant]

brownboy77 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

I would love to see an afro like this, instead of the rounded 60s and 70s styled fros that appear in various character creators...

Im with you. love this idea

The devs would have to add more detail to the hair design in order to prevent it from looking like carved wood though.

[RobRam10]

How about some dreadlocks?

[Sylvius the Mad]

The Hierophant wrote...

brownboy77 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

I would love to see an afro like this, instead of the rounded 60s and 70s styled fros that appear in various character creators...

Im with you. love this idea

The devs would have to add more detail to the hair design in order to prevent it from looking like carved wood though.

I'm forcd to disagree with that.  I would rather BioWare include the option, even if it does look like carved wood, than not include it.  Their insistence that we're not allowed to do things if they can't be done to their standards of quality is endlessly frustrating.

[Maria Caliban]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

But you can explain how he's wrong without accusing him of being racist.

Except no one accused anyone of being racist. You can't really complain about others being oversensitive and then have get the vapors over an accusation that never happened.

Logan Cloud wrote...

How can one be racist about hair?

The same way one can be racist about skin, eyefolds, eating habits, penis size, money usage, criminal history, and possible nationality.

Honestly, if people can turn fried chicken, watermelon, and kool-aid to racist ends, hair isn't that hard.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 août 2012 - 10:30 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I think Cullen's hair and of course the corn rows can work as Black hair for a guy PC. I'm not as familiar with female PC hair.

Obviously, the more options, the better!!

I think BW has trouble with curly hair though (and Black hair is naturally not straight). Only curly hair they have is the Cullen hair.

[Pasquale1234]

If they're going to make an effort to provide afro-textured head hair, they probably ought to also make all of the facial hair available with afro-texture.

[Emzamination]

coles4971 wrote...

AS ANOTHER BLACK PERSON

I HATE BLACK PEOPLE

am i doing it right?

Maker No

[AndrahilAdrian]

 Perhaps something like this:

or this, even better:

[Sylvius the Mad]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

But you can explain how he's wrong without accusing him of being racist.

Except no one accused anyone of being racist. You can't really complain about others being oversensitive and then have get the vapors over an accusation that never happened.

The accusation was of prejudice.  I see no material difference.

The thing that ostensibly makes racism bad is that it is prejudiced.  An accusation of prejudice is therefore morally identical to an accusation of racism.

[nightscrawl]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

But you can explain how he's wrong without accusing him of being racist.

Except no one accused anyone of being racist. You can't really complain about others being oversensitive and then have get the vapors over an accusation that never happened.

The accusation was of prejudice.  I see no material difference.

The thing that ostensibly makes racism bad is that it is prejudiced.  An accusation of prejudice is therefore morally identical to an accusation of racism.

Can we like... get back to hair please?

More hair options ftw!

[syllogi]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

But you can explain how he's wrong without accusing him of being racist.

Except no one accused anyone of being racist. You can't really complain about others being oversensitive and then have get the vapors over an accusation that never happened.

The accusation was of prejudice.  I see no material difference.

The thing that ostensibly makes racism bad is that it is prejudiced.  An accusation of prejudice is therefore morally identical to an accusation of racism.

Perhaps you should go read up on the differences between racism and prejudice, if you are so interested in the subject.

As it is, you're just continuing to derail the thread, which puzzles me since you came in here in the first place in order to say you have no interest in this feature for yourself.  You've also defended your use of the "Make Isabela Better by Making Her White" mod in the past.  Why are you still posting here now?

Edit: and my last words on the subject, because it would be a shame if the thread was closed because of ignorance and stupidity; a person can be prejudiced against a hairstyle without being racist.  I made a comment about others being racist towards me for having dreadlocks in the past, I didn't say that about Entropic Angel.  Get it?  I'm done here.

Modifié par syllogi, 17 août 2012 - 03:08 .

[Fortlowe]

I'm Black. Racism and prejudice is the unfortunate cost of doing business for me and my "group". I'm not looking to make an issue out of it in a game forum. I just don't see a reason beyond that "cost", why this is a persistent issue in Bioware games. Other (lesser) game companies handle black/African character traits rather well. There doesn't need to be any more reason to include NPC's and character building traits that are recognizable as being of African decent, than there is of European decent. It is FANTASY, after all. Anything goes.

Bioware can do this. Bioware should do this. Period.

[Momiji.mii]

Count me in as one who'd love to see some real afro hairstyles in DA! Lots of great examples have already been posted in the thread and 3-4 of those or more would be a nice addition to the CC. It'd be nice if the skin tones were able to be darker as well, though I think they said that the game engine prevented that. :/

[ScotGaymer]

Um, I don't want to sound bad here but since when has Dragon Age allowed you to be black?

The darkest the skin colour slider went prior to modding was sallow skinned like someone from Greece, or Israel, or Egypt. Ya know Latin/Arabic?

Unless I completely missed something here, Thedas is a European-esque continent. Therefore no black people.

To be including black folk into a clearly western medieval universe is both anachronistic, and would smack of tokenism to me. Which I am definately against; I think there is nothing worse than tokenism.

The darkest a Theodisian can get is Rivaini which is a place a bit like Greece/Turkey.

It's not that I don't want black folk to be represented. It's just I would like a good lore reason for it, for a black skinned race to suddenly pop up in a medieval westernesque universe/continent; like the Redguards fleeing Yokuda before it was destroyed by a natural disaster and emigrating to Tamriel.
I don't want them included "just cause we need black people in this universe" - as I said to me that would just be anachronistic tokenism. And to me that's as revolting as outright "we aren't including blacks because we hate them".

[Pasquale1234]

Momiji.mii wrote...
Count me in as one who'd love to see some real afro hairstyles in DA! Lots of great examples have already been posted in the thread and 3-4 of those or more would be a nice addition to the CC. It'd be nice if the skin tones were able to be darker as well, though I think they said that the game engine prevented that. :/

Or to be more specific, I would guess the lighting engine may have something to do with it.

IRL, our depth perception is part of our ability to see details, but when you reduce something to 2D, you have to count on gradations of color to show highlights, shadows, etc. in order to make something appear 3D, and make the features pop.  When something is darker to begin with, the color palette from that base color to dead black shadow is compressed, i.e., you don't have as many color gradations to render the features.  Put that darker something in some area that isn't well-lit or is being rendered with a lighting engine that isn't up to the job, and the features become very difficult to discern.

I'm guessing (hoping) we'll be seeing darker skintones in the games when the engines improve enough to render them better under a broader variety of lighting conditions.

[Emzamination]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Um, I don't want to sound bad here but since when has Dragon Age allowed you to be black?

The darkest the skin colour slider went prior to modding was sallow skinned like someone from Greece, or Israel, or Egypt. Ya know Latin/Arabic?

Unless I completely missed something here, Thedas is a European-esque continent. Therefore no black people.

To be including black folk into a clearly western medieval universe is both anachronistic, and would smack of tokenism to me. Which I am definately against; I think there is nothing worse than tokenism.

The darkest a Theodisian can get is Rivaini which is a place a bit like Greece/Turkey.

It's not that I don't want black folk to be represented. It's just I would like a good lore reason for it, for a black skinned race to suddenly pop up in a medieval westernesque universe/continent; like the Redguards fleeing Yokuda before it was destroyed by a natural disaster and emigrating to Tamriel.
I don't want them included "just cause we need black people in this universe" - as I said to me that would just be anachronistic tokenism. And to me that's as revolting as outright "we aren't including blacks because we hate them".

So let me get this straight, you're suggesting you'd be ok If a person in thedas looked like they were from Isreal (Asia, bordering Africa) or Egypt ( a countrie in Africa) because of a color slider, yet you'd need lore to justify the existence of africans because they're darker?

It is not a 'westenesque' continent, Thedas is based on medieval Great britain which unless the continental plates shifted while I wasn't looking, is in the East.Anachronistic? Thedas is set in a fantasy universe filled with magic, dragons and gods, What in the maker's name would give you the impression that they were following a real world historical time line? Do you ever proof read and think about the Ignorant drivel you type before hitting submit?

In all the entirety of the english language, you could find no other way to phrase the Bolded statements that wouldn't make them come off as passive agressive, inflamatory and plain disrespectful to an Actual race of people?

You Ignoramus are the shining example of why race is not allowed to be discussed on this forum.There are people of all walks of life and nationalities contributing to this forum and the production of this series, If you have nothing Anti-Jerk to say how about you do us a favor and say nothing at all.As nightcrawler suggested, let's just stick to talking about the hair, the people behind it are irrelevant. Smh...

[Reznore57]

From what i understand some hair cuts are difficult to make , curls , and well probably affro hair.
If i remember well , it requires a lot of polygons to look good.

But yeah they should make an effort about it , because dark skinned pc /pnj with straight hair is sometimes a bit off.
The black skinned texture also need some work , because it's a bit reddish depending on the light.
(But i saw that problem on other games too ...I have no idea why it's like that , some technical thing i suppose.)

[ScotGaymer]

Emzamination wrote...

So let me get this straight, you're suggesting you'd be ok If a person in thedas looked like they were from Isreal (Asia, bordering Africa) or Egypt ( a countrie in Africa) because of a color slider, yet you'd need lore to justify the existence of africans because they're darker?

It is not a 'westenesque' continent, Thedas is based on medieval Great britain which unless the continental plates shifted while I wasn't looking, is in the East.Anachronistic? Thedas is set in a fantasy universe filled with magic, dragons and gods, What in the maker's name would give you the impression that they were following a real world historical time line? Do you ever proof read and think about the Ignorant drivel you type before hitting submit?

In all the entirety of the english language, you could find no other way to phrase the Bolded statements that wouldn't make them come off as passive agressive, inflamatory and plain disrespectful to an Actual race of people?

You Ignoramus are the shining example of why race is not allowed to be discussed on this forum.There are people of all walks of life and nationalities contributing to this forum and the production of this series, If you have nothing Anti-Jerk to say how about you do us a favor and say nothing at all.As nightcrawler suggested, let's just stick to talking about the hair, the people behind it are irrelevant. Smh...

Um, no.

You are completely and totally wrong.

Ferelden (a COUNTRY not a CONTINENT) is a country based partly on medieval ENGLAND. Thedas THE CONTINENT is based upon a pseudo medieval European continent, which would be, and is made up of peoples that are akin to caucasians and latin peoples.
The darkest people seem to be the Rivaini, which are a race of people which appear to be akin to the Greeks and Turk, both very dark skinned people that are patently NOT black folk.

As I said the continent of Thedas is a Europe like continent, and the people therein living are European like peoples. The climate and enviroment of such a continent would NOT give rise to an exceedingly dark skinned people akin to our world Africans.

There is nothing ignorant about that. It is simply an acknowledgement of fact. That fact being it was the climate/environment that created all the various little variations of "race" in humanity in our world over the millenia. And as near as we can tell it absolutely works the same in "humanity" in the world of Thedas.

And in the setting they do not appear to have the technology, or magic, to allow large scale migration between the warmer climes that would give rise to a black like or asiatic like peoples, and the more temperate Thedas.

This is just basic geography, and how it affects things like physical differentials, and cultural differences.

Therefore; as I said I am not against black people being represented in game (or indeed any other race); just as long as there is an adequate lore reason for them to pop up in the pseudo-European medieval setting of Thedas. Like the Redguards of Tamriel.
Otherwise having a random black or asiatic NPC randomly pop up runs the risk of being both anachronistic, and smacking of tokenism.

Being a gay guy, I get what its like to be part of a "persecuted minority" by the "white majority". And there is nothing worse when you read a book, or watch a play, or watch a tv program, or even play a game and you come across a random NPC that is nothing more than a lame stereotypical gay/black/asian/whatever that is only there just cause. So that blacks/gays/asians/whatever can't say they weren't included, and thus can't be offended.

Having the random token black man just to not offend black people, or the random token gay just to not offend gays, is just as offensive as having them excluded because of racism, or homophobia.

Sometimes its okay to not having to represent every single minority or group out there in this fictional world that has been created, if it doesn't fit the lore or setting for them to be there. At least not without a proper in-universe reason for it.
After all, games are about escapism, and enjoyment. Not everything from the real world absolutely has to bleed over.

So at the risk of being a little rude and hostile, get your facts straight before you fling around accusations of ignorance at people.

EDIT:
To the discussion about hair, I agree that there isn't enough variation going on there. And if they did decide to include the option to play a character from a nation of "black" people or "asian" people then they should absolutely make more of an effect to adequately reflect their hair types.

I, however, still don't recall even having the ability to play as a "black" person, or "asian" person prior to modding in either Dragon Age. Could be wrong tho.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 17 août 2012 - 05:07 .

[The Hierophant]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

brownboy77 wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

I would love to see an afro like this, instead of the rounded 60s and 70s styled fros that appear in various character creators...

Im with you. love this idea

The devs would have to add more detail to the hair design in order to prevent it from looking like carved wood though.

I'm forcd to disagree with that.  I would rather BioWare include the option, even if it does look like carved wood, than not include it.  Their insistence that we're not allowed to do things if they can't be done to their standards of quality is endlessly frustrating.

 
At this point i can't disagree with the addition of more customization options regardless of their quality. If the pc for next game is human only then there should be more options in facial features like lip shapes, ear types, and body mass customization.

@ the bolded - that's terrible defeatist logic like "If you never try, you never fail."

Modifié par The Hierophant, 17 août 2012 - 04:28 .

[coldSnap]

Some might give me the crazy look, but whenever I play a maleBlackHawke, Cullen's hair is pretty close to a minifro (espcially if you make it black), or at least thats how i role play it, cuz i refuse to use the fade cut with the receding hairline. no thanks Bioware. no thanks.

This is not to say that i think Cullen himself has course hair (it actually looks wavy and slicked back) but i digress.

Modifié par KaidanLover, 17 août 2012 - 04:40 .