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[Naked Fury]

Looking back, the seeds of my dialogue-skipping addiction were sown as early as the opening movie. I was immediately turned off by the outright Lord of the Rings borrowing. Even some lines were nearly identical to the LoTR film narration ("it was the hubris of men that brought...").

Several hooded figures in black are shown. They were once men, we are told, "twisted and cursed by their own corruption." You don't say? Ever hear of the Black Riders? Yes, I believe you have.

The darkspawn army is growing. A dark horizon is shown. Mountains. The final shot is indistinguishable from the horizon of Mordor.

Then there were the ridiculous cliches, not only in the opening film but throughout the writing. It reminded me of the Christian Rock genre, where there is a glossary of about 200 words and phrases from which lyrics are almost exclusively chosen. Likewise Dragon Age pulls from a glossary of ideas, duct-taping them together to form a simulacrum of a story.

I was not always the addict that I am today. I didn't skip dialogue in BG2 or KOTOR. I remember being interested and experiencing something unique. There is a creative spark in those two games. Each has engaging characters. Each tells a story which happens to have a fantasy setting. With Dragon Age, we only have the setting. Things seem to be happening in that setting, but they aren't interesting enough for me to care.

Yet I ride on, with my precious escape key as my companion. So get me to the next quest, get me to the next fight, get me to the end. Dragon Age, maybe I'm just not that into you.

[B33ker]

If you didn't buy the game for the story aspect of it, then you bought the wrong game.



Trade it in for a nice FPS, you'll be happier.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Does it get you off of the forums too?

[Darth_Shizz]

Burn it with acid...or fire

[OwlMrtn]

ho ho. i c wut u did ther.

[Rainen89]

I don't quite understand the point of posting on a game forum about how much you didn't like the game. (Also on a side note, evil forces raising an army. Men being corrupted due to their own arrogance/desire for power. Is about as unique as the concept of a dwarf or elf. They didn't copy LOTR just because LOTR is the only source of fantasy/myth story you've ever read don't say they copied. Seriously, even Tolkien took ideas from other sources.



TLDR Go buy Reflex. My lawl friends all say it's "amazing".

[Time4Tiddy]

Unfortunately, by hitting escape every time you are losing all the subtleties and idiosyncrasies that DO actually make this game different. I don't really understand how you can say it's completely copying every other fantasy when you are skipping all the dialogue that explains this world and how it works.



At the end of the day, dwarves, elves, dragons, demons, these are the staples of fantasy and you can only go so far outside that if you want to attract a fantasy audience. The way you make your world unique is by giving them atypical motivations, interesting backstories, and unusual sociopolitical circumstances. You know, all the stuff that's in those conversations you've been skipping.

[Dasim4]

Funny. I thought the whole point of these games was to escape. Now you're there hitting escape to escape the escape. Why play at all?

[gersen16]

I need to turn off subtitles to enjoy it, otherwise I read too fast, don't look at the characters, and end up pushing 'escape' as well. I like that there's an option to read all the dialogue again, if you do miss the odd important word.

[Naked Fury]

B33ker wrote...

If you didn't buy the game for the story aspect of it, then you bought the wrong game.

Except the point of the post is the opposite of what you comprehended.

[Creature 1]

Naked Fury wrote...
I was not always the addict that I am today. I didn't skip dialogue in BG2 or KOTOR. I remember being interested and experiencing something unique. There is a creative spark in those two games. Each has engaging characters. Each tells a story which happens to have a fantasy setting. With Dragon Age, we only have the setting. Things seem to be happening in that setting, but they aren't interesting enough for me to care.

Yet I ride on, with my precious escape key as my companion. So get me to the next quest, get me to the next fight, get me to the end. Dragon Age, maybe I'm just not that into you.

If you keep hitting the escape key, you will naturally miss a lot of the story and not be interested in it. 

[nksaint]

It has it's unique parts, but I do agree somewhat. The story is not entirely unheard of, but it is rare that stories do not share aspects with others now. If I were to write a story and you compared it to a masterpiece like LotR I would be pleased.



I think by far the mage twist is the coolest storyline part. Have you read into that part? I don't want to post any spoilers, but it is nice and I'd be glad to talk to you about it through forum messages.

[b4igum]

silly kid dont u know everything is stolen from one thing or another these days...welcome to the 21st centry...nothing is new anymore. even music is doomed to repeating itself or its just plain crap...ya i said it. someone had to :/

[Grommash94]

It is certainly similar to LOTR....but seriously, most fantasy is. However, I do feel, that compared to other fantasy games, Dragon Age is not as generic...it seems more unique.

[Rainen89]

Anyone who honestly believes that DAO copied from LOTR is out of touch with any semblance of fantasy storyline history. The ONLY thing I could see is the "hubris of man" other than that, you have no correlation whatsoever. Frankly, even that's a weak argument seeing as how pretty much every problem in the world can be traced back to either our own selfishness or arrogance.

Modifié par Rainen89, 22 décembre 2009 - 11:56 .

[nksaint]

You dont see a resemblance in a Hurlock and an Ogre from LotRs?...I think it is fairly clear that some aspects of the stories are similar.

[b4igum]

i guess what he's trying to say is if its not star wars its not worth getting into the story, just get right to the action...do u just keep hitting chapter skip in movies to get to the sex parts frank? seriously man expand ur horizons and live a little...lucas and tolken werent the only great minds in this world.

[Rainen89]

I do, I also see a resemblance between orcs/trolls/goblins/demons/dragons/elves/dwarves blah, blah, blah, blah, blah those things or ideas at least existed way before LOTR I assure you. Yes they're similar. Frankly the only thing that seems to change in peoples interpretation of size/appearance is elves/trolls. For whatever reason. Otherwise it's pretty much copy/paste. This is a fantasy game if they want a fantasy crowd they need to pick similar elements. Frankly the broodmother concept is completely original.

[nksaint]

I agree. It has a lot of original aspects. I don't think he should be bashed for pointing out similarities though. If he prefers to play for the action and strategy aspects it shouldn't bother us. I really do think you should try playing it as a mage though Frank and delving into that aspect. It is the best of the stories in my opinion.

[Rainen89]

My intent wasn't to bash. I just find it irritating that people really think that LOTR invented a storyline like this. I lovvvve tolkien, love it but even those ideas are borrowed from previous generations. We'd have really @#*@# games if every single developer was forced to recreate every idea and concept from the ground up with no previous inspiration.

[b4igum]

^--nuff said

[nksaint]

I think Tolkein really only borrowed from mythology. I don't recall any other novels that were before LotR that have similar stories and settings. I wanted to double check though and wikipedia mostly agrees with me.



You may enjoy reading it Rainen. It is pretty thorough.

[soteria]

nksaint, he's not getting bashed for pointing out similarities, he's getting bashed for trying to say that superficial similarities in the story means the whole thing was a copy-paste from LOTR. And then, he admits that he basically skips all the dialogue... so how would he know how similar or different the story is?

[Ryngard]

The OP is wrong... I want to be more derogatory but I don't want the mods to be mean to me. heh



Tolkien is a good storyteller, but he didn't INVENT the genre nor the basic fantasy elements. He customized them for his world, just like Bioware did. However, unlike all those who came out after Tolkien, Bioware made several unique changes to the world mythology and developed a great setting.