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[NoUserNameHere]

The problem with the "but most games barely get 10%" arguement is that this encompasses all game types -- Minecraft, Lego Batman, crappy movie games, multiplayer-focused games.

I played Halo 3, I saw the "currently finishing the fight on normal" tag about as often as I saw the "beat the game on Legendary" tag several years into the multiplayer. These are the people who couldn't point the Arbiter out to you on a character roster. That's not the single player audience.


We need specific stats for story-based RPG type games. Based on Bioware games alone, this seems kinda average. Mass Effect 2 seemed pretty high. Likely because the endgame was the crux of the marketing campaign.

I also want to know how many people who bought the game even started single player. That'd be a prime indicator of multiplayer sales.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm not reading every page of the thread, but what is meant by "finished" is completing the final mission on any difficulty per the author. I e-mailed him.

[Torrible]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

The problem with the "but most games barely get 10%" arguement is that this encompasses all game types -- Minecraft, Lego Batman, crappy movie games, multiplayer-focused games.

I played Halo 3, I saw the "currently finishing the fight on normal" tag about as often as I saw the "beat the game on Legendary" tag several years into the multiplayer. These are the people who couldn't point the Arbiter out to you on a character roster. That's not the single player audience.


We need specific stats for story-based RPG type games. Based on Bioware games alone, this seems kinda average. Mass Effect 2 seemed pretty high. Likely because the endgame was the crux of the marketing campaign.

I also want to know how many people who bought the game even started single player. That'd be a prime indicator of multiplayer sales.

Around 50% of ME2 players completed the game, not that high. Anyway the statistics prove that

- BSN users do not accurately represent the consumer base; casual gamers do.
- Ending of a game is the least played/experienced part of it.
- We are the vocal minority by default regardless of how we find the ending.

It also makes the EC a more generous gesture than otherwise considered. 36% completed DAO? Not a surprise since it was the longest out of recent Bioware games. 

From: http://articles.cnn....mers?_s=PM:TECH 

Who's to blame: The developer or the player? Or maybe it's our culture? The correct answer is, in fact, all of the above.

At the beginning of the 21st century, the average gamer was pushing 30 -- mid-to-late 20s, to be exact. They weren't playing as often as they did in their adolescence, but in between entry-level jobs, earnest slacking and higher education, there was still ample time to game.
Fast forward to today, and the average gamer is 37, according to the Entertainment Software Association. The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 41 -- nearing Just for Men-type levels. They're raising kids. In the middle of a career. Worried about retirement.
Not only that, but time is precious for gamers of all ages. "People have short attention spans and limited time now," says Jeremy Airey, head of U.S. production at Konami.

"I worked on a project that took 50 people and 18 months to produce 20 minutes of game play," he says. "With the expectations so high for visual and audio fidelity, lifelike animations, enemy behavior and movie-quality cinemas, it can take two years for a team of 100 people to create six hours of playable story. At an average burn rate of $10,000 per man month, that's $24 million just in developer cost. You're not likely to find a publisher that will foot the bill for extending that campaign to 20 hours." Of course, why make a 20-plus hour game when most players aren't completing them, as is the case with "Red Dead Redemption"? The answer is, most publishers don't. 

 

Modifié par Torrible, 14 août 2012 - 05:22 .

[AlanC9]

ChookAttack wrote...
I agree.  They can't not know which particular players those saves belong to.  The thing is, though, that statistics can be manipulated to show anything you want and Bioware can utilise those statistics in any number of ways.  Without seeing the actual talk that Mr. Melo gave we can't know what point he was trying to reinforce with those numbers.  My opinion is that the gaming sites are cherry picking from his talk in an attempt to get hits on their sites with these headlines.

If you look at the Eurogamer article the GameInformer article was based on, Mr. Melo seems to be using the numbers to talk about longevity of player interest in the game, which supports the opinion that the numbers aren't just how many players completed the game, but how many playthroughs were completed, including multiple playthroughs.

There's manipulating numbers, and there's just plain lying. He says "players." If he doesn't mean players when he says "players," he's either lying or being misquoted.

And are the ME2 numbers also wrong? Is that 56% also only the percentage of completed savegames?

You've got nothing here except an unwillingness to believe what the man's saying.

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 août 2012 - 05:19 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Peregrin25]

I think a lot of it comes down to word of mouth too. With so many players that used to be dedicated fans of the series that now won't even touch ME3 with a 10 foot pole. Those people spreading the word, even if someone has already bought it. They may not finish it just due to the fact they are going to go into the game expecting to be let down.

Not to mention you have Youtube and other sites where you can watch the game play and endings and get the entire gist of the game and how it ends and not even have to play.

For me. I have only played and completed it 4 times, even though the Extended Cut made the game replayable for me. Still having the knowledge of the controversy and the bad juju the ending brought, all the press release lies and bull sh*t spewed at us kind of ruins the game for me.

I still enjoyed it despite it's serious issues. However I wouldn't recommend it to any of my friends and a few that I do have either didn't finish it or refuse to buy or play it. I probably won't play it again for a long long while.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 14 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[Torrible]

Peregrin25 wrote...

I think a lot of it comes down to word of mouth too. With so many players that used to be dedicated fans of the series that now won't even touch ME3 with a 10 foot pole. Those people spreading the word, even if someone has already bought it. They may not finish it just due to the fact they are going to go into the game expecting to be let down.

Not to mention you have Youtube and other sites where you can watch the game play and endings and get the entire gist of the game and how it ends and not even have to play.

For me. I have only played and completed it 4 times, even though the Extended Cut made the game replayable for me. Still having the knowledge of the controversy and the bad juju the ending brought, all the press release lies and bull sh*t spewed at us kind of ruins the game for me.

I still enjoyed it despite it's serious issues. However I wouldn't recommend it to any of my friends and a few that I do have either didn't finish it or refuse to buy or play it. I probably won't play it again for a long long while.

Too bad Red Dead's excellent word of mouth and its near perfect ending that serves as a shining example to all story driven games didn't help boost the completion rate above 10%. Read the CNN article.

Modifié par Torrible, 14 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[Peregrin25]

Torrible wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

I think a lot of it comes down to word of mouth too. With so many players that used to be dedicated fans of the series that now won't even touch ME3 with a 10 foot pole. Those people spreading the word, even if someone has already bought it. They may not finish it just due to the fact they are going to go into the game expecting to be let down.

Not to mention you have Youtube and other sites where you can watch the game play and endings and get the entire gist of the game and how it ends and not even have to play.

For me. I have only played and completed it 4 times, even though the Extended Cut made the game replayable for me. Still having the knowledge of the controversy and the bad juju the ending brought, all the press release lies and bull sh*t spewed at us kind of ruins the game for me.

I still enjoyed it despite it's serious issues. However I wouldn't recommend it to any of my friends and a few that I do have either didn't finish it or refuse to buy or play it. I probably won't play it again for a long long while.

Too bad Red Dead's excellent word of mouth and its near perfect ending that serves as a shining example to all story driven games didn't help boost the completion rate above 10%. Read the CNN article.

That kinda sucks. I liked Red Dead. I thought it was excellent game. I just don't get how people can't or won't complete a game that is awesome. I don't think I own a game that I have never completed 100%.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 14 août 2012 - 05:48 .

[SinZinDetta]

75 percent of trueachievements.com players got the Legend achievement in ME3.

http://www.trueachie...m?gamerid=81369

[AlanC9]

ChookAttack wrote...
I don't know where you are getting these quotes from with Mr. Melo specifically saying "players".  All I've seen so far are second hand paraphrases with no direct quotes.  If you have a link to a quote from Mr. Melo actually describing these statistics as the number of players that completed ME3 as opposed to the number of playthroughs that were completed, feel free to share.

You've got nothing here except a willingness to put your own bias on things. belief that journalists aren't totally incompetent at reporting what people tell them.

Fixed.

You're arguing that everyone's misreporting these numbers, for ME2 , ME3... and every other game too? That's really your position?

If so, we're done here.

[Han Shot First]

Peregrin25 wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

I think a lot of it comes down to word of mouth too. With so many players that used to be dedicated fans of the series that now won't even touch ME3 with a 10 foot pole. Those people spreading the word, even if someone has already bought it. They may not finish it just due to the fact they are going to go into the game expecting to be let down.

Not to mention you have Youtube and other sites where you can watch the game play and endings and get the entire gist of the game and how it ends and not even have to play.

For me. I have only played and completed it 4 times, even though the Extended Cut made the game replayable for me. Still having the knowledge of the controversy and the bad juju the ending brought, all the press release lies and bull sh*t spewed at us kind of ruins the game for me.

I still enjoyed it despite it's serious issues. However I wouldn't recommend it to any of my friends and a few that I do have either didn't finish it or refuse to buy or play it. I probably won't play it again for a long long while.

Too bad Red Dead's excellent word of mouth and its near perfect ending that serves as a shining example to all story driven games didn't help boost the completion rate above 10%. Read the CNN article.

That kinda sucks. I liked Red Dead. I thought it was excellent game. I just don't get how people can't or won't complete a game that is awesome. I don't think I own a game that I have never completed 100%.

Because a lot of people who even liked the game, played it just like they play GTA titles: They ran around blasting people without doing many of the missions.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

SinZinDetta wrote...

75 percent of trueachievements.com players got the Legend achievement in ME3.

http://www.trueachie...m?gamerid=81369

Not everyone have a user on there.. I sure don't.

[AlanC9]

SinZinDetta wrote...

75 percent of trueachievements.com players got the Legend achievement in ME3.

http://www.trueachie...m?gamerid=81369

So people who collect achievements... tend to collect achievements?

[BiO]

I'd just like to say, it's the same number for Half-Life 2 as well, if not less. Check up on the achievements if you don't believe me.

People not finishing Single-Player games is nothing new, and speaks nothing of ME3.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

42% is a high percentage for a game as lengthy like Mass Effect imo. Many people buy games and just don't finish them. You could probably look at some of the "best" games in history and I'm sure their completion percentage isn't much higher.

[Ieldra]

SinZinDetta wrote...
75 percent of trueachievements.com players got the Legend achievement in ME3.

http://www.trueachie...m?gamerid=81369

At the top, it says 11% completed it. Something's not right here. Getting the "Legend" achievement means you completed the game.

[MrDavid]

42% is good Bioware, your developer will be pleased.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

This may surprise you but a lot of people buy games and never finish them.

[Hannah Montana]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

This may surprise you but a lot of people buy games and never finish them.

Only casual gamers, I can not do that.

[Helios969]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

This may surprise you but a lot of people buy games and never finish them.

This.

I've got dozens of titles lying at home for xbox, ps3, and pc...90% I've never finished due to the boredom killing the same enemy over and over, lame story, turning out to just be a bad game coupled with limited gaming time.  BW titles are the few that I've completed (DA2 the exception) and along with the Drake's Fortune trilogy are the only games I've played to completion more than once.

Whether 40% or 90% finish a game it matters little.  That percentage that didn't complete the game still shelled out the money for the title.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've got a bunch of games here that I've never finished. I just lost interest in them, and they're not worth taking back for at trade. Maybe I'll finish them some day.

[morrie23]

I'd find the statistic comparing the number of repeat playthroughs done by players in ME2 and ME3 more interesting than the completion percentage.

[jancz89]

this is something completely new for me, why would someone spent so much money on a video game and then didn't even finished it? it's like buying the book and don't read it to the end, or watch only half of the movie you bought or or or eating only half of your hot dog

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Lucky B******* wish I never finished it.