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[Isichar]

Trillions of deaths from the reapers, lives destroyed in the most horrible way possible. By using the crucible you are justifying what the reapers have done to countless organic cycles.

By using the crucible you are justifying that all trillions of deaths were worth it just to save your one cycle. It is selfish and ignores those who died to actually stop the reapers, not submit to them.


Synthesis is the ultimate renegade option, you are saying the ends justify the means.

Modifié par Isichar, 14 août 2012 - 03:40 .

[OGWS]

Isichar wrote...

Right?

[Omanisat]

So it's better the trillions of deaths are on shep's hands, instead of the Reapers?

[Cobalt2113]

Better to just let the horrible deaths continue then?

[Isichar]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You know that the Crucible does things other that Synthesis right?

Yeah, 1 option forces you to commit genocide and damage most technology (Ignoring the issue of how many races actually are dependant on tech to survive) and the other lets me kill myself to create a new catalyst, oh joy.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Omanisat wrote...

So it's better the trillions of deaths are on shep's hands, instead of the Reapers?

Obviously it's the better moral choice to make. What kind of person would Shepard be if he didn't let the entire galaxy perish instead of choosing an option that preserved at the very least all the organic beings?

[ZerebusPrime]

There needed to be a Destroy-Refuse option.  And I don't mean conventional victory.  I mean...

"So that's the thing over there that will destroy you?"
"Yes, it is, but our destruction will solve noth-"
"Ok thanks done talking now." *BLAM BLAM BLAM*

[Omanisat]

Isichar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You know that the Crucible does things other that Synthesis right?

Yeah, 1 option forces you to commit genocide and damage most technology (Ignoring the issue of how many races actually are dependant on tech to survive) and the other lets me kill myself to create a new catalyst, oh joy.

You complain the Destroy forces the geth/EDI to die, but you have no problem letting the entire galaxy, including geth/EDI, get killed by the Reapers in Refuse?

[Isichar]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Better to just let the horrible deaths continue then?

Yes. Reapers will fail no matter what you do, At least then the sacrfices actually meant something and all those people who died fighting the reapers did not do so just for someone to ultimately say "hey catalyst you were right to do what you did"

Yes I would much rather die fighting for what I believed in then justify the murdering of trillions of lives, just so I can live.

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

Wait, what?
How is using the Crucible "justifying" what the Reapers have done?

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Isichar wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Better to just let the horrible deaths continue then?

Yes. Reapers will fail no matter what you do, At least then the sacrfices actually meant something and all those people who died fighting the reapers did not do so just for someone to ultimately say "hey catalyst you were right to do what you did"

Yes I would much rather die fighting for what I believed in then justify the murdering of trillions of lives, just so I can live.

So it's better for later generations to use the Crucible instead of Shepard? I am not sure I understand the logic here.

[D24O]

Why does anyone give a s*** that someone chose refuse. Its not like you can't choose destroy if everyone doesn't, you are still perfectly capable of making your own choice regardless of what others do.

[justafan]

Well, so long as the crucible was not created by the reapers themselves, you are actually continuing the legacy of those trillions by continuing their work to kill their killers (in destroy at least). This way, only the relatively smaller number of Geth and EDI are actually on your hands.

However, refuse may still retain the moral highground depending on who you ask.

Modifié par justafan, 14 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

D24O wrote...

Why does anyone give a s*** that someone chose refuse. Its not like you can't choose destroy if everyone doesn't, you are still perfectly capable of making your own choice regardless of what others do.

Why do you give a **** that someone is giving a **** about someone else's opinion? If we boil everything down then no one would need to discuss or converse about anything, as no one should care about anyone's opinion than their own. That gets boring after a while.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 14 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[Omni-Science2]

Isichar wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Better to just let the horrible deaths continue then?

Yes. Reapers will fail no matter what you do, At least then the sacrfices actually meant something and all those people who died fighting the reapers did not do so just for someone to ultimately say "hey catalyst you were right to do what you did"

Yes I would much rather die fighting for what I believed in then justify the murdering of trillions of lives, just so I can live.

This right there. People will find their own justifications for choosing Refusal or Destroy though. 

Refusal has the most moral integrity, Imho. And you succeed in the end, but only in the sense that the Protheans and those that came before them succeeded.

[Isichar]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

Better to just let the horrible deaths continue then?

Yes. Reapers will fail no matter what you do, At least then the sacrfices actually meant something and all those people who died fighting the reapers did not do so just for someone to ultimately say "hey catalyst you were right to do what you did"

Yes I would much rather die fighting for what I believed in then justify the murdering of trillions of lives, just so I can live.

So it's better for later generations to use the Crucible instead of Shepard? I am not sure I understand the logic here.

Thats because you assume that future generations will actually use the crucible, I think they stopped the reapers the correct way, seeing as how the game does not actually state that future generations use the crucible to win.

[D24O]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Why do you give a **** that someone is giving a **** about someone else's opinion? If we boil everything down then no one would need to discuss or converse about anything, as no one should care about anyone's opinion than their own. That gets boring after a while.

Theres discussing the ending, and there's yelling at someone about how they're a horrible person for not choosing my ending. That's why I give a s***, because it makes discussions about endings unpleasant and unproductive. 

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I will give you that if you don't go by tweets from the Devs and what not that how future generations succeed is up to you. I however read that tweet, and now I can't see any other way than they apparently intended it (and didn't implement it at all), so in my mind future generations still use the Crucible.

[Omni-Science2]

^ So you wuss out because people get emotional and irrational about it?

That's pretty sad. Challenge someone by pointing that out to them, then ignoring them if they refuse to see it.

You don't get to set parameters on discussions, mods do.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

D24O wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Why do you give a **** that someone is giving a **** about someone else's opinion? If we boil everything down then no one would need to discuss or converse about anything, as no one should care about anyone's opinion than their own. That gets boring after a while.

Theres discussing the ending, and there's yelling at someone about how they're a horrible person for not choosing my ending. That's why I give a s***, because it makes discussions about endings unpleasant and unproductive. 

Hmm, didn't see any yelling or accusations that Isichar was a terrible person for choosing that ending. Just that for people of a different opinion, his justifications didn't make sense. He's free to choose whatever, but that doesn't mean we all have to acquiese.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 14 août 2012 - 04:04 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I'd rather be a monster who saved the galaxy than the hero who doomed it. Definitions of hero varies, and to me being a hero means sometimes you have to be a monster.

[Tealjaker94]

Destroying the Reapers justifies what they've done? That's like saying if I steal a murderer's weapon and kill him with it, I've justified all the murders he committed.