LiarasShield wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
I couldn't choose any of the three choices because they would not allow me to continue being the paragon hero
Yep. You'll sacrifice trillions of lives for the sake of your self-image.
Yes I'm willing to sacrifice trillions of lives on what I believe is right but freedom and individuality in my heart and soul are right and in every ending their is a sacrifice
LiarasShield wrote...
I couldn't choose any of the three choices because they would not allow me to continue being the paragon hero the woman who always fought for justice and the right thing to continue to be so all the choices plus minus refuse in my own way all seem like renegade choices or choices that go against what I've done as being a hero I can't alter or destroy my forces choices in the ending the ending no longer allows me to be a hero and Makes me try to cross a line I can't cross
AlanC9 wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
I couldn't choose any of the three choices because they would not allow me to continue being the paragon hero
Yep. You'll sacrifice trillions of lives for the sake of your self-image.
Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 16 août 2012 - 02:12 .
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
A terrible storm came into a town and local officials sent out an emergency warning that the riverbanks would soon overflow and flood the nearby homes.
They ordered everyone in the town to evacuate immediately.A faithful Christian man heard the warning and decided to stay, saying to himself, “I will trust God and if I am in danger, then God will send a divine miracle to save me.”
The neighbors came by his house and said to him, “We’re leaving and there is room for you in our car, please come with us!” But the man declined. “I have faith that God will save me.”
As the man stood on his porch watching the water rise up the steps, a man in a canoe paddled by and called to him, “Hurry and come into my canoe, the waters are rising quickly!”
But the man again said, “No thanks, God will save me.”The floodwaters rose higher pouring water into his living room and the man had to retreat to the second floor.
A police motorboat came by and saw him at the window. “We will come up and rescue you!” they shouted. But the man refused, waving them off saying, “Use your time to save someone else! I have faith that God will save me!”
The flood waters rose higher and higher and the man had to climb up to his rooftop.A helicopter spotted him and dropped a rope ladder.
A rescue officer came down the ladder and pleaded with the man, "Grab my hand and I will pull you up!" But the man STILL refused, folding his arms tightly to his body. “No thank you! God will save me!”
Shortly after, the house broke up and the floodwaters swept the man away and he drowned.When in Heaven, the man stood before God and asked, “I put all of my faith in You. Why didn’t You come and save me?”And God said, “Son, I sent you a warning. I sent you a car. I sent you a canoe. I sent you a motorboat. I sent you a helicopter. What more were you looking for?”
Picking Refuse is nothing more than ignoring everything that has been stated in game, everything that you have been building in game, everything you have been planning for in game, and then being upset that you can't beat the impossible because the "theme" is overcoming the impossible.
Everything Shepard needs to make his/her decision is right there in the game, and he/she (and you, the player) know the stakes if you DON'T make the decision.
You know the stakes. You ignore the stakes. That's not BioWare's fault, that's your fault.
Why would someone pick Refuse? Well, like they say in The Dark Knight: "Some men just want to watch the world burn."
and some women and men want to keep individuality and the freedom for all
By condemning everyone to a horrific, horrific death. Or life as Reaper goo.
If that's your version of "individuality and freedom", then I don't even...
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
I couldn't choose any of the three choices because they would not allow me to continue being the paragon hero the woman who always fought for justice and the right thing to continue to be so all the choices plus minus refuse in my own way all seem like renegade choices or choices that go against what I've done as being a hero I can't alter or destroy my forces choices in the ending the ending no longer allows me to be a hero and Makes me try to cross a line I can't cross
Geez, how did you ever get through Mass Effect 1? Did you miss the part where you condemn one of your squad-mates to die? Or, you know, sacrificing either human lives or the Council? People who want to play at being a hero have no place in war. The difference between destroy and refuse is you're not responsible for galactic genocide.
Do you also think that a doctor refusing to save a dying man has no role in his death?
Dean Demon wrote...
I wanted the option to kill the catalyst,i say this because the little twerp that resembles a child is so arrogant and has no understanding about anything in the universe and then stands there making demands and lies through his / it's teeth about everything,anyone who controls the reapers and wants you to go along with the solution has to be an insane mainiac and not worth understanding anyway,the catalyst is a reaper of sorts and can't be trusted so i just wanted to be done with it and shoot the hell out of this self obsessed loon of a child and face the future with whatever comes of it.
LiarasShield wrote...
But the difference here is that no one is being altered or change you have to make a quick decision on the fly on who you can or want to save very different situations dear
LiarasShield wrote...
You just don't understand hardcore paragon players who truely did do heroics things through the entire series and won't cross the line about using some super space machine to alter everyone or become a dictator someone who commits mass genocide or someone who forces everyone to be the same you just don't uunderstand
AlanC9 wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
But the difference here is that no one is being altered or change you have to make a quick decision on the fly on who you can or want to save very different situations dear
So you're more sensible when you have less time to think?
LiarasShield wrote...
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
I couldn't choose any of the three choices because they would not allow me to continue being the paragon hero the woman who always fought for justice and the right thing to continue to be so all the choices plus minus refuse in my own way all seem like renegade choices or choices that go against what I've done as being a hero I can't alter or destroy my forces choices in the ending the ending no longer allows me to be a hero and Makes me try to cross a line I can't cross
Geez, how did you ever get through Mass Effect 1? Did you miss the part where you condemn one of your squad-mates to die? Or, you know, sacrificing either human lives or the Council? People who want to play at being a hero have no place in war. The difference between destroy and refuse is you're not responsible for galactic genocide.
Do you also think that a doctor refusing to save a dying man has no role in his death?
But the difference here is that no one is being altered or change you have to make a quick decision on the fly on who you can or want to save very different situations dear
Modifié par Timusafa, 16 août 2012 - 02:26 .
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
You just don't understand hardcore paragon players who truely did do heroics things through the entire series and won't cross the line about using some super space machine to alter everyone or become a dictator someone who commits mass genocide or someone who forces everyone to be the same you just don't uunderstand
Want to bet? My Femshep Adept is hardcore Paragon. She picked Destroy.
Why?
Because condemning through YOUR inaction the deaths of every member of every advanced civilization in the galaxy - TRILLIONS OF LIVES - is NOT FRIGGIN PARAGON.
LiarasShield wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
You just don't understand hardcore paragon players who truely did do heroics things through the entire series and won't cross the line about using some super space machine to alter everyone or become a dictator someone who commits mass genocide or someone who forces everyone to be the same you just don't uunderstand
Want to bet? My Femshep Adept is hardcore Paragon. She picked Destroy.
Why?
Because condemning through YOUR inaction the deaths of every member of every advanced civilization in the galaxy - TRILLIONS OF LIVES - is NOT FRIGGIN PARAGON.
YES AND YOU COMMITING GENOCIDE ON YOUR OWN FORCES AND CAUSING THE MOST DESTRUCTION OF THE RELAYS
PLUS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAPERS ON HOW THEY MAKE OR REBUILD RELAYS EVERYONE WILL SLOWLY
DIE ANYWAY SO YOU're no better
At least I didn't kill my own forces to kill the enemy
LiarasShield wrote...
But the difference here is that no one is being altered or change you have to make a quick decision on the fly on who you can or want to save very different situations dear
LiarasShield wrote...
At least I didn't kill my own forces to kill the enemy
LiarasShield wrote...
PLUS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAPERS ON HOW THEY MAKE OR REBUILD RELAYS EVERYONE WILL SLOWLY
DIE ANYWAY
Modifié par AlanC9, 16 août 2012 - 02:34 .
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
You just don't understand hardcore paragon players who truely did do heroics things through the entire series and won't cross the line about using some super space machine to alter everyone or become a dictator someone who commits mass genocide or someone who forces everyone to be the same you just don't uunderstand
Want to bet? My Femshep Adept is hardcore Paragon. She picked Destroy.
Why?
Because condemning through YOUR inaction the deaths of every member of every advanced civilization in the galaxy - TRILLIONS OF LIVES - is NOT FRIGGIN PARAGON.
YES AND YOU COMMITING GENOCIDE ON YOUR OWN FORCES AND CAUSING THE MOST DESTRUCTION OF THE RELAYS
PLUS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAPERS ON HOW THEY MAKE OR REBUILD RELAYS EVERYONE WILL SLOWLY
DIE ANYWAY SO YOU're no better
At least I didn't kill my own forces to kill the enemy
The Geth would understand and even be willing to sacrifice themselves to kill the Reapers. Absolutely. The Relays are not destroyed and can be rebuilt - it says so IN THE ENDING. If you don't have the EC to see that, then that's your problem.
No, you killed your own forces to allow the Reapers to continue. How is that better?
AlanC9 wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
PLUS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAPERS ON HOW THEY MAKE OR REBUILD RELAYS EVERYONE WILL SLOWLY
DIE ANYWAY
You're starting to lose it. This is just irrational. Mass effect drives work just fine without relays, and garden world don't need interstellar commerce to survive in the first place.
BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
PLUS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAPERS ON HOW THEY MAKE OR REBUILD RELAYS EVERYONE WILL SLOWLY
DIE ANYWAY
You're starting to lose it. This is just irrational. Mass effect drives work just fine without relays, and garden world don't need interstellar commerce to survive in the first place.
Doesn't the Catalyst also say (explicitly) that they can be repaired?
LiarasShield wrote...
You still fail in destroy because with the reapers dead you can't receive their knowledge on how they created or repaired relays and with the relays mostly damaged beyond use you have still effectively trapt all your forces around a nearly dead solar system go you I guess
LiarasShield wrote...
Cause I didn't kill my own forces to beat the reapers i allowed both synthetics and organics to make their own choices and fight for freedom and individuality for all the races
You still fail in destroy because with the reapers dead you can't receive their knowledge on how they created or repaired relays and with the relays mostly damaged beyond use you have still effectively trapt all your forces around a nearly dead solar system go you I guess
Controling the reapers after they caused the near destruction of the galaxy plus a chance to become a rogue ai in the future that may cause even more chaos or destruction every 50 thousand years
Or merging everyone to be the same do I honestly really have go into high def why any of your others choices aren't effectively good or better then refuse
Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 16 août 2012 - 02:41 .
AlanC9 wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
You still fail in destroy because with the reapers dead you can't receive their knowledge on how they created or repaired relays and with the relays mostly damaged beyond use you have still effectively trapt all your forces around a nearly dead solar system go you I guess
Earth ain't nearly dead. The Reapers needed the humans to live long enough to be harvested. That was going to take ten years or so.
And at 12 light-years to the day, there are thousands of stars within range of Earh.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
Cause I didn't kill my own forces to beat the reapers i allowed both synthetics and organics to make their own choices and fight for freedom and individuality for all the races
You still fail in destroy because with the reapers dead you can't receive their knowledge on how they created or repaired relays and with the relays mostly damaged beyond use you have still effectively trapt all your forces around a nearly dead solar system go you I guess
Controling the reapers after they caused the near destruction of the galaxy plus a chance to become a rogue ai in the future that may cause even more chaos or destruction every 50 thousand years
Or merging everyone to be the same do I honestly really have go into high def why any of your others choices aren't effectively good or better then refuse
Yes. You did, You know going in that beam that ALL your hope, all the GALAXY'S hope, rests on you using the Crucible to do whatever it does in an attempt to stop the Reapers.
You choose not to do so. By doing so, you, and you alone, condemn everyone in the galaxy to death.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero
So... don't pick Destroy, then. Pick Synthe.. oh no, somehow that's losing too. Pick Contro... nope, that's a loser in your mind as well. Hmm. I mean, even though all three of those options stop the Reapers (you know, the entire goal of the series), somehow you've twisted them all into being losses.
Again, just because you, apparently, don't know the endings in the EC doesn't mean that blowing up all the Reapers is a loss. It just means that you have no idea what you're talking about.
LiarasShield wrote...
No he doesn't but he does say that the reapers are synthetics and that he turned his creators into the first reaper because their was no other choice
LiarasShield wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
LiarasShield wrote...
Cause I didn't kill my own forces to beat the reapers i allowed both synthetics and organics to make their own choices and fight for freedom and individuality for all the races
You still fail in destroy because with the reapers dead you can't receive their knowledge on how they created or repaired relays and with the relays mostly damaged beyond use you have still effectively trapt all your forces around a nearly dead solar system go you I guess
Controling the reapers after they caused the near destruction of the galaxy plus a chance to become a rogue ai in the future that may cause even more chaos or destruction every 50 thousand years
Or merging everyone to be the same do I honestly really have go into high def why any of your others choices aren't effectively good or better then refuse
Yes. You did, You know going in that beam that ALL your hope, all the GALAXY'S hope, rests on you using the Crucible to do whatever it does in an attempt to stop the Reapers.
You choose not to do so. By doing so, you, and you alone, condemn everyone in the galaxy to death.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero
So... don't pick Destroy, then. Pick Synthe.. oh no, somehow that's losing too. Pick Contro... nope, that's a loser in your mind as well. Hmm. I mean, even though all three of those options stop the Reapers (you know, the entire goal of the series), somehow you've twisted them all into being losses.
Again, just because you, apparently, don't know the endings in the EC doesn't mean that blowing up all the Reapers is a loss. It just means that you have no idea what you're talking about.
LOL I do know the endings from extended darling how the hell did you think i chose refuse from extended my magical wand that I keep in my bra?
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