On the subject of cloning and finding stasis pods: Please keep in mind that the N7 operatives likely only number in the hundreds. Multiplayer is not a front-line operation. They are highly trained operatives who operate behind the scenes of the actual war. As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective. Instead of arguing on them fighting in the front-lines, instead focus on behind-the-scenes N7 missions which is what MP is based on. All other factors are negligible .
Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable. All that is needed is a few dozen Protheans. This in no way detracts from Javik's story arc.
Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???
Salarians have quite the reputation when it comes to meddling with nature & science. After all the Salarians led to both the uplifting... and downfall of the Krogan. (Rachni Wars & Krogan Rebellions)
Salarians are interested in lifting the Yahg as seen in ME3. (Yahg potientially more dangerous than Krogan)
What does this have to do with cloning Protheans? Salarians have no qualms about getting their "hands" dirty... in the name of SCIENCE! Clone Protheans you say? Sounds like an excellent idea! Salarians got it all: Top-secret research facilities, council position & authority, money, resources, you name it!
Saying that cloning the Protheans is lore breaking is no more lore-breaking than the constant return of the Rachni. Aren't they supposed to be extinct too? Cloning is a perfectly viable option that is lore-friendly.
The whole galaxy is under threat of extinction from the reapers. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Anything that can fight is a useful resource. The Protheans are not just some biotics that can weld a weapon. If anything they could be more proficient with biotics than the Asari. Even a few successful clones would be invaluabe to the war cause. War aside it would give the Prothean race a second chance at life, an insult to the Reapers who denied them this. In a galactic society where cloning is feasible there is no way anyone(especially the Salarians) would pass on an oppurtunity to bring back the Protheans. If anything not cloning them would not make sense lore-wise.
Salarian 1:"Oh hey! Did you hear about that Prothean commander Shepard found? We should clone him."
Salarian 2:"What? No! Instead of wasting resources we should just let him die along with the rest of the Protheans, lol"
Salarian 1: -__-...
Also let us not forget the Hanar! They WORSHIP the Protheans. You can bet every tentacle on a Hanar's body that their government would write a blank check for a Prothean cloning project. And although perhaps not as scientifically advanced as the Salarians... well we are comparing them to Salarians lol! Hanar on their own have shown that they know a thing or two about technology, and what-not. After all they saved the Drell & are working on a difficult cure that can cure their Kepral-syndrome. Hanar are by no means, "big stupid Jellyfish". Regardless, if the Salarians need money... Hanar are willing to contribute... ALOT. Salarians can appease their hunger for science, Hanar's got the tab.
How viable is cloning? I would like to give credit to a well thought-out argument by Fellow BSNer Father Superior!
"Cloning is viable, if Kakliosaurs can be cloned without any effort, why are Protheans a huge jump? Also, how do you know that there hasn't been a top secret project to develop expendable biotic shock troopers?
Protheans have a sensory ability that allows them to gain knowledge through touch, hence why they use beacons and how Javik started speaking English as soon as Shepard met him. Not only would that allow for their knowledge to be at least somewhat preserved, they would also be ludicrously easy to train as soldiers; line up and have them high-five a soldier and you've got yourself a squad.
Biotics aren't necessarily super soldiers, but they are rare and VERY beneficial for the war effort, whether in support roles or on the front lines.
How do you know that the STG, or any organization/government really, hasn't been experimenting with Prothean DNA for cloning purposes for years? No one knew that the STG planned to uplift the Yahg, the Hegemony found a Reaper or that Sanctuary was a Cerberus indoctrination facility, so why is it impossible for there to be a secret cloning program that was kept undercover?
Do you even understand war time? You don't just stop everything and focus on the war entirely, you need to have some kind of plan for the future. Look at the Salarian merchant on the Citadel during the Blue Suns mission; he wasn't giving his guns away to the war effort because he wanted something to fall back on when the whole thing blows over. That's how society works; it is never supposed to end, so people plan accordingly. While the military is focused on keeping everyone alive, the businesses/organizations are helping people cope with the war and possibility of annihilation. Some organizations might make a brand new gun, some might make new toys and some may make new toaster ovens. Some organizations might be focused on reviving a dead race to learn from them and they might end up finding a way of creating a steady supply of soldiers in the process.
The Prothean sensory ability to gain knowledge and memories through touch would make the process of gaining sentience almost easy. While it would be nearly impossible to replicate the old Protheans (though hypothetically it would be possible through the use of undamaged beacons and memory shards to recreate some individuals), creating an army of warriors would be very much possible through Javik; they wouldn't have their own individual memories and experiences, but they would gain his and it would be possible for them to gain battle/biotic prowess through this process as well. These clones aren't being made for philosophy and poetry, they're being made to fight the Reapers and they would be perfectly suited for that job. "
-Father Superior
Now also remember my beginning point:
"N7 operatives likely only number in the hundreds. Multiplayer is not a front-line operation. They are highly trained operatives who operate behind the scenes of the actual war. As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective. Instead of arguing on them fighting in the front-lines, instead focus on behind-the-scenes N7 missions which is what MP is based on. "
So is cloning viable? I think so.
Next possibility: Secret bunker lost in the galaxy.
The Milky Way Galaxy is big... and that is a serious understatement. We're talking trillions of solar systems, all of which have a small chance of sustainable life. Odds are in favor. Saying a hidden bunker is an impossiblilty is silly. Look at Ilos. Look at Eden Prime. Now again, don't think overboard! Remember N7 operations for multi-player! Not front-line battle!!!! A bunker with only a hundred at most? VIABLE.
Here's another excerpt from Father Superior in regards to bunkers. Again, very well argued! Very well lore justifiable!
"I don't think you even understand the incompetency of the Reapers. They suffer HEAVILY from hubris and it made them overlook Javik when the Eden Prime bunker detonated the neutron purge. They were so confident in their abilities that they assumed that they had killed all of the Protheans and just left. If they were so careless with this facility, why should anyone believe that they were careful with the search of the rest of the galaxy?
All of the Protheans lost connection with each other, so the Reapers were forced into searching for the remainder manually. Given their incompetency, how is anyone supposed to believe that they killed every last one of them? The only reason that Eden Prime's bunker was found was because indoctrinated traitors gave the info to the Reapers. The probability of that happening to every bunker across the GALAXY is laughable, especially because without communications, there would be no one to betray others, and considering the neutron purge was the reason only Javik survived, the remaining bunkers would sustain most if not all of the life they were intended to.
No one can say with certainty what happened to the remnants of the Protheans. It used to be an unquestioned truth that the Protheans were all dead, but that got thrown out the window with Javik. There is no real reason to fully believe that EVERY one of them is dead. That does not mean that there are billions of them left, but there is reason to believe that there could be a significant enough supply of them to earn a SP DLC and an UR MP card. It might be a bit of a stretch, but there could be some ships/race/colony that freaks out Raloi style and decides to go venturing into territory of previously inactive relays to flee from the Reapers that results in them finding a stasis facility. There are plenty of ways that they could be discovered, that is just one I came up with a while ago."
-Father Superior
Yes definitely possible. However why a random planet? I dare say there is a planet that is just itching to scream "PROTHEANS HERE!" I am referring to of course, Klencory!
Credit to: rockthatwood for pointing this out!
"There is a lore-friendly way. As the OP said, a hidden bunker with a handful of protheans.
And this would not be some random planet. The planet would be Klencory."
"Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."
Shol has been excavating on Klencory's toxic surface for two
decades, at great expense. No government has valued the world enough to
evict his small army of mercenaries.
His once-ridiculed visions of "beings of light" protecting organic life
from synthetic "machine devils" don't seem quite so far-fetched now. His
private army of mercenaries are well-established on the planet, waiting
for husks to come knocking in on their door. In all likelihood, they will be obliterated by the molten metal of a Reaper orbital bombardment, on its way to somewhere important."
And there you have it. Shol will discover a bunker that he cannot open, but a prothean can. So who's he gonna call? Javik. And the squad will find more protheans. Then they will be added to MP because Bioware needs more races and they know they will make lots of money off of people trying to unlock them in future dlc."
-rockthatwood
If this is not acceptable to the people complaing about lore... please help yourself to the nearest airlock. There is no saving you.
And so I leave you guys with these arguments... for now. I will be updating this post as this thread moves along. It is my hope that we maintain civil discussions. I also welcome the Anti-Prothean crowd to voice their opinions as well. All I ask is that you refrain from pointless, no's. Instead give a logical argument.
Again, please keep this civil. If you act like primitives, Javik will be forced to show you to the nearest airlock...
Discuss.
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