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[CrazyDude927]

Do you really care about MP lore or do you legitimately have a reason for not wanting Prothean in MP?
I mean, why would Cerberus start attacking Earth? I don't question this when I'm in London fighting off Phantoms, but it's the same sized plothole that a Prothean in MP makes.
"But clones or a bunker are improbable, and Javik said he is the last!"
If I recall the Protheans lost communication, so how would he know? And clones or a bunker are as improbable as finding Javik in a damaged bunker, even less so after Leviathan.
But that's just my two cents I guess.

[Nissun]

Stop beating the dead horse.

I really can't imagine any new things to discuss about this issue that haven't been already.

[RasenRebirth]

I want to see Protheans it give more chance to face Collecters

[regack]

Is today some kind of international necro-post day that I wasn't aware of?

[RasenRebirth]

So we got volus can we get Protheans now

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Lots of talk about protheans lately so...



*uses necromancy*

[Decc2k25]

Javik doesnt know for 100% that he is the last one. Other bunkers are a real possibility. If your going to base this off what Javik said, remember he also said that at his time the Prothean empire was fractured and no one knew what anyone else was doing. He did not know about Ilos until Shepard tells him and they did the same thing as he did. So who's to say no one else tried it? So next time you decide to quote a character keep in mind they say other things.

[mrcanada]

Yes to Protheans.

[RasenRebirth]

Decc2k25 wrote...

Javik doesnt know for 100% that he is the last one. Other bunkers are a real possibility. If your going to base this off what Javik said, remember he also said that at his time the Prothean empire was fractured and no one knew what anyone else was doing. He did not know about Ilos until Shepard tells him and they did the same thing as he did. So who's to say no one else tried it? So next time you decide to quote a character keep in mind they say other things.

thank you. 

[corporal doody]

NEVAH!! no to protheans.

[Xaijin]

No.

[shanghai lu]

people didn't like the thought of volus on MP..look what happened..plat solo's..bring on the protheans...

[corporal doody]

MoonSatt wrote...

people didn't like the thought of volus on MP..look what happened..plat solo's..bring on the protheans...

Huge difference here....

last i checked...volus werent extinct.


and tbh..no one thought anything of the volus in ME3MP until news was released that Volus would be included. there was some uproar....but in comparison to alot of the other stuff people ****** & moan about here on the BSN...IT WAS TAME!

Modifié par corporal doody, 03 novembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[shanghai lu]

ah...but this is just a game..idea is to have some fun...and what is it really going to hurt having protheans in MP..not 1 thing..

[corporal doody]

MoonSatt wrote...

ah...but this is just a game..idea is to have some fun...and what is it really going to hurt having protheans in MP..not 1 thing..

in a stand alone ME MP game as a bonus or promo character....cool beans


but ME3MP is supposed to tie directly into ME3SP....so LORE is a factor.

platinum of course is a totally new thing and was added thanks to constant "begging."  and platinum is not fun imho.

[Archonsg]

Actually, if you think about it some, you are right, Reapers would be in control of any protean Genetic material that they could be using to create their Collector army.

It is even highly possible that the Reapers have kept a bank of perfectly healthy Proteans to draw on for genetic material, then put them back in stasis, a kind of perpetual deep freeze enslaved breeding stock.

For like it or not, the Collectors ARE part organic, even though key organs are now replaced by tech. And organic material AGE, deteriorate due to wear and tear. So unless it's stated that Collector organic material can ignore the law of physics and be "immortal" never suffering aging and its effects, the Collectors, or rather the Reapers have to find ways to replace lost units easily.

The fact that the Collectors are "possessed" prone, meaning that those higher in the chain of command see them as consumable tools, rather than individuals, mean that those they take control of are easily replaceable. While numbers alone might account for this, I am leaning more towards the logical conclusion of that for each Collector lost, it in turn is relatively easily replaced, which suggests cloning from a base stock.

Hence, your bank of "original" Protean material. And what better source of such material then several hundred Proteans kept almost perpetual stasis, being brought out only long enough for their Reaper breeders to extract genetic material to manufacture their Collector army?

[corporal doody]

Archonsg wrote...

Actually, if you think about it some, you are right, Reapers would be in control of any protean Genetic material that they could be using to create their Collector army.

It is even highly possible that the Reapers have kept a bank of perfectly healthy Proteans to draw on for genetic material, then put them back in stasis, a kind of perpetual deep freeze enslaved breeding stock.

For like it or not, the Collectors ARE part organic, even though key organs are now replaced by tech. And organic material AGE, deteriorate due to wear and tear. So unless it's stated that Collector organic material can ignore the law of physics and be "immortal" never suffering aging and its effects, the Collectors, or rather the Reapers have to find ways to replace lost units easily.

The fact that the Collectors are "possessed" prone, meaning that those higher in the chain of command see them as consumable tools, rather than individuals, mean that those they take control of are easily replaceable. While numbers alone might account for this, I am leaning more towards the logical conclusion of that for each Collector lost, it in turn is relatively easily replaced, which suggests cloning from a base stock.

Hence, your bank of "original" Protean material. And what better source of such material then several hundred Proteans kept almost perpetual stasis, being brought out only long enough for their Reaper breeders to extract genetic material to manufacture their Collector army?

www.youtube.com/watch


several cloned generations.......

www.youtube.com/watch

prothean material stopped being anything but waste a long time ago imho.
and the reapers failed with cloning proper protheans....so how can the alliance and allies (namely the salarians) hope to do better?

Modifié par corporal doody, 03 novembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[Archonsg]

@corparaldoody

EC, retcons, Synthesis, Destroy, Control endings.
All Bioware need to do is write it in and its "lore".
The difference is, there is a possibility for Bioware to put in Proteans all other arguments are based on assumptions.

To be fair, the "existence" of more live Proteans are also based on assumptions. But you have to ask yourself, what would Bioware do, which Race would can be introduced now to make combat more interesting for ME3MP in regards to new classes, powers and weapons that already have a precedent in the ME world.

Logically, the Proteans come to mind.
Would Bioware cash in on this is the REAL question.

[xDawnfangX]

Much as i love the mp i don't want to see protheans in it. While i do agree that most of these ideas are possible (and in my opinion make more sense than the anti-prothean arguments), i can't help but feel... wrong at the idea.
And to everyone that uses the "mp already destroys lore" argument, the mp being integral with sp was one of biowares selling points on it pre-release. While fighting geth in london with another geth seems unlikely to say the least, it seems a lot more likely than the resurrection/ emergence of a long dead race. BUT while im on that, i find the cloning to be completely possible.
One thing everyone in here seems to forget is the entire mass effect universe is composed of a LOAD
of pseudoscience. Cloning straight into adulthood has been an idea as long as space travel, and dont forget Okeers experiments, while vastly unsuccessful, they did yield results. And i dont recall seeing any krogan children running around there.
All in all i guess i dont really side with either side....

[Reawyn]

xDawnfangX wrote...

Much as i love the mp i don't want to see protheans in it. While i do agree that most of these ideas are possible (and in my opinion make more sense than the anti-prothean arguments), i can't help but feel... wrong at the idea.
And to everyone that uses the "mp already destroys lore" argument, the mp being integral with sp was one of biowares selling points on it pre-release. While fighting geth in london with another geth seems unlikely to say the least, it seems a lot more likely than the resurrection/ emergence of a long dead race. BUT while im on that, i find the cloning to be completely possible.
One thing everyone in here seems to forget is the entire mass effect universe is composed of a LOAD
of pseudoscience. Cloning straight into adulthood has been an idea as long as space travel, and dont forget Okeers experiments, while vastly unsuccessful, they did yield results. And i dont recall seeing any krogan children running around there.
All in all i guess i dont really side with either side....

Just to point out , long dead reace ? remergance ?  HELLO  COLLECTORS  , thought they were supposed ot have been destoryed with the collector base yet here they are , in the flesh.

[corporal doody]

Archonsg wrote...

@corparaldoody

EC, retcons, Synthesis, Destroy, Control endings.
All Bioware need to do is write it in and its "lore".
The difference is, there is a possibility for Bioware to put in Proteans all other arguments are based on assumptions.

To be fair, the "existence" of more live Proteans are also based on assumptions. But you have to ask yourself, what would Bioware do, which Race would can be introduced now to make combat more interesting for ME3MP in regards to new classes, powers and weapons that already have a precedent in the ME world.

Logically, the Proteans come to mind.
Would Bioware cash in on this is the REAL question.

logic would preclude an extinct race.  

bringing up subpar writing as a way to introduce them is alittle strange if you ask me. Months ago a large portion of the community raged about it....now when it suits SOME people's needs....okay.?

there are still several races...and even the genders of certain races THAT have yet to be included.

arguments for AND against are based on assumptions. yet...at this very moment...they do not exist in MP. the only way for the YES wanters/reasons to be true is for protheans to be actually included.

Modifié par corporal doody, 03 novembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[corporal doody]

Reawyn wrote...

xDawnfangX wrote...

Much as i love the mp i don't want to see protheans in it. While i do agree that most of these ideas are possible (and in my opinion make more sense than the anti-prothean arguments), i can't help but feel... wrong at the idea.
And to everyone that uses the "mp already destroys lore" argument, the mp being integral with sp was one of biowares selling points on it pre-release. While fighting geth in london with another geth seems unlikely to say the least, it seems a lot more likely than the resurrection/ emergence of a long dead race. BUT while im on that, i find the cloning to be completely possible.
One thing everyone in here seems to forget is the entire mass effect universe is composed of a LOAD
of pseudoscience. Cloning straight into adulthood has been an idea as long as space travel, and dont forget Okeers experiments, while vastly unsuccessful, they did yield results. And i dont recall seeing any krogan children running around there.
All in all i guess i dont really side with either side....

Just to point out , long dead reace ? remergance ?  HELLO  COLLECTORS  , thought they were supposed ot have been destoryed with the collector base yet here they are , in the flesh.

long dead? 50k years and the reapers place them all in one spot?

[Archonsg]

Even more logically, would Bioware make a ton of money if they release Uber classes / weapons (to be nerfed at a later date) based on the Proteans?

[corporal doody]

Archonsg wrote...

Even more logically, would Bioware make a ton of money if they release Uber classes / weapons (to be nerfed at a later date) based on the Proteans?

are they making enough money off the microtransactions from free dlc to even consider it?
and wouldnt it be more economic to UBERize stuff already in game...or releasing uberized versions of stuff already in there?
BESIDES.....people accuse BW/EA of being cash grabbing hos....but this is cool?

there is a even split on the prothean issue in ME3MP...i think it would be in bad taste if they did anything without first establishing it in SP first......and that is gonna take awhile and be subject to much "fanfare." i personally dont see it happening

Modifié par corporal doody, 03 novembre 2012 - 09:28 .

[UWxMaserati]

Bioware already raped the mass effect world with the star child AI nonsense. Might as well let a few Protheans back. Though it does make Javik's post war suicide pointless haha.