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[Frosty10001]

RasenRebirth wrote...

I still want Protheans but need a single player DLC first

It wouldn't be legit without green biotics. 

[IllusiveManJr]

I miss Zodiac. I don't think he has Xbox LIVE anymore.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I miss Zodiac. I don't think he has Xbox LIVE anymore.

Yes and no. My Xbox 360 is... failing. Been playing Skyrim & Fallout on my new PC for the past 3 months.


When I get my Xbox fixed, or get a "new" used one, I shall return to ME3.

[DullahansXMark]

Going back and playing ME1 really makes me not appreciate this idea. The whole point of the race is to serve as a victim of the Reapers. Revealing that a bunch survived would obliterate the best game in the series in terms of meaning.

[RasenRebirth]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Going back and playing ME1 really makes me not appreciate this idea. The whole point of the race is to serve as a victim of the Reapers. Revealing that a bunch survived would obliterate the best game in the series in terms of meaning.

In truth some could have survived like the Leviathans but a huge number is not likely a small group between 5 to 10 I could see though.

[Tyrannus00]

RasenRebirth wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Going back and playing ME1 really makes me not appreciate this idea. The whole point of the race is to serve as a victim of the Reapers. Revealing that a bunch survived would obliterate the best game in the series in terms of meaning.

In truth some could have survived like the Leviathans but a huge number is not likely a small group between 5 to 10 I could see though.

They did, on Ilos. We all know how well that went. 

From a writing perspective bringing back ONE prothean was good. Any SINGLE other prothean would utterly destroy the effect of both the race and Javik.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Tyrannus00 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Going back and playing ME1 really makes me not appreciate this idea. The whole point of the race is to serve as a victim of the Reapers. Revealing that a bunch survived would obliterate the best game in the series in terms of meaning.

In truth some could have survived like the Leviathans but a huge number is not likely a small group between 5 to 10 I could see though.

They did, on Ilos. We all know how well that went. 

From a writing perspective bringing back ONE prothean was good. Any SINGLE other prothean would utterly destroy the effect of both the race and Javik.

How so? Reviving a number of them to help against the Reapers would do poetic justice. Furthermore, Javik's primary goals would be fullfilled against all odds.

[DullahansXMark]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Tyrannus00 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Going back and playing ME1 really makes me not appreciate this idea. The whole point of the race is to serve as a victim of the Reapers. Revealing that a bunch survived would obliterate the best game in the series in terms of meaning.

In truth some could have survived like the Leviathans but a huge number is not likely a small group between 5 to 10 I could see though.

They did, on Ilos. We all know how well that went. 

From a writing perspective bringing back ONE prothean was good. Any SINGLE other prothean would utterly destroy the effect of both the race and Javik.

How so? Reviving a number of them to help against the Reapers would do poetic justice. Furthermore, Javik's primary goals would be fullfilled against all odds.

Because the only reason the Protheans exist within the Mass Effect series is to showcase what happens when you mess with the Reapers. That's it.

The only reason Javik exists is to be a cool optional character that is forced into being the sole representative of his extinct race as the Avatar of Vengeance.

Have you read up on the upcoming Metal Gear Rising? If you have, you're surely aware of the whole "revenge" theme going on with Raiden. Now imagine if to get his revenge, Raiden teamed up with a bunch of random-ass cyborgs and they all just went in and slaughtered Desperado Enforcement. That just destroys the entire atmosphere. Not simply Raiden. The atmosphere of the entire game.

The atmosphere of the first Mass Effect was, the Protheans suddenly ceased to exist 50k years ago, and Shepard has reason to believe some strange things called "Reapers" were behind it. Over the course of the game, you learn how grand the Prothean Empire was. And then you find out that the Reapers absolutely crushed every last one of them. That is scary stuff. That built the Reapers up as an invincible force that would take some real work to overcome if they annihilated a much more advanced race that easily. (And that's not even getting into the fact that they were later repurposed into the Collectors. That made the Reapers that much more frightening.)

By including the Prothean race--who I've just stated were created solely to showcase the might of the Reapers--you eliminate the feeling of great threat that the Reapers represent.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

And by adding Protheans, it gives inspiration and boosts morale for everyone. The avatar of vengenance and his people persevere against the Reapers. with a Prothean revival the species of the Galaxy's faith and hope are renewed. They are then living proof that despite the Reapers tenacity and unrelenting efficiency, they are still flawed. They are not omniprecient, omniscient, nor are they omnipotent. Most importantly, it shows that we can survive!

But this is all besides the point. I'm not saying: revive the entire Prothean race. What I'm suggesting in the OP is that we don't need an army of them. This is strictly for multiplayer, and MP is based on behind the scenes covert missions. All that is needed is 4 living Protheans, either found in stasis or cloned. This doesn't undermine the story of Javik, while at the same time, people who want to play as Protheans can play as Protheans.

[DullahansXMark]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

[snip]

I'm gonna ask you a question. I do not mean this in a negative connotation or anything.

Have you played the very first Mass Effect?

[RasenRebirth]

DullahansXMark wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Tyrannus00 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Going back and playing ME1 really makes me not appreciate this idea. The whole point of the race is to serve as a victim of the Reapers. Revealing that a bunch survived would obliterate the best game in the series in terms of meaning.

In truth some could have survived like the Leviathans but a huge number is not likely a small group between 5 to 10 I could see though.

They did, on Ilos. We all know how well that went. 

From a writing perspective bringing back ONE prothean was good. Any SINGLE other prothean would utterly destroy the effect of both the race and Javik.

How so? Reviving a number of them to help against the Reapers would do poetic justice. Furthermore, Javik's primary goals would be fullfilled against all odds.

Because the only reason the Protheans exist within the Mass Effect series is to showcase what happens when you mess with the Reapers. That's it.

The only reason Javik exists is to be a cool optional character that is forced into being the sole representative of his extinct race as the Avatar of Vengeance.

Have you read up on the upcoming Metal Gear Rising? If you have, you're surely aware of the whole "revenge" theme going on with Raiden. Now imagine if to get his revenge, Raiden teamed up with a bunch of random-ass cyborgs and they all just went in and slaughtered Desperado Enforcement. That just destroys the entire atmosphere. Not simply Raiden. The atmosphere of the entire game.

The atmosphere of the first Mass Effect was, the Protheans suddenly ceased to exist 50k years ago, and Shepard has reason to believe some strange things called "Reapers" were behind it. Over the course of the game, you learn how grand the Prothean Empire was. And then you find out that the Reapers absolutely crushed every last one of them. That is scary stuff. That built the Reapers up as an invincible force that would take some real work to overcome if they annihilated a much more advanced race that easily. (And that's not even getting into the fact that they were later repurposed into the Collectors. That made the Reapers that much more frightening.)

By including the Prothean race--who I've just stated were created solely to showcase the might of the Reapers--you eliminate the feeling of great threat that the Reapers represent.

Again Leviathans plus its not a whole planet Protheans people want to see.  Protheans spread arcoss the galaxy twice as much as or cycle so a small handful is very reasonable.  The whole reapers forces passed through Batarian space and they are still around.  Reapers aren't perfect and have flaws which have been shown throughout the series.  I think it would actually make more sense because how much more advanced the Protheans where than us, and how they did have survival plans for them losing to the reapers.  We have no back ups and are getting wiped out faster that the Protheans which took years to do im sure more survived because I doubt the collocters just sat around for thousands of years without aging being organic and synthetic.  Im sure the Reapers collocted protheans that survived or that where in stasis.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

DullahansXMark wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

[snip]

I'm gonna ask you a question. I do not mean this in a negative connotation or anything.

Have you played the very first Mass Effect?

Yes, I've played all three. I know very well of the Protheans back-story and what happened to them.


Did you read the original post of this thread?

[Uchimura]

Prothean VI laser holographic mobile projections.

[Toppien]

another prothean empire? no thanks

[khannoir]

I'm for it if there is Single player DLC that provides the story to support the arc. I know the Devs have varying viewpoints with some supporting Protheans and at least one with the "no way in hell" mentality.

[eduardogranja]

Yes, it's possible to create a lore-friendly explanation to the return of the protheans. But then the ideal behind the race would be gone. They are the mighty race that did things we can only imagine to repeat, and even them lost to the Reapers.

[NT121784]

This wouldn't be any worse than the lore breaking that Bioware itself has done.
I think it would be cool to do.
I almost see multiplayer as a separate game now anyway, so who cares?
But they have to do Fem Protheans too, LOL!

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

eduardogranja wrote...

Yes, it's possible to create a lore-friendly explanation to the return of the protheans. But then the ideal behind the race would be gone. They are the mighty race that did things we can only imagine to repeat, and even them lost to the Reapers.

How tragic. We may as well submit to the Reapers then.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

NT121784 wrote...

This wouldn't be any worse than the lore breaking that Bioware itself has done.
I think it would be cool to do.
I almost see multiplayer as a separate game now anyway, so who cares?
But they have to do Fem Protheans too, LOL!

Except... this doesn't have to be lore-breaking.

[Frosty10001]

Frosty10001 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

I still want Protheans but need a single player DLC first

It wouldn't be legit without green biotics. 

I still stand by this notion. 

[eduardogranja]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

eduardogranja wrote...

Yes, it's possible to create a lore-friendly explanation to the return of the protheans. But then the ideal behind the race would be gone. They are the mighty race that did things we can only imagine to repeat, and even them lost to the Reapers.

How tragic. We may as well submit to the Reapers then.

You don't get my ideal. Let's explain in other way. Imagine the Reapers as a dragon, this cicle as a man and the Protheans as a giant. The giant, who is a lot more powerful than a man, tried to fight the dragon but died. The man seeing this may think such a battle is impossible (if even the giant wasn't enough, what can he do?) but it just feels even more special when, against all odds, he wins against it.


Bringing back the giant would be cool, yeah, but the victory would feel a lot less epic.

Modifié par eduardogranja, 19 janvier 2013 - 04:53 .

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

eduardogranja wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

eduardogranja wrote...

Yes, it's possible to create a lore-friendly explanation to the return of the protheans. But then the ideal behind the race would be gone. They are the mighty race that did things we can only imagine to repeat, and even them lost to the Reapers.

How tragic. We may as well submit to the Reapers then.

You don't get my ideal. Let's explain in other way. Imagine the Reapers as a dragon, this cicle as a man and the Protheans as a giant. The giant, who is a lot more powerful than a man, tried to fight the dragon but died. The man seeing this may think such a battle is impossible (if even the giant wasn't enough, what can he do?) but it just feels even more special when, against all odds, he wins against it.


Bringing back the giant would be cool, yeah, but the victory would feel a lot less epic.

How so? I get what you are saying but I disagree. I think by giving the Protheans(a small amount of them I may add) a second chance, this would be a major morale boost. It proves that the Reapers are not Omnipotent, they make mistakes. And if the Protheans(even a just a dozen) can survive against all odds, I would be inspired and filled with hope.

Javik survived, and his mission can still be completed. Against impossible odds, a few breathe and opnly defy the Reapers! We can do this!

Comparing Protheans to a giant is a bit of an overstatement.. They are organic and small like us. We can relate to them.

[Tyrannus00]

ME3 isn't about morale, it's not light hearted and and there's only one rallying cry, one right at the end. The entire theme of the game is watching an amazing, developed world crumble utterly.

[eduardogranja]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

How so? I get what you are saying but I disagree. I think by giving the Protheans(a small amount of them I may add) a second chance, this would be a major morale boost. It proves that the Reapers are not Omnipotent, they make mistakes. And if the Protheans(even a just a dozen) can survive against all odds, I would be inspired and filled with hope.

Javik survived, and his mission can still be completed. Against impossible odds, a few breathe and opnly defy the Reapers! We can do this!

Comparing Protheans to a giant is a bit of an overstatement.. They are organic and small like us. We can relate to them.

Well, good enough that you understand what i said. Just as you disagree with my point of view, i disagree with yours. There is no point arguing when you already have a 13 pages long topic and it's up to BW to decide.

But i must say Protheans would be cool, I just don't think it'd work well with the SP plot