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[BalisticCarnage]

Signed.

[Dark Tlaloc]

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I agree that if true, this is the bottom line, but again, only if that’s how Bioware (as a whole) feels.
If they decide that they’d rather the Prothean narrative change slightly, they
can do it. The same has already happened in SP (the general Reaper narrative
changed from ME1 to ME3), so it’s not that much of a stretch. Again, I agree
with what you’re saying, there’s just nothing ruling out it happening, and I
don’t presume to know Bioware’s thoughts on the matter. But yes, if Bioware
doesn’t think it fits, then that’s certainly all that matters.

Modifié par Dark Tlaloc, 24 janvier 2013 - 03:27 .

[ThomasakaDes_]

Deadlysyns wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

No. Just no.

 Why because you and a few others don't want it. get off your high horse its MP not Story mode

A few?
To me it seems like the majority of the fans don't want protheans in the mp.
Just becaus there comes a lot of these threads here, doesn't mean the yey sayers are the majority.

And the mp and sp is connected.
This isn't CoD where the mp has nothing to do with the sp.

And facepalms @ you yey sayers.

[Dark Tlaloc]

ThomasakaDes_ wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

No. Just no.

 Why because you and a few others don't want it. get off your high horse its MP not Story mode

A few?
To me it seems like the majority of the fans don't want protheans in the mp.
Just becaus there comes a lot of these threads here, doesn't mean the yey sayers are the majority.

And the mp and sp is connected.
This isn't CoD where the mp has nothing to do with the sp.

And facepalms @ you yey sayers.

I don’t think it’s particularly easy to tell what the
majority wants; BSN is a pretty small minority when it comes to this game, so
regardless of whether the minority or majority here wants Protheans in MP, it’s
not necessarily representative of the rest of the playerbase.

 

 

Also, given that there are good arguments to be had on both
sides of this debate, I’m not sure why you’d facepalm at the people who want
them in MP.

[DullahansXMark]

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I agree that if true, this is the bottom line, but again, only if that’s how Bioware (as a whole) feels.
If they decide that they’d rather the Prothean narrative change slightly, they
can do it. The same has already happened in SP (the general Reaper narrative
changed from ME1 to ME3), so it’s not that much of a stretch. Again, I agree
with what you’re saying, there’s just nothing ruling out it happening, and I
don’t presume to know Bioware’s thoughts on the matter. But yes, if Bioware
doesn’t think it fits, then that’s certainly all that matters.

Right. In the end it's BioWare's decision. I'm just giving what's probably the biggest reason why BioWar wouldn't do this, as the same reasons were why the Extended Cut was just that instead of new endings.

[AjaxDuo]

I personally wouldn't play them myself but I like the idea /signed.

[Dark Tlaloc]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I agree that if true, this is the bottom line, but again, only if that’s how Bioware (as a whole) feels.
If they decide that they’d rather the Prothean narrative change slightly, they
can do it. The same has already happened in SP (the general Reaper narrative
changed from ME1 to ME3), so it’s not that much of a stretch. Again, I agree
with what you’re saying, there’s just nothing ruling out it happening, and I
don’t presume to know Bioware’s thoughts on the matter. But yes, if Bioware
doesn’t think it fits, then that’s certainly all that matters.

Right. In the end it's BioWare's decision. I'm just giving what's probably the biggest reason why BioWar wouldn't do this, as the same reasons were why the Extended Cut was just that instead of new endings.

Personally, I want Protheans in MP; they’re probably one of
the only character kits that could be released that I’d be excited about. With
that being said, if Bioware’s decision is to leave them out of MP, that’s a
perfectly okay decision with me, although I’ll be disappointed. I didn’t like
the ending of ME3 SP, but I certainly respected Bioware sticking to their guns
about it. I think it’s important to have a good balance of give and take with
the fans, and so far Bioware is doing a good job keeping that balance.

[FeralJester616]

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

The best statment of fact ever!

[mrcanada]

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I've said this a thousand times on here. It doesn't matter what we think or say, for or against. If BW decides to put them in, it will work and everyone will accept that. Period.

[ManRightChea]

Just wanted to add, that Father Superior is a dick. I am doing this for one singular reason....the chronicles of time.

Before this thread is lost to the chronicles of time, and lost forever, I want to state that Father Superior is a dick. His screename alone would be adequate proof. When this thread is found thousands of years in the future by an intelligent sentient species researching the long-extinct human race, they will know that the one known as ManRightChea has come to the conclusion that the one known as Father Superior is a dick.

That is all.

Modifié par ManRightChea, 24 janvier 2013 - 05:58 .

[FeralJester616]

mrcanada wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I've said this a thousand times on here. It doesn't matter what we think or say, for or against. If BW decides to put them in, it will work and everyone will accept that. Period.

Actually we will have three choices;
1: Accept it and carry on playing.
2: Huff and sulk, kick voting anyone that tries to bring one to our games.
3: Walk away from ME3 for good, never to return to this once great franchise. 

Personally, I'm inclined towards No.3. But that's just me.

[boomshaquanda]

FeralJester616 wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I've said this a thousand times on here. It doesn't matter what we think or say, for or against. If BW decides to put them in, it will work and everyone will accept that. Period.

Actually we will have three choices;
1: Accept it and carry on playing.
2: Huff and sulk, kick voting anyone that tries to bring one to our games.
3: Walk away from ME3 for good, never to return to this once great franchise. 

Personally, I'm inclined towards No.3. But that's just me.

Lol walking away from free content. Suit yourself-_-

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

Why do we need lore reasons? MP doesn't fallow lore .....

[Schneidend]

Lore or not, I just don't want prothean kits sucking up limited dev resources. I want more salarian, krogan, human, batarian, and turian kits. Period.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

No one is arguing how possible Protheans are to add. Of course it's possible. Anything is possible in fiction. And to be perfectly honest, I would enjoy playing as one.

What we are arguing, is the artistic value. The Protheans serve the narrative as the losers from the last cycle. They failed, and they paid the ultimate price. That's what they represent.

You can argue all you want that none of this matters, but it matters to BioWare, and that's all that matters.

I agree that if true, this is the bottom line, but again, only if that’s how Bioware (as a whole) feels.
If they decide that they’d rather the Prothean narrative change slightly, they
can do it. The same has already happened in SP (the general Reaper narrative
changed from ME1 to ME3), so it’s not that much of a stretch. Again, I agree
with what you’re saying, there’s just nothing ruling out it happening, and I
don’t presume to know Bioware’s thoughts on the matter. But yes, if Bioware
doesn’t think it fits, then that’s certainly all that matters.

Right. In the end it's BioWare's decision. I'm just giving what's probably the biggest reason why BioWar wouldn't do this, as the same reasons were why the Extended Cut was just that instead of new endings.

Nicely put, Dullahans. Both of your posts are what I was getting at before I got sidetracked with why we would need more than "4 Protheans or so". Of course Protheans are possible. There's just a very high chance that BW could ruin the artistic integrity of the species and the role they're supposed to play in the narrative if they were to be re-introduced en masse. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible for them to be re-introduced in such a way that Javik's character, the mystery of the Protheans, and the Reapers as a threat aren't compromised; I'm saying there's a 99% chance that BW will add them in a way that will.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

Also, given that there are good arguments to be had on both
sides of this debate, I’m not sure why you’d facepalm at the people who want
them in MP.

I don't know...I've seen a few good anti-Prothean arguments; some based on what BW has already told us in lore, others on the purpose of the Protheans and what bringing them back would do for the story. And there's the one where work on Prothean kits would take away from the development of other existing kits. The only arguments I've seen so far from the other side are all variations of "why not?".

I know this though; if BW were to come right out and say "Yeah, we're cutting the ties between MP and SP. Lore no longer has anything to do with MP", a lot of the anti-Prothean arguments would fall apart.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 24 janvier 2013 - 07:26 .

[jezcrow]

If a secret bunker (or cloning) were, Javik would claim them as his harem (or slaves). No way there'd be any N7s. Javik would become a leader, and want his own starship.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Why do we need lore reasons? MP doesn't fallow lore .....

Not quite. The lore connection between SP and MP only serves to limit the types of kits we may use (and Galaxy at War, but no ones cares about that). True, MP doesn't follow lore; Instead, it's based off of what's possible in SP's lore.

We are given Geth and Quarian kits because there is a possibilty to get them to cooperate in SP. The Collectors still exist because the slight mention of them in the codex (let's face it; where there are seeker swarms there are probably Collectors) and the Reapers ability to clone them at will made them a possibility. We were given playable Volus because nothing in the lore says they can't operate a gun (though it does say that they are terrible at doing so). These are all possibilities that required no explanation. Bringing back more members of an extinct race will. I don't believe that BW can come up with one that won't ruin some major part of the narrative.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 24 janvier 2013 - 07:21 .

[Nitrocuban]

I also posted it in the poll thread, but it also fits here:
- new SP DLC introducing Collectors.
- if 'From Ashes' is owned Javik centered, new dialog recorded for Javik
- Collectors keep ~100 Protheans in cryostasis as source for making more Collectors. All male.
- Protheans are from a different century and have nothing in common with Javik but willing to fight
- Javik is still the last of its kind but we have Protheans in MP

Without Javik/From Ashes an other character like a badas* Batarian could substitute Javik, that wants to take revenge for his people that got overrun by Collectors.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

One problem - If we do recieve any, we shouldn't be told how many Protheans we get, unless it's a really big number. A number big enough to where it is impossible for any individual to be important solely because they're a Prothean.

[Nitrocuban]

Doesn't even have to be a concrete number, Asari Justicars are also very rare and yet we can play them in MP.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

Just wanted to add, that Father Superior is a dick. I am doing this for one singular reason....the chronicles of time.

Before this thread is lost to the chronicles of time, and lost forever, I want to state that Father Superior is a dick. His screename alone would be adequate proof. When this thread is found thousands of years in the future by an intelligent sentient species researching the long-extinct human race, they will know that the one known as ManRightChea has come to the conclusion that the one known as Father Superior is a dick.

That is all.

Why is he a dick? Because you disagree with him? Because he is one of the few here who can put up a debate filled with logical structure and dynamics? Because he calls people on on their clear faults when they attempt to counter-arguement, whose arguements are so ridicoulous - especially when their arguement  has already been addressed in the very first post of this thread? 

How wise of you to come to this conclusion that he is a dick. Surely you are a man/woman/whatever, whose opinion based on ignorance should be warranted?  Yes, I'm sure whatever advanced civilization that comes across this thread will see how much of a pompous ignorant fellow you are to come to such a rash conclusion on an individual you hardly know.


Javik will now show you to the airlock, good day.

[ManRightChea]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

Just wanted to add, that Father Superior is a dick. I am doing this for one singular reason....the chronicles of time.

Before this thread is lost to the chronicles of time, and lost forever, I want to state that Father Superior is a dick. His screename alone would be adequate proof. When this thread is found thousands of years in the future by an intelligent sentient species researching the long-extinct human race, they will know that the one known as ManRightChea has come to the conclusion that the one known as Father Superior is a dick.

That is all.

Why is he a dick? Because you disagree with him? Because he is one of the few here who can put up a debate filled with logical structure and dynamics? Because he calls people on on their clear faults when they attempt to counter-arguement, whose arguements are so ridicoulous - especially when their arguement  has already been addressed in the very first post of this thread? 

How wise of you to come to this conclusion that he is a dick. Surely you are a man/woman/whatever, whose opinion based on ignorance should be warranted?  Yes, I'm sure whatever advanced civilization that comes across this thread will see how much of a pompous ignorant fellow you are to come to such a rash conclusion on an individual you hardly know.


Javik will now show you to the airlock, good day.

You are hardly qualified to a judge of character. You are the type of person that puts their fingers in their ears when they hear a logical well constructed rebuttal to your arguments. I have been reading these thread pages, you specifically are very rash and quick to ad hominem childish responses to very logically sound debates.

You make yourself even less credible when you react with hostility and call people primitives over and over due to not personally liking the arguments one is making, and yes I am well aware that Javik uses the term multiple times throughout the SP campaign.

[Dark Tlaloc]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

Why do we need lore reasons? MP doesn't fallow lore .....

Not quite. The lore connection between SP and MP only serves to limit the types of kits we may use (and Galaxy at War, but no ones cares about that). True, MP doesn't follow lore; Instead, it's based off of what's possible in SP's lore.

We are given Geth and Quarian kits because there is a possibilty to get them to cooperate in SP. The Collectors still exist because the slight mention of them in the codex (let's face it; where there are seeker swarms there are probably Collectors) and the Reapers ability to clone them at will made them a possibility. We were given playable Volus because nothing in the lore says they can't operate a gun (though it does say that they are terrible at doing so). These are all possibilities that required no explanation. Bringing back more members of an extinct race will. I don't believe that BW can come up with one that won't ruin some major part of the narrative.

See, I guess this is one of my points about Protheans—If we
now fight the Collectors in MP (which, let’s face it, wasn’t happening in SP)
based on the bare premise of them probably still existing (using seeker swarms
as evidence), how different is it to include Protheans on the bare premise of
having found one living, and the same thing possibly happening on a couple
remote worlds in the Outer Rim?

 

I don’t think this is too much of a stretch; I certainly
understand the idea of artistic integrity, and believe me, I’ve thought about
whether I’d value Javik less in SP if Protheans existed in MP, but honestly,
doesn’t Mass Effect 2 get somewhat cancelled out if we’re fighting the
Collectors in ME3? We did a suicide run to end the Collector threat, and now
they’re back again?

 

Personally, this doesn’t bother me a bit, because I think MP
should be interpreted a little more loosely than SP; I’m simply pointing out
that there are loose threads throughout MP, so I try not to take it too
seriously.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

ManRightChea wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

Just wanted to add, that Father Superior is a dick. I am doing this for one singular reason....the chronicles of time.

Before this thread is lost to the chronicles of time, and lost forever, I want to state that Father Superior is a dick. His screename alone would be adequate proof. When this thread is found thousands of years in the future by an intelligent sentient species researching the long-extinct human race, they will know that the one known as ManRightChea has come to the conclusion that the one known as Father Superior is a dick.

That is all.

Why is he a dick? Because you disagree with him? Because he is one of the few here who can put up a debate filled with logical structure and dynamics? Because he calls people on on their clear faults when they attempt to counter-arguement, whose arguements are so ridicoulous - especially when their arguement  has already been addressed in the very first post of this thread? 

How wise of you to come to this conclusion that he is a dick. Surely you are a man/woman/whatever, whose opinion based on ignorance should be warranted?  Yes, I'm sure whatever advanced civilization that comes across this thread will see how much of a pompous ignorant fellow you are to come to such a rash conclusion on an individual you hardly know.


Javik will now show you to the airlock, good day.

You are hardly qualified to a judge of character. You are the type of person that puts their fingers in their ears when they hear a logical well constructed rebuttal to your arguments. I have been reading these thread pages, you specifically are very rash and quick to ad hominem childish responses to very logically sound debates.

You make yourself even less credible when you react with hostility and call people primitives over and over due to not personally liking the arguments one is making, and yes I am well aware that Javik uses the term multiple times throughout the SP campaign.

Point to one instance to where Father_Superior "put his fingers in his ear" or "ad-hominem" responses.


I am certainly in a better position to judge one's character when everything you described is a clear antithesis to my goal with this thread. I named it  Pro-thean ARGUEMENTS for a reason. I even explicilty stated this in the OP: "I welcome the Anti-Prothean crowd to express their opinion. I only ask that you keep things civil"

something to which you clearly are not capable of. You have contributed nothing to this thread but an insult. I should report you to the moderators for flaming another poster here.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 25 janvier 2013 - 03:24 .