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[Pyth the Bull]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Pyth the Bull wrote...

tl;dr version?

Protheans in MP is lore-friendly. Two possibilities: Cloning, or  hidden bunker on un-charted planet.

And just to add my two cents to this idea.

I don't think they need any reason at all to add Protheans to MP. It's ****ing MULTIPLAYER. If people are upset by the fact that it wouldn't be "lore friendly", then they obviously have issues that stem far beyond their gaming lives.

It literally suprised the hell out of me when I found out that the "Phoenix" characters weren't Protheans. Everything up to that point made me believe they would be. Instead we got spam-tastic Cerberus rejects.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

Xaijin wrote...

You keep making this topic saying it doesn't break despite the fact BW won't remotely move in a pro prothean direction for rather obvious reasons. Give it a rest.

Growing clones takes forever even without moral or ethical restrictions, as Okeer showed. Kakliosaurs have the same logistical issues, and they don't even to be taught or trained very much.

Javik's pod is in one of the last facilities on absolutely minimal power, and even the best maintained facility on Ilos failed. Yet shepard's just going to go the planet fanfictionia and find hordes of perfectly maintained super protheans in perfectly maintained super pods. right.

The only race capable of cloning the protheans are Reapers. Oops.

No protheans, all dead.

You want to know why Anti-Prothean people are looked down upon? Because they make half-assed assumptions and don't even bother reading the whole argument before spewing out a fallacious contradictory argument. 

Also this is my first Prothean thread. Take your primitive hostilities elsewhere. Javik is waiting for you by the air-lock. 


Also...

"The only race capable of cloning the Protheans are Reapers. Oops."


Not true.


And IF true...


Leviathan DLC gives us a rogue Reaper as a war asset. 


Wow! You did all the work for me. Thanks. 

[Senkis]

tl,dr. Protheans no. Dont **** the story up.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

4 in the morning here... will return to this thread later. Hopefully it won't be overrun by primitives.

[GroverA125]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective.

Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable.

Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???

And now I will raise points against yours:

1) Cloning Protheans would be a considerably pointless exercise, it would take vast amounts of time to get a "perfect" Prothean out of it, and it is likely that after the cloning process, there'll be better concerns on their mind (e.g. "We need to repopulate as a race and find a home!"). Use of Javik and other protheans learning through contact isn't a viable point for training them either. If you give a human a tail, they won't be able to effectively control it for years, maybe even decades. Meaning you'd either have to wait it out for them to be able to control that ability, or do it the old fashioned way, both of which take time, and would likely not be finished for the end of the reaper war.

2) Finding a secret bunker with a hundred protheans is in no way plausible and Justifiable. Were all of these protheans to be in perfect health, they would have popped out of their pods right after the reapers left, warned the galaxy, created a major prescence in the galaxy and created effective weapons to use against them. They wouldn't choose to exit them at the immediate end of a cycle, where their knowledge means nothing. Also, nobody's going to be searching for them. I cannot think of one scenario in which you would tell a research team to "go out into the galaxy and sweep every single planet for even the possibility of a Prothean base, while your home planet burns to ashes and you could all be developing the Crucible". It would be a complete waste of time, and likely never happen. If no-one managed to find them within the space that the reapers were gone, then they really aren't going to find anything in a few months.

3) Nobody would have the time to clone Protheans. Every able-bodied researcher is working on getting the crucible up and running, not running around finding milennia-extinct things to clone. Plus, you have to go through Javik, the only Prothean alive and capable of being cloned, who seems very much reluctant to get his race up and running, considering his thoughts on what he will do when the war ends, I don't think he wants to be cloned.


So finding a bunker is out of the question, and Javik doesn't want to be cloned, nor would anyone likely try to find him with a war going on and reapers zipping around the galaxy. Plus cloning them would require training and teaching them to use their powers, which would take a long time and may never pay off. Much easier to clone little dinosaurs for the Krogan to ride on.

[Broganisity]

Dear 'Readers of this Post',

Please do not take the following the wrong way: My opinion on this matter is irrelevant, as is yours, and everyone else who posts in this thread. Whether or not Protheans are added into Multi-player will forever be in the hands of Bioware and not ourselves.

They decided the lore, they decided to create the character 'Javik' even though previously it was believed that they were thoroughly wiped out. If I recall correctly, there were many unhappy people when this was found out, but eventually they glossed over it and came to like the character.

Lore can be assembled and dis-assembled at Bioware's whim alone, and they would not be the first to remove previously believed concepts: the term 'retconning' is used frequently to describe situations in comic books where something that occurred previously was changed. "'X' superhero dead? Not anymore, do to this reason which may or may not make sense!".

Or in the case of Mass Effect:
"Shepard dead? Not anymore, do to this reason which may or may not make sense!"
or
"Protheans dead? Not anymore, do to this reason which may or may not make sense!"

Now that I'm done with that little speech: My direct opinion on Protheans being added to multiplayer? If they add something unique to the game and aren't given a generic ability set that may or may not include Dark Channel then by all means go for it. If however these Protheans are given a power set that's either redundant or unoriginal (Phoenix classes, I'm looking at you!) then we'd be better off without them.

Modifié par Broganisity, 14 août 2012 - 08:02 .

[Deadlysyns]

GroverA125 wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective.

Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable.

Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???

And now I will raise points against yours:

1) Cloning Protheans would be a considerably pointless exercise, it would take vast amounts of time to get a "perfect" Prothean out of it, and it is likely that after the cloning process, there'll be better concerns on their mind (e.g. "We need to repopulate as a race and find a home!"). Use of Javik and other protheans learning through contact isn't a viable point for training them either. If you give a human a tail, they won't be able to effectively control it for years, maybe even decades. Meaning you'd either have to wait it out for them to be able to control that ability, or do it the old fashioned way, both of which take time, and would likely not be finished for the end of the reaper war.

2) Finding a secret bunker with a hundred protheans is in no way plausible and Justifiable. Were all of these protheans to be in perfect health, they would have popped out of their pods right after the reapers left, warned the galaxy, created a major prescence in the galaxy and created effective weapons to use against them. They wouldn't choose to exit them at the immediate end of a cycle, where their knowledge means nothing. Also, nobody's going to be searching for them. I cannot think of one scenario in which you would tell a research team to "go out into the galaxy and sweep every single planet for even the possibility of a Prothean base, while your home planet burns to ashes and you could all be developing the Crucible". It would be a complete waste of time, and likely never happen. If no-one managed to find them within the space that the reapers were gone, then they really aren't going to find anything in a few months.

3) Nobody would have the time to clone Protheans. Every able-bodied researcher is working on getting the crucible up and running, not running around finding milennia-extinct things to clone. Plus, you have to go through Javik, the only Prothean alive and capable of being cloned, who seems very much reluctant to get his race up and running, considering his thoughts on what he will do when the war ends, I don't think he wants to be cloned.


So finding a bunker is out of the question, and Javik doesn't want to be cloned, nor would anyone likely try to find him with a war going on and reapers zipping around the galaxy. Plus cloning them would require training and teaching them to use their powers, which would take a long time and may never pay off. Much easier to clone little dinosaurs for the Krogan to ride on.

 
2. The pods had to be opened from the Outside just have the VI that ran the Facility Malfunction after sealing them in its easy enough. And Cereberus could have found the Bunker. People Believed Protheans to be extinct they were happy just finding Knowledge from them look how long it took them to find the info about the Reapers if your going to try and make a point try harder 

[Xaijin]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

You keep making this topic saying it doesn't break despite the fact BW won't remotely move in a pro prothean direction for rather obvious reasons. Give it a rest.

Growing clones takes forever even without moral or ethical restrictions, as Okeer showed. Kakliosaurs have the same logistical issues, and they don't even to be taught or trained very much.

Javik's pod is in one of the last facilities on absolutely minimal power, and even the best maintained facility on Ilos failed. Yet shepard's just going to go the planet fanfictionia and find hordes of perfectly maintained super protheans in perfectly maintained super pods. right.

The only race capable of cloning the protheans are Reapers. Oops.

No protheans, all dead.

You want to know why Anti-Prothean people are looked down upon? Because they make half-assed assumptions and don't even bother reading the whole argument before spewing out a fallacious contradictory argument. 

Also this is my first Prothean thread. Take your primitive hostilities elsewhere. Javik is waiting for you by the air-lock. 


Also...

"The only race capable of cloning the Protheans are Reapers. Oops."


Not true.


And IF true...


Leviathan DLC gives us a rogue Reaper as a war asset. 


Wow! You did all the work for me. Thanks. 

None of which assumes Leviathan has remotely any interest in cloning perfectly trained protheans in THREE MONTHS.

None of your original points PROVE anything, in fact they ignore the game itself, on purpose, because just like the indoctrination theory, they rely 100% on coulda woulda shoulda, which BW has 100% failed to address despite having the opportunity to do so.

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Modifié par Xaijin, 14 août 2012 - 08:03 .

[Deadlysyns]

Xaijin wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

You keep making this topic saying it doesn't break despite the fact BW won't remotely move in a pro prothean direction for rather obvious reasons. Give it a rest.

Growing clones takes forever even without moral or ethical restrictions, as Okeer showed. Kakliosaurs have the same logistical issues, and they don't even to be taught or trained very much.

Javik's pod is in one of the last facilities on absolutely minimal power, and even the best maintained facility on Ilos failed. Yet shepard's just going to go the planet fanfictionia and find hordes of perfectly maintained super protheans in perfectly maintained super pods. right.

The only race capable of cloning the protheans are Reapers. Oops.

No protheans, all dead.

You want to know why Anti-Prothean people are looked down upon? Because they make half-assed assumptions and don't even bother reading the whole argument before spewing out a fallacious contradictory argument. 

Also this is my first Prothean thread. Take your primitive hostilities elsewhere. Javik is waiting for you by the air-lock. 


Also...

"The only race capable of cloning the Protheans are Reapers. Oops."


Not true.


And IF true...


Leviathan DLC gives us a rogue Reaper as a war asset. 


Wow! You did all the work for me. Thanks. 

None of which assumes Leviathan has remotely any interest in cloning perfectly trained protheans in THREE MONTHS.

None of your original points PROVE anything, in fact they ignore the game itself, on purpose, because just like the indoctrination theory, they rely 100% on coulda woulda shoulda, which BW has 100% failed to address despite having the opportunity to do so.

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

They don't show every member of the Army in the Ending Content 

[NinthGeorgesw]

Xaijin wrote...

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Number of Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Operatives shown in ending content?

[Deadlysyns]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Number of Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Operatives shown in ending content?

 Better yet number of Phoenix Operatives in Single player at all is Zero

[Vikingo]

My god, this again.....

uncertainsky wrote...

Protheans in mp would be great.

If you want lore just play single player.

Yeah, screw the lore!!!!


I want a "Batman Infiltrator" and a "Teletubbie Sentinel" in the next DLC!!!!!

[NinthGeorgesw]

Deadlysyns wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Number of Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Operatives shown in ending content?

 Better yet number of Phoenix Operatives in Single player at all is Zero

Yes. That was what I was implying. Just because we have only seen one Prothean doesn't mean we won't see more in future DLC (SP and MP).

Modifié par NinthGeorgesw, 14 août 2012 - 08:14 .

[Deadlysyns]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Number of Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Operatives shown in ending content?

 Better yet number of Phoenix Operatives in Single player at all is Zero

Yes. That was what I was implying. Just because we have only seen one Prothean doesn't mean we won't see more in future DLC (SP and MP).

So weird Agreeing here and Arguing There :S 

[GroverA125]

Deadlysyns wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective.

Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable.

Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???

And now I will raise points against yours:

1) Cloning Protheans would be a considerably pointless exercise, it would take vast amounts of time to get a "perfect" Prothean out of it, and it is likely that after the cloning process, there'll be better concerns on their mind (e.g. "We need to repopulate as a race and find a home!"). Use of Javik and other protheans learning through contact isn't a viable point for training them either. If you give a human a tail, they won't be able to effectively control it for years, maybe even decades. Meaning you'd either have to wait it out for them to be able to control that ability, or do it the old fashioned way, both of which take time, and would likely not be finished for the end of the reaper war.

2) Finding a secret bunker with a hundred protheans is in no way plausible and Justifiable. Were all of these protheans to be in perfect health, they would have popped out of their pods right after the reapers left, warned the galaxy, created a major prescence in the galaxy and created effective weapons to use against them. They wouldn't choose to exit them at the immediate end of a cycle, where their knowledge means nothing. Also, nobody's going to be searching for them. I cannot think of one scenario in which you would tell a research team to "go out into the galaxy and sweep every single planet for even the possibility of a Prothean base, while your home planet burns to ashes and you could all be developing the Crucible". It would be a complete waste of time, and likely never happen. If no-one managed to find them within the space that the reapers were gone, then they really aren't going to find anything in a few months.

3) Nobody would have the time to clone Protheans. Every able-bodied researcher is working on getting the crucible up and running, not running around finding milennia-extinct things to clone. Plus, you have to go through Javik, the only Prothean alive and capable of being cloned, who seems very much reluctant to get his race up and running, considering his thoughts on what he will do when the war ends, I don't think he wants to be cloned.


So finding a bunker is out of the question, and Javik doesn't want to be cloned, nor would anyone likely try to find him with a war going on and reapers zipping around the galaxy. Plus cloning them would require training and teaching them to use their powers, which would take a long time and may never pay off. Much easier to clone little dinosaurs for the Krogan to ride on.

 
2. The pods had to be opened from the Outside just have the VI that ran the Facility Malfunction after sealing them in its easy enough. And Cereberus could have found the Bunker. People Believed Protheans to be extinct they were happy just finding Knowledge from them look how long it took them to find the info about the Reapers if your going to try and make a point try harder 

Thanks for reminding me: Next problem with it is the fact of sustained power. These bunkers were meant to keep them in for a couple hundred years, while the reapers buggered off, not milennia after that. They had to have a limited power supply as to keep them off the radar and prevent the Reapers simply finding them and blowing their plan into multiple pieces, as such, they would have to sacrifice power to keep them alive, and I assure, you, 100 protheans would not come out of it, look at Ilos, which was running a simple VI and several hundred researchers. Also, the AI would have pulled them out AFTER the reapers left, not when they're coming back, were it to fail, then it would be clear that the reapers would have been there to make it fail, meaning that they would likely pick up on any presence there and simply move in and finish the job they started. Also, convenient that Cerberus would find TWO bunkers, both with live protheans in them, in a "needle in a haystack" situation with a million planets to look on with a million different places on each planet to look on. I doubt they'd get a streak going, nor would they need a streak, they don't need Protheans for their plan on stopping the reapers, to them it was a side objective to do along the way.

PS: If you're going to counter someone's counter-argument, make sure to both use punctuation and do so in a proper fashion. Not only is your point look like it's written by a three-year old just learning to use a keyboard, but also egging someone on to keep going in a fully-defensive argument is also a bad idea. There's a million ways your points could not happen, and only a few in which it would.

Modifié par GroverA125, 14 août 2012 - 08:25 .

[Astartes Marine]

Oh for the love of...what is the obsession with the motherfrakking Protheans?!  We see ONE Prothean, the LAST LIVING Prothean, and suddenly holy crap they're the most demanded race.  Javik wasn't even likeable and there's still this obsession.

Rather than actually good ideas (not to mention how much longer than Protheans they've been liked and requested) like Salarian STG operatives, Turian Cabal / Blackwatch troops, Quarian Marines, or Asari Commandos there's the demand for lousy Protheans.  What the flippity ****?

If BioWare caves in to this garbage rather than put resources and time
into creating GOOD content like more maps, more enemies, more weapons,
new ideas for equipable items or the above mentioned fan requested
characters and we instead got Protheans that would infuriate me to no end.

Skullheart wrote...
Javik, the last prothean.

I support this guy here, and I'd be willing to help make Javik STAY the last Prothean. 

I ain't reviving them if they die.

[Deadlysyns]

GroverA125 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective.

Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable.

Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???

And now I will raise points against yours:

1) Cloning Protheans would be a considerably pointless exercise, it would take vast amounts of time to get a "perfect" Prothean out of it, and it is likely that after the cloning process, there'll be better concerns on their mind (e.g. "We need to repopulate as a race and find a home!"). Use of Javik and other protheans learning through contact isn't a viable point for training them either. If you give a human a tail, they won't be able to effectively control it for years, maybe even decades. Meaning you'd either have to wait it out for them to be able to control that ability, or do it the old fashioned way, both of which take time, and would likely not be finished for the end of the reaper war.

2) Finding a secret bunker with a hundred protheans is in no way plausible and Justifiable. Were all of these protheans to be in perfect health, they would have popped out of their pods right after the reapers left, warned the galaxy, created a major prescence in the galaxy and created effective weapons to use against them. They wouldn't choose to exit them at the immediate end of a cycle, where their knowledge means nothing. Also, nobody's going to be searching for them. I cannot think of one scenario in which you would tell a research team to "go out into the galaxy and sweep every single planet for even the possibility of a Prothean base, while your home planet burns to ashes and you could all be developing the Crucible". It would be a complete waste of time, and likely never happen. If no-one managed to find them within the space that the reapers were gone, then they really aren't going to find anything in a few months.

3) Nobody would have the time to clone Protheans. Every able-bodied researcher is working on getting the crucible up and running, not running around finding milennia-extinct things to clone. Plus, you have to go through Javik, the only Prothean alive and capable of being cloned, who seems very much reluctant to get his race up and running, considering his thoughts on what he will do when the war ends, I don't think he wants to be cloned.


So finding a bunker is out of the question, and Javik doesn't want to be cloned, nor would anyone likely try to find him with a war going on and reapers zipping around the galaxy. Plus cloning them would require training and teaching them to use their powers, which would take a long time and may never pay off. Much easier to clone little dinosaurs for the Krogan to ride on.

 
2. The pods had to be opened from the Outside just have the VI that ran the Facility Malfunction after sealing them in its easy enough. And Cereberus could have found the Bunker. People Believed Protheans to be extinct they were happy just finding Knowledge from them look how long it took them to find the info about the Reapers if your going to try and make a point try harder 

Thanks for reminding me: Next problem with it is the fact of sustained power. These bunkers were meant to keep them in for a couple hundred years, while the reapers buggered off, not milennia after that. They had to have a limited power supply as to keep them off the radar and prevent the Reapers simply finding them and blowing their plan into multiple pieces, as such, they would have to sacrifice power to keep them alive, and I assure, you, 100 protheans would not come out of it, look at Ilos, which was running a simple VI and several hundred researchers. Also, the AI would have pulled them out AFTER the reapers left, not when they're coming back, were it to fail, then it would be clear that the reapers would have been there to make it fail, meaning that they would likely pick up on any presence there and simply move in and finish the job they started. Also, convenient that Cerberus would find TWO bunkers, both with live protheans in them, in a "needle in a haystack" situation with a million planets to look on with a million different places on each planet to look on. I doubt they'd get a streak going, nor would they need a streak, they don't need Protheans for their plan on stopping the reapers, to them it was a side objective to do along the way.

We don't need more then a couple lol i mean how many N7 operatives do you think there are they are the best of the best of the best 

[NinthGeorgesw]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Rather than actually good ideas (not to mention how much longer than Protheans they've been liked and requested) like Salarian STG operatives, Turian Cabal / Blackwatch troops, Quarian Marines, or Asari Commandos there's the demand for lousy Protheans.  What the flippity ****?

I have a better question. Why are people obsessed with characters we already have? The Quarians in MP are Marines. The Asari forces are Commandos, excluding the Justicar. Presumably the Salarians are STG. Why do people want more?

[GroverA125]

I'd also like to point out that it doesn't matter if you raise a bloody argument for protheans, since you aren't developing the content. If Bioware does it, then they do it, if they don't, they don't. They are perfectly capable of finding ways to put them in, they made the damn lore. You could make a million posts about this, but it won't change the outcome.

[NinthGeorgesw]

GroverA125 wrote...

I'd also like to point out that it doesn't matter if you raise a bloody argument for protheans, since you aren't developing the content. If Bioware does it, then they do it, if they don't, they don't. They are perfectly capable of finding ways to put them in, they made the damn lore. You could make a million posts about this, but it won't change the outcome.

Excpet showing that it's something we want in MP.

Anyway, I could reverse that argument on you. Why do you post on every thread saying you don't want Protheans, if you know it doesn't make a difference?

[Teratoid]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Number of Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Operatives shown in ending content?

 Better yet number of Phoenix Operatives in Single player at all is Zero

Yes. That was what I was implying. Just because we have only seen one Prothean doesn't mean we won't see more in future DLC (SP and MP).

I don't see that as a very valid argument either.

Phoenix operatives may not have been seen in the cutscenes during the ending, but the presence of ex-Cerberus personnel was implicit in SP.

You encounter a whole bunch of scientists. Chambers tells you about the people she managed to spirit away from Cerberus' hands. Even Miranda defects before ME3 even starts. It wasn't inconcievable that there were others who managed to escape the Cerberus indoctrination. So Phoenix isn't a lore breaking inclusion.

Protheans on the other hand... The entire point of Protheans was they died. They keep mysteriously rising from the dead and you're gonna have to question who really should be called "Phoenix". Javik being a one off itself is quite a gimmick.

What we need for the multiplayer is new modes and new foes, anyway. Not more new characters and weapons clogging the RNG system.

And yes, I'd rather that some amount of lore be kept in mind with the multiplayer. I'm one of "those" players. There's several reasons I chose to play Mass Effect over other multiplayer games. The story it is based around has a lot to do with it.

[Deadlysyns]

Teratoid wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

# of protheans involved in hammer and sword?

1.

# of prothean armies showed in ending content?

0.

Number of Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Operatives shown in ending content?

 Better yet number of Phoenix Operatives in Single player at all is Zero

Yes. That was what I was implying. Just because we have only seen one Prothean doesn't mean we won't see more in future DLC (SP and MP).

I don't see that as a very valid argument either.

Phoenix operatives may not have been seen in the cutscenes during the ending, but the presence of ex-Cerberus personnel was implicit in SP.

You encounter a whole bunch of scientists. Chambers tells you about the people she managed to spirit away from Cerberus' hands. Even Miranda defects before ME3 even starts. It wasn't inconcievable that there were others who managed to escape the Cerberus indoctrination. So Phoenix isn't a lore breaking inclusion.

Protheans on the other hand... The entire point of Protheans was they died. They keep mysteriously rising from the dead and you're gonna have to question who really should be called "Phoenix". Javik being a one off itself is quite a gimmick.

What we need for the multiplayer is new modes and new foes, anyway. Not more new characters and weapons clogging the RNG system.

And yes, I'd rather that some amount of lore be kept in mind with the multiplayer. I'm one of "those" players. There's several reasons I chose to play Mass Effect over other multiplayer games. The story it is based around has a lot to do with it.

No Cereberus Adepts just Scientists so your point is Moot we only get people to build the Crucible 

[GroverA125]

Deadlysyns wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective.

Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable.

Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???

And now I will raise points against yours:

1) Cloning Protheans would be a considerably pointless exercise, it would take vast amounts of time to get a "perfect" Prothean out of it, and it is likely that after the cloning process, there'll be better concerns on their mind (e.g. "We need to repopulate as a race and find a home!"). Use of Javik and other protheans learning through contact isn't a viable point for training them either. If you give a human a tail, they won't be able to effectively control it for years, maybe even decades. Meaning you'd either have to wait it out for them to be able to control that ability, or do it the old fashioned way, both of which take time, and would likely not be finished for the end of the reaper war.

2) Finding a secret bunker with a hundred protheans is in no way plausible and Justifiable. Were all of these protheans to be in perfect health, they would have popped out of their pods right after the reapers left, warned the galaxy, created a major prescence in the galaxy and created effective weapons to use against them. They wouldn't choose to exit them at the immediate end of a cycle, where their knowledge means nothing. Also, nobody's going to be searching for them. I cannot think of one scenario in which you would tell a research team to "go out into the galaxy and sweep every single planet for even the possibility of a Prothean base, while your home planet burns to ashes and you could all be developing the Crucible". It would be a complete waste of time, and likely never happen. If no-one managed to find them within the space that the reapers were gone, then they really aren't going to find anything in a few months.

3) Nobody would have the time to clone Protheans. Every able-bodied researcher is working on getting the crucible up and running, not running around finding milennia-extinct things to clone. Plus, you have to go through Javik, the only Prothean alive and capable of being cloned, who seems very much reluctant to get his race up and running, considering his thoughts on what he will do when the war ends, I don't think he wants to be cloned.


So finding a bunker is out of the question, and Javik doesn't want to be cloned, nor would anyone likely try to find him with a war going on and reapers zipping around the galaxy. Plus cloning them would require training and teaching them to use their powers, which would take a long time and may never pay off. Much easier to clone little dinosaurs for the Krogan to ride on.

 
2. The pods had to be opened from the Outside just have the VI that ran the Facility Malfunction after sealing them in its easy enough. And Cereberus could have found the Bunker. People Believed Protheans to be extinct they were happy just finding Knowledge from them look how long it took them to find the info about the Reapers if your going to try and make a point try harder 

Thanks for reminding me: Next problem with it is the fact of sustained power. These bunkers were meant to keep them in for a couple hundred years, while the reapers buggered off, not milennia after that. They had to have a limited power supply as to keep them off the radar and prevent the Reapers simply finding them and blowing their plan into multiple pieces, as such, they would have to sacrifice power to keep them alive, and I assure, you, 100 protheans would not come out of it, look at Ilos, which was running a simple VI and several hundred researchers. Also, the AI would have pulled them out AFTER the reapers left, not when they're coming back, were it to fail, then it would be clear that the reapers would have been there to make it fail, meaning that they would likely pick up on any presence there and simply move in and finish the job they started. Also, convenient that Cerberus would find TWO bunkers, both with live protheans in them, in a "needle in a haystack" situation with a million planets to look on with a million different places on each planet to look on. I doubt they'd get a streak going, nor would they need a streak, they don't need Protheans for their plan on stopping the reapers, to them it was a side objective to do along the way.

We don't need more then a couple lol i mean how many N7 operatives do you think there are they are the best of the best of the best 

Look at it this way: It took the galaxy 50,000 years to find a prothean bunker with ONE prothean in it. Good luck finding a second. Tell you what, get a dice and roll it, if you get a 6 consecutively 100 times, then you've pretty much got the same chances of getting a bunker with another prothean in. Again, good luck.

[Rib0flavin]

better lore friendly discovery of protheans.

A night filled with male shep slammin miranda and dat ass. Their wild romp takes them to the floor . Mirandas knee bumps something hollow on the ships floor. It opens up a secret compartment in the normandy.

In it is hidden co ordinance to a super secret bunker where Protheans in stasis pods are cloning themselves in mass numbers. and those clones are making more clones in which they put into stasis pods and so on.

You can't dispute it cuz it's space!

[Astartes Marine]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...
I have a better question. Why are people obsessed with characters we already have? The Quarians in MP are Marines. The Asari forces are Commandos, excluding the Justicar. Presumably the Salarians are STG. Why do people want more?

I meant more like the N7 forces, we could get a "Xeno Spec Ops" pack or something.  I was under the assumption that the Salarians were former STG like Mordin, the Quarians I could see actually now that I think of it though when I think Marine I tend to think of something a little more combat oriented like a Soldier class. 
With the Asari either it's an oversight on whoever does the class ability text but they each Asari's 4th skill path is called the "Justicar" skill path.  Kinda redundant now that there's a FULL Justicar.  That could be the excuse though, the basic Asari are in training to be full Justicars?

I do notice the Turian part you conveniently ignored. 

And if you're wondering on why, then perhaps it's because these groups have been built up in the past games to be the apexes of their respective race's military forces.  Asari Commandos are the pinacle of Asari combat biotics, Turian Blackwatch and Cabals are the most disciplined and lethal of their specialties, and the Salarian STG are the best for the Salarians...just like N7 is for humans and we already had "basic" human characters.