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[Teratoid]

Deadlysyns wrote...

No Cereberus Adepts just Scientists so your point is Moot we only get people to build the Crucible 

There's this thing people do, where they use their eyes to follow sequences of alphabets, the very design of which reflects the human brains' attraction to patterns. Its called "reading". You might want to try it every now and then. Here, I'll help you along.

Teratoid wrote...

Phoenix operatives may not have been seen in the cutscenes during the ending, but the presence of ex-Cerberus personnel was implicit in SP.

You encounter a whole bunch of  scientists. Chambers tells you about the people she managed to spirit  away from Cerberus' hands. Even Miranda defects before ME3 even starts.  It wasn't inconcievable that there were others who managed to escape the Cerberus indoctrination. So Phoenix isn't a lore breaking inclusion.

Modifié par Teratoid, 14 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[snackrat]

I don't know... the only cloning I know of the Salarians doing is for kaliosaurs. And cloning... you still need to grow them from infancy. It's not a photocopy.


As for bunkers... the Ilos bunker failed. Only around 12 survived, and they ended the stasis early.

Javik is the only one to survive the Eden Prime one, but keep in mind 1/3 of the Protheans there were killed in their pods, increasing available power for the others. And yet only ONE GUY made it.
This theoretical bunker would have to possess a LOT. of power. And, potentially, only ever being intended for a hundred or so. (Think of the all that power 'wasted' on those who were shut off anyway... if they were never there, more would have made it.) Which wouldn't be feasible because they were never intended to last that long anyway - why would they calculate they needed that? It's not like the rich bought the guarantee, at the time of cryo the galaxy was ravaged by war and everyone had to take up arms at one point or another. (Plus I very much doubt that the Protheans were capatalists.)

The Eden Prime base also didn't activate sooner because the site had been damaged. If another bunker was successfully working, they would have been released sooner - as soon as the next cycle began, not as the next cycle was dying. Which would mean:
a) if their numbers Protheans would have more presence, a LIVING one - prehaps the plan Javik mentioned of 'not giving a choice' to follow under their banner. OR
their numbers were too small to enact this plan. They continue like the Ilos base Protheans did - working behind the scenes, making modifications were possible.


Javik survived because he was a high-ranking soldier, and an avatar (of Vengeance). Potentially the HIGHEST ranking soldier to even be cryo'd.
Ilos scientists survived because they were a secret base set aside for SCIENCE! to help prevent the extinction of the next cycle.
So... what base would they uncover?

That said: I don't mind playing Protheans in MP. We already fight Geth on London and Palaven, fight Geth WITH GETH PLAYERS, fight Reapers at Cerberus' Glacier base, potentially fight with Quarians that have been wiped out. MP doesn't give a **** about Lore.
But unfortunately the lore still has issues slotting with SP.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 14 août 2012 - 08:40 .

[GroverA125]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

I'd also like to point out that it doesn't matter if you raise a bloody argument for protheans, since you aren't developing the content. If Bioware does it, then they do it, if they don't, they don't. They are perfectly capable of finding ways to put them in, they made the damn lore. You could make a million posts about this, but it won't change the outcome.

Excpet showing that it's something we want in MP.

Anyway, I could reverse that argument on you. Why do you post on every thread saying you don't want Protheans, if you know it doesn't make a difference?

Because it's jolly good sport, why else? Why are any of us even on computers when we could be playing the game?

And by the way: I think the 100th thread made on the matter showed them that some people wanted protheans, and a substantial amount of others didn't.

[fanning]

your all over thinking things we "primitives" cannot comprehend if protheans want to be in dlc for mp then by god protheans will be in multiplayer

[GroverA125]

fanning wrote...

your all over thinking things we "primitives" cannot comprehend if protheans want to be in dlc for mp then by god protheans will be in multiplayer

A Prothean arrives exactly when they mean to!

Even if that is 5 years after the game's been released, and every other possible idea has been done.

[Deadlysyns]

Teratoid wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

No Cereberus Adepts just Scientists so your point is Moot we only get people to build the Crucible 

There's this thing people do, where they use their eyes to follow sequences of alphabets, the very design of which reflects the human brains' attraction to patterns. Its called "reading". You might want to try it every now and then. Here, I'll help you along.

Teratoid wrote...

Phoenix operatives may not have been seen in the cutscenes during the ending, but the presence of ex-Cerberus personnel was implicit in SP.

You encounter a whole bunch of  scientists. Chambers tells you about the people she managed to spirit  away from Cerberus' hands. Even Miranda defects before ME3 even starts.  It wasn't inconcievable that there were others who managed to escape the Cerberus indoctrination. So Phoenix isn't a lore breaking inclusion.

by your logic we saw one living Prothean why not more 

[Xaijin]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Rather than actually good ideas (not to mention how much longer than Protheans they've been liked and requested) like Salarian STG operatives, Turian Cabal / Blackwatch troops, Quarian Marines, or Asari Commandos there's the demand for lousy Protheans.  What the flippity ****?

I have a better question. Why are people obsessed with characters we already have? The Quarians in MP are Marines. The Asari forces are Commandos, excluding the Justicar. Presumably the Salarians are STG. Why do people want more?

"N7" codex entry says otherwise, so does 100% customer adoption rate of new packs.

[iplay222]

Biased opinions?

All opinions are biased, they're opinions -.-

[Magicman10893]

Karsciyin wrote...

That said: I don't mind playing Protheans in MP. We already fight Geth on London and Palaven, fight Geth WITH GETH PLAYERS, fight Reapers at Cerberus' Glacier base, potentially fight with Quarians that have been wiped out. MP doesn't give a **** about Lore.
But unfortunately the lore still has issues slotting with SP.

This completely sums up my feelings and thoughts on the matter.

[Teratoid]

Deadlysyns wrote...

 by your logic we saw one living Prothean why not more 

Good gravy, man: is that the conclusion you came to? Because "my logic" suggests nothing of the sort.

What I suggested is that it wasn't inconcievable that Ex-Cerberus personnel existed beyond the few displayed by the SP campaign. The Phoenix operatives just built off of that.

But more Protheans? That means that the Reapers did a terrible job during the previous cycle.

They keep popping up everywhere, and the entire foundation of the damn game starts to crumble. Why fight the Reapers at all? Just hide from them till they go away, apparently that would work pretty well, seeing as Protheans are magically appearing from every crevase. Just dig a couple of feet into the ground, hook yourself up to some wires and go into stasis. Apparently the Reapers have not considered overturning stones, the fools.

And whats to say that the Protheans showing up will be military types, anyway? 

I've written my peace on this whole Protheans in MP thing. You may continue to wander in circles if you wish. This conversation is now over.

[InsomniaticMeat]

I'm not sure if anyone knows anything about the Mass Effect books.. But the Quarians initially wanted to travel off to uncharted space via the use of previously unused mass relays - So apparently not all of the relays are in use. Who says the Protheans didn't go through one of these relays so many years ago? They could've tried to escape from the Reapers' grasp by trying to escape the Milky Way.

Ilos has several survivors. Only problem was that they traveled to the Citadel via a one-way portal and MOST LIKELY never got out - Emphasis on most likely. No Prothean bodies were ever discovered on the Citadel and it was only assumed they ran out of food and died. So yes, there might still be survivors from Ilos.

Even if those died, the possibility of another group of stasis pods being placed on other worlds is always there. Those could've been brought out of stasis, after which they decided it wasn't safe enough to set up camp on the current plant - Going back to a previous paragraph.. They might then travel through a relay and into unexplored space.

Is it unrealistic? Perhaps. But what if? Humans never thought they'd be able to fly. They never thought we'd be able to go into space. They never thought they'd discover life at the bottom of the ocean. Believing the impossible is one step closer to getting there.

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

BS idea is BS.

[Kyerea]

Deadlysyns wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

No. Just no.

 Why because you and a few others don't want it. get off your high horse its MP not Story mode

Didn't realize Edmonton and Montreal counted as a few? Or 3/4ths of the entire BSN collective for that matter. The MP is dictated by ME3's story in relation to it's thematic universe. Unless BW states otherwise, there will be no Protheans in the MP due to lore inaccuracies. Don't like it? Go play something else.

[Jon Phoenix]

The original poster is in fact correct, there is enough lore to support the Protheans returning through cloning.

Fact: Cloning has been a part of all three games.
Fact: Cloning an army of krogan doesn't actually take much time at all.
Fact: they have live Prothean DNA
Fact: Protheans learn through a haptic learning system.
Fact: the only viable clone with viable intelligence was Grunt.
Why: because Okeer used collector technology, which was clearly their ability to learn trough touch.

Do I want to see Protheans in MP, I'm not against it, but would prefer it was backed up by a single player DLC. I feel the same way about the Phoenix operatives. They should have been released in conjunction with a DLC that explained their origins. It would effectively be a follow up to Infiltrator and the barn/Enzo story.

[corporal doody]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...


A few dozen Protheans would be enough. N7 Operatives number in the hundreds... NOT the millions. This is why Multplayer has a max of 4 players. 


Of course you probably did not even bother reading the op. Why am I repeating myself when I already shutdown your argument in the op? 

WOOOOoooo you pwn buddy.


well your OP kinda stinks dude......and was soooo convoluted and BLOATED i didnt bother to read....RATHER... quickly disavowed EVERYTHING you wrote.

AND you have failed to change my mind....i dont want Protheans in ME3MP:P


PS....I SO love when people put "YOU DIDNT READ MY POST" as a agrument point.  Whatevaz bro.  I know you read my post


edit: and quoting BSN members as sources? i guess that makes your points legit

Modifié par corporal doody, 14 août 2012 - 09:32 .

[WaffleCrab]

Read the books, you will see why cloning wount do.

[Teratoid]

InsomniaticMeat wrote...

I'm not sure if anyone knows anything about the Mass Effect books.. But the Quarians initially wanted to travel off to uncharted space via the use of previously unused mass relays - So apparently not all of the relays are in use. Who says the Protheans didn't go through one of these relays so many years ago? They could've tried to escape from the Reapers' grasp by trying to escape the Milky Way.

They are uncharted relays in the current cycle. Who is to say the Protheans hadn't already explored it and recorded it at the Citadel? That thing about Reapers being thorough, I'm pretty sure that includes looking everywhere. Ilos only survived because NO ONE else knew about it, and Eden Prime was a fluke where one very condescending ****** managed to make it because others died ensuring that.

Even if other Protheans did survive the Reaper purge without going into stasis, it would've taken tens of thousands of Protheans to maintain a sustainable population, so unless you're okay with having severly weak and inbred Protheans as MP characters, where the event of a Swarmer sneezing next to you would likely rupture your spleen (if Protheans have spleens), its not a valid enough suggestion.

InsomniaticMeat wrote...

Ilos has several survivors.

Had.

InsomniaticMeat wrote...
Only problem was that they traveled to the Citadel via a one-way portal and MOST LIKELY never got out - Emphasis on most likely. No Prothean bodies were ever discovered on the Citadel and it was only assumed they ran out of food and died. So yes, there might still be survivors from Ilos.

Who would've had to go into stasis to survive to this day. Because, once again, genetics and inbreeding come into play. Besides, the Reapers were hadly likely to have left supplies and ships behind. They came through the Citadel, so the first thing they did, as Reapers are wont to do, was to blow up everything in sight of their sensors.

InsomniaticMeat wrote...

Even if those died, the possibility of another group of stasis pods being placed on other worlds is always there. Those could've been brought out of stasis, after which they decided it wasn't safe enough to set up camp on the current plant - Going back to a previous paragraph.. They might then travel through a relay and into unexplored space.

This point has been argued some manyh times that it just wants to retire to a farm somewhere with a nice dog for company and a good book to read.

The Reapers wiped them out. Period. That's one of the major plot lines. Christ in a toupee, its not that difficult a concept to absorb. The Reapers are thorough, methodical, and effective. Otherwise, why just the Protheans? Have thousands of other long dead species popping up everywhere too.

[Oggy666]

Lore, looore, LOOORE!!!
Laughing - so many things do not make sense in MP, yet people will cry about some lore.
Add everything and F the lore. Maybe sort of Pinnacle station training, fighting rachni, collectors, yahg. Prothean characters, mercenaries...add all the things!

[FeralJester616]

Deadlysyns wrote...

gh0st wh1sp3r wrote...

No. Just no.

 Why because you and a few others don't want it. get off your high horse its MP not Story mode

As the multi player is tied to the single player, I really don't think they can put protheans into the MP without first putting more of them back into the SP... 

At the time of this game there is only one, Javik...

I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, only that untill they change the lore they shouldn't add them...

[jaydubs67]

The real issue is this. Shepard has extensive intelligence assets (Liara, info from the alliance, STG contacts, etc.). If there are Protheans fighting with N7/Alliance forces, Shepard will find out about it. Heck, when you promote a class they are added to Shepard's war assets. And Shepard is unlikely to just happen not to mention to Javik that there are a bunch of Protheans running around since they have a ton of talks about his status as the last of his kind.

So while there are ways that Protheans could be added to multiplayer, most would require extensive dialogue additions to the SP portion of the game. If they add Protheans back in, whether through cloning, or pods, or some other option X, it's all find and dandy with me as long as the SP is augmented to fit with the new addition. But without new dialogue, whatever explanation they could come up with goes back into non-sensical lore-breaking territory.

[SierraGHOSTN7]

YEAH, GENIUS OP.
They cloned an army of Protheans in 1 month. No, one day.

[Untonic]

Great idea, though to be honest... not really buying it. No offense.

The fact with Rachni is that, the Council species have seen Rachni in action.. how they reproduce, what conditions they live in, how to communicate and the Rachni on Noveria was from an egg that was marginally intact.

The DNA wasn't that old, so it was able to overcome the evolution of bacteria.

The only reason why Jurassic Park wouldn't be real is because the Dinosaurs evolved from an environment of that time period.

Protheans evolved 50,000 years ago, doesn't seem like much but during cosmic events and climate shifts, bacteria and cells could and would change. Being violently thrusted back into an environment such as that would be destructive to their health... besides what do they eat? How much water do they need? Do they even breath?

Scientific analyzis, I don't mean to spoil the fun, but think deeper a little.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Ace-Hood wrote...

Read ghost whisperers sig thats ****ing weird

Yes you're gay!  And I like pizza!  Now, who the hell cares? 

[MaggotFragger]

I have an idea, why don't they just find some preserved vials of Prothean DNA in a ruined lab somewhere? It doesn't detract from the "all the stasis pods died" element.

[Untonic]

Ace-Hood wrote...

Read ghost whisperers sig thats ****ing weird

You really wasted your time writing that? Like you couldn't contribute or anything? At least he has the decency to not **** you like apparently all gay people just apparently do 24/7.

People really need to grow up. Not like he's doing anything wrong.

Modifié par Untonic, 14 août 2012 - 10:22 .