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#76
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Skullheart wrote...

Javik, the last prothean.


This.  He was put in place to show the reality of what Shepard and the galaxy are facing.  That's pretty much his whole purpose.

Last thing the Alliance would want is the Salarians risking resources on clones, only to have said location where clones are growing get wasted.

If/when the galaxy survives, then they can consider cloning the Protheans back to live.

Cloning the Protheans would be a Hail Mary pass.  A last ditch and decidedly STUPID attempt to fight back.  "Hey guys, lets spends lots of money to cook up a batch of Prothean stew, watch it simmer for a while, all while we lose worlds, then watch most of them invariably die in the lopsided battles they will face."

Last I checked, the galaxy is already spending all their resources on a last ditch effort to save the galaxy.

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is there a reason why would species of our cycle cloned protheans? I mean why, what's the point? just to please MP players? protheans are dead deal with it  :D

whatever your argument is, it's invalid :kissing:

concentrate on quality not quantity more turians, asari, krogans, salarians,...

Modifié par jancz89, 14 août 2012 - 10:30 .


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Yes, and let's completely stomp Javik's story to pieces.
Seriously, at least make a SP dlc first.

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Prothean bunkers: If it was for civilians then the info on these bunkers would reach the reapers. And Science research facilities are most likely to have bunkers ready in a time of need.

but if they were hidden on a colonized planet it is likely  to be found (reapers took their time making sure there was nothing left. thousands of years)

If the info on that bunker was held on the citadel it would be in reapers hands.

If held off world only few would reach it (most being trapped and killed before leaving) and even then it would be in ->charted< space so the bunker has to be well hidden with stockpile of resources that would last 50 000 years (which had to be put together before hand which is unlikely because they had no clue of the upcoming danger)

Cloning seems more likely but has some weird bits like only the hannar would back a project like this (with salarians doing the work) which is fine

DNA would have to be stolen from javik assuming the DNA obtained on Ilos was not good enough (if its was enough prothean clone would already exist)

The Prothean Clones can only learn about Prothean through what is already known so lost technology can not be recovered or loss knowledge (i guess some can be recovered through Prothean artifacts but not helpful stuff)

Im starting to think mp should just not make sense so we can get more out of it.

Modifié par Godokay, 14 août 2012 - 10:45 .


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I would love protheans in mp
i need new stuff!

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seems to me that people were amazed by Javik's coolness and now they want other protheans, but that's just not possibleblebleble

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Skullheart wrote...

Javik, the last prothean.


This. There is no lore friendly way to have MP Protheans

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Protheans in Multiplayer? So lore breaking.

-Goes back to fighting Geth on Firebase London on his Geth Infiltrator-

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WaffleCrab wrote...

Read the books, you will see why cloning wount do.


i have yet to see him explain this away.

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corporal doody wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...


A few dozen Protheans would be enough. N7 Operatives number in the hundreds... NOT the millions. This is why Multplayer has a max of 4 players. 


Of course you probably did not even bother reading the op. Why am I repeating myself when I already shutdown your argument in the op? -_-



WOOOOoooo you pwn buddy.


well your OP kinda stinks dude......and was soooo convoluted and BLOATED i didnt bother to read....RATHER... quickly disavowed EVERYTHING you wrote.

AND you have failed to change my mind....i dont want Protheans in ME3MP:P


PS....I SO love when people put "YOU DIDNT READ MY POST" as a agrument point.  Whatevaz bro.  I know you read my post :D


edit: and quoting BSN members as sources? i guess that makes your points legit





Then no one will give two cents worth a **** what you think. Talking smack and acting like a self-entitled douche is not going to win anyone's support.


And yes, quoting other BSN members who make a well-written logical argument does in fact make my point legit.



If someone wants to make an illogical point & express their douchebaggery, they can quote you for reference.


Stay classy.

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GroverA125 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

As such cloning only a few dozen or a hundred Protheans is very believable & cost effective.

Also finding a secret bunker with a hundred Protheans is just as plausible & justifiable.

Cloning: Who would be willing to clone Protheans???


And now I will raise points against yours:

1) Cloning Protheans would be a considerably pointless exercise, it would take vast amounts of time to get a "perfect" Prothean out of it, and it is likely that after the cloning process, there'll be better concerns on their mind (e.g. "We need to repopulate as a race and find a home!"). Use of Javik and other protheans learning through contact isn't a viable point for training them either. If you give a human a tail, they won't be able to effectively control it for years, maybe even decades. Meaning you'd either have to wait it out for them to be able to control that ability, or do it the old fashioned way, both of which take time, and would likely not be finished for the end of the reaper war.

2) Finding a secret bunker with a hundred protheans is in no way plausible and Justifiable. Were all of these protheans to be in perfect health, they would have popped out of their pods right after the reapers left, warned the galaxy, created a major prescence in the galaxy and created effective weapons to use against them. They wouldn't choose to exit them at the immediate end of a cycle, where their knowledge means nothing. Also, nobody's going to be searching for them. I cannot think of one scenario in which you would tell a research team to "go out into the galaxy and sweep every single planet for even the possibility of a Prothean base, while your home planet burns to ashes and you could all be developing the Crucible". It would be a complete waste of time, and likely never happen. If no-one managed to find them within the space that the reapers were gone, then they really aren't going to find anything in a few months.

3) Nobody would have the time to clone Protheans. Every able-bodied researcher is working on getting the crucible up and running, not running around finding milennia-extinct things to clone. Plus, you have to go through Javik, the only Prothean alive and capable of being cloned, who seems very much reluctant to get his race up and running, considering his thoughts on what he will do when the war ends, I don't think he wants to be cloned.


So finding a bunker is out of the question, and Javik doesn't want to be cloned, nor would anyone likely try to find him with a war going on and reapers zipping around the galaxy. Plus cloning them would require training and teaching them to use their powers, which would take a long time and may never pay off. Much easier to clone little dinosaurs for the Krogan to ride on.

 
2. The pods had to be opened from the Outside just have the VI that ran the Facility Malfunction after sealing them in its easy enough. And Cereberus could have found the Bunker. People Believed Protheans to be extinct they were happy just finding Knowledge from them look how long it took them to find the info about the Reapers if your going to try and make a point try harder 


Thanks for reminding me: Next problem with it is the fact of sustained power. These bunkers were meant to keep them in for a couple hundred years, while the reapers buggered off, not milennia after that. They had to have a limited power supply as to keep them off the radar and prevent the Reapers simply finding them and blowing their plan into multiple pieces, as such, they would have to sacrifice power to keep them alive, and I assure, you, 100 protheans would not come out of it, look at Ilos, which was running a simple VI and several hundred researchers. Also, the AI would have pulled them out AFTER the reapers left, not when they're coming back, were it to fail, then it would be clear that the reapers would have been there to make it fail, meaning that they would likely pick up on any presence there and simply move in and finish the job they started. Also, convenient that Cerberus would find TWO bunkers, both with live protheans in them, in a "needle in a haystack" situation with a million planets to look on with a million different places on each planet to look on. I doubt they'd get a streak going, nor would they need a streak, they don't need Protheans for their plan on stopping the reapers, to them it was a side objective to do along the way.

PS: If you're going to counter someone's counter-argument, make sure to both use punctuation and do so in a proper fashion. Not only is your point look like it's written by a three-year old just learning to use a keyboard, but also egging someone on to keep going in a fully-defensive argument is also a bad idea. There's a million ways your points could not happen, and only a few in which it would.




Fair enough, you make logical points... however... perhaps you missed something already addressed or you omitted it for whatever reason...



"I don't think you even understand the incompetency of the Reapers. They suffer HEAVILY from hubris and it made them overlook Javik when the Eden Prime bunker detonated the neutron purge. They were so confident in their abilities that they assumed that they had killed all of the Protheans and just left. If they were so careless with this facility, why should anyone believe that they were careful with the search of the rest of the galaxy?

All of the Protheans lost connection with each other, so the Reapers were forced into searching for the remainder manually. Given their incompetency, how is anyone supposed to believe that they killed every last one of them? The only reason that Eden Prime's bunker was found was because indoctrinated traitors gave the info to the Reapers. The probability of that happening to every bunker across the GALAXY is laughable, especially because without communications, there would be no one to betray others, and considering the neutron purge was the reason only Javik survived, the remaining bunkers would sustain most if not all of the life they were intended to.


No one can say with certainty what happened to the remnants of the Protheans. It used to be an unquestioned truth that the Protheans were all dead, but that got thrown out the window with Javik. There is no real reason to fully believe that EVERY one of them is dead. That does not mean that there are billions of them left, but there is reason to believe that there could be a significant enough supply of them to earn a SP DLC and an UR MP card. It might be a bit of a stretch, but there could be some ships/race/colony that freaks out Raloi style and decides to go venturing into territory of previously inactive relays to flee from the Reapers that results in them finding a stasis facility. There are plenty of ways that they could be discovered, that is just one I came up with a while ago."

Again, credit goes to Father Superior.

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 This is were most Mass Effect fans can crash in an Air Plane, because everyone can agree, for the most part, the single player end was lame. 

So this is where I stand, the single player isn't going to change, It Is What It Is, and I'm fine with that. So now the only thing I have left is a fun MP. I could care less if it accuretly ties into the SP. But most of you guys cry either way. Its as if Bioware is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
How can cry about them putting in Protheans when were fighting the Geth? Regaurdles if they were a war asset to you or not.
Jus add a effing Prothean Bioware Please, im more interested in having fun im MP then the importance of story in SP. Anyone that feels differant can jump off a cliff and suffer a horid death!! 

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Bump.

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Lajkos wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Javik, the last prothean.


This. There is no lore friendly way to have MP Protheans


I'M WRITING IN CAPS AND RED SO EVERYONE CAN READ THIS.

There is a lore-friendly way. As the OP said, a hidden bunker with a handful of protheans.

And this would not be some random planet. The planet would be Klencory.

"Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."
Shol has been excavating on Klencory's toxic surface for two
decades, at great expense. No government has valued the world enough to
evict his small army of mercenaries.

His once-ridiculed visions of "beings of light" protecting organic life
from synthetic "machine devils" don't seem quite so far-fetched now. His
private army of mercenaries are well-established on the planet, waiting
for husks to come knocking in on their door. In all likelihood, they will be obliterated by the molten metal of a Reaper orbital bombardment, on its way to somewhere important."



And there you have it. Shol will discover a bunker that he cannot open, but a prothean can. So who's he gonna call? Javik. And the squad will find more protheans. Then they will be added to MP because Bioware needs more races and they know they will make lots of money off of people trying to unlock them in future dlc.

;)

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Rachnii were extinct too

Put that in your pipe and smoke it

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Ace-Hood wrote...

Read ghost whisperers sig thats ****ing weird


I think he's referencing the fact that a lot of gay men are only interested in sex, or something.

Not sure about that on the BSN though.

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OH I almost forgot!

Lore doesn't matter when it comes to MP anyways!

It's funny how all of you "pro-lore" people don't complain about fighting geth in London, or having geth, reaper and cerberus ALL WORKING TOGETHER on platinum. But when it comes to protheans, you get all defensive on the lore.

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rockthatwood wrote...

OH I almost forgot!

Lore doesn't matter when it comes to MP anyways!

It's funny how all of you "pro-lore" people don't complain about fighting geth in London, or having geth, reaper and cerberus ALL WORKING TOGETHER on platinum. But when it comes to protheans, you get all defensive on the lore.



Of course we complain about it; it as badly thought out.

However, those things are in game and always will be.

The protheans aren't in the game yet, for a good reason.


No point arguing about no-sensical operations

Point arguing about including a race which has been extinct for 50,000 years.

It's what made Javik special, i feel like MP is trying to 'leech' off SP now :(

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"Lore friendly."

If by that you mean SHOE HORN.

Salarian cloning, eh? Because they have the time to clone a prothean that they don't have access to while their world is burning to the ground in the middle of a galactic crisis. MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

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Good point kira, there is no way in hell that javik would agree to being cloned.

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Javik the jackass

Lol suits him well

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rockthatwood wrote...

Lajkos wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Javik, the last prothean.


This. There is no lore friendly way to have MP Protheans


I'M WRITING IN CAPS AND RED SO EVERYONE CAN READ THIS.

There is a lore-friendly way. As the OP said, a hidden bunker with a handful of protheans.

And this would not be some random planet. The planet would be Klencory.

"Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."
Shol has been excavating on Klencory's toxic surface for two
decades, at great expense. No government has valued the world enough to
evict his small army of mercenaries.

His once-ridiculed visions of "beings of light" protecting organic life
from synthetic "machine devils" don't seem quite so far-fetched now. His
private army of mercenaries are well-established on the planet, waiting
for husks to come knocking in on their door. In all likelihood, they will be obliterated by the molten metal of a Reaper orbital bombardment, on its way to somewhere important."



And there you have it. Shol will discover a bunker that he cannot open, but a prothean can. So who's he gonna call? Javik. And the squad will find more protheans. Then they will be added to MP because Bioware needs more races and they know they will make lots of money off of people trying to unlock them in future dlc.

;)




Skullheart wrote...

Javik, the last prothean.

 





I got this DLC in my Collector's Edition that said I was getting the last Prothean for my squad.

So there's more?

Can I have my $10 back? Javik is no longer special.

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Cloning protheans...yeah, because cloning a species that has sensory systems that aren't the same as us as soliders worked out so well when we did it for the rachni on noveria right?

We were able to figure out how to raise them right before they went permanently crazy and turned into killing machines the last time it was done under extremely controlled conditions, that's how it went down in my playthrough at least.

/sarcasm.

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Think of it this way. Someday they're FINALLY gonna run out of ideas and will be forced to turn to this, provided they don't go to it any sooner.

Not to mention, there actually could be a nice sentimental side to it. Like, imagine Javik, ready to end his life now that the Reapers are gone, finds out that his people are not quite yet extinct. Not only that, but they too have actually been helping fight the Reapers. But that's neither here nor there.

I lend you Pro-Protheans (lol) my support, but I honestly would like to see the Terminus Pack DLC idea come to fruition before then, as its creator just put in too much effort for BioWare to not even take so much as a look.

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DullahansXMark wrote...

Think of it this way. Someday they're FINALLY gonna run out of ideas and will be forced to turn to this, provided they don't go to it any sooner.

Not to mention, there actually could be a nice sentimental side to it. Like, imagine Javik, ready to end his life now that the Reapers are gone, finds out that his people are not quite yet extinct. Not only that, but they too have actually been helping fight the Reapers. But that's neither here nor there.

I lend you Pro-Protheans (lol) my support, but I honestly would like to see the Terminus Pack DLC idea come to fruition before then, as its creator just put in too much effort for BioWare to not even take so much as a look.


Actually in the extended cut javik now wants to go to the hanar homeworld and live like a king. So with the other protehans I expect the krogan empire and the new prothean legion to battle in the future galaxy.