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[Zanzibaarus]

sartt wrote...

wouldn't be hard to clone them... the Collectors still have prothean DNA DO IT!

Reapers completely rewrote the Prothean DNA that Collectors HAD. This genetic rewrite is what makes Collectors, well, Collectors.

[Father Superior]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Javik, the last prothean.

OP: STAY TUNED FOR THE "NEW LAST PROTHEAN(S)" DLC IN MASS EFFECT 3'S AMAZING MULTIPLAYER MODE. NO LORE BREAKING ACTION HERE FOLKS.

Fans: YOU BETRAYED THE LORE!!!!

OP: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE.

/thread

I don't think that you understand how to use "/thread". You're supposed to type something witty and understandable first.

N7-Link wrote...

Prothean ultra rare char [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

That would be fine. If anything, it would add to the realism. 

Beefprophet wrote...

Nonononononnono, screw the lore for a second. The last thing Bioware needs to do is add even MORE classes to a game mode that's already overflowing with ****ty classes that noone wants to play (human sentinal, female quarian infiltrator etc).

Why don't we focus on making ALL the classes more fun to play, rather than adding more classes that end up being more of the same. Besides, what are they gonna do with Protheans besides an essentially playable Javik?

"I don't like it; therefore, no one does!"
You are not being rational at all if you are really arguing that adding new content would not keep the game fresh. And your preferences and situation do not serve as an archetype for the entire community. I have everything unlocked at least once (save a few select gears) and I thoroughly enjoy using the Human Sentinels and Female Quarian Infiltrator. Just because you think they are bad doesn't make it so. I am 85% convinced you're trolling because you actually said that the HUMAN SENTINEL is a ****ty class. If you seriously believe that a Warp+Throw BE Explosion Machine with a 40-50% DR is bad, you should check into some kind of medical facility. Another thing you fail to realize is that there is no "fixing" the existing classes; Bioware can buff or nerf (more than likely nerf) whatever classes they want, but they do not show any sign whatsoever of changing the power sets of the existing classes. By the way, new character types, dodge moves, powers, maps, and possibly enemy factions are not "more of the same"; keeping the existing classes only and just tweaking them however is. 

The Waffle Cat wrote...

lore lol

Starchild sayin he controls the reapers ---> leviathan a rogue reaper...wut?

lore is a joke.

It is quite comical how many other details will be overlooked by anti-Protheans. The entire argument is really similar to communicating with a delusional person: you need to work within their world to prevent them from turning hostile, even though you know d*mn well that they are oblivious to their surroundings and are flat-out wrong. 

vliktor wrote...

I would like to see (or play) the Protheans in a future ME game, maybe as a flashback, but not on the current MP setup. They're extinct for a reason; cloning them would be just wrong.

What exactly gives you the authority to tell me, or anyone else, what would and would not be considered "just wrong"? You give absolutely no reasoning, no evidence, nothing. And you're pathetic attempt at an argument is laughably inaccurate; "They're extinct for a reason"? Really? That's the best you could do? Not only is it among the most underdeveloped statements you could possibly try to give, but it is also completely incorrect. The reason that species go extinct is their inability to adapt to their surroundings and maintain a steady population by passing on its genetic material. If a species is hunted or poached by a more powerful species to the point of extinction, it is not accurate to say that they just "went extinct", as it was not nature's plan. Adapting to an environment that is actively seeking to kill you is incredibly unlikely to happen over the course of meer centuries and to call the victims "unable to adapt" is insulting. A lion does not seek to wipe out the entire population of its prey, it only seeks to feed on what it is able to. Humans do not seek to kill all cows, we only kill those that we intend to eat (for the most part, accidents happen). If the Holocaust was a successful endeavor, would you say that the victim races "went extinct" or would you say that they were actively searched for and systematically killed? There is a difference between natural selection and genocide. 

jacob92883 wrote...

I haven't read everything in this topic but I can give the perfect answer for adding protheans to multiplayer; Klencory is a prothean built cloning facility. It would have been designed to quickly grow and train prothean troops for the war effort. And not just the protheans we know, but all the species in the prothean empire. And you must be wondering how this facility survived; the toxic atmosphere of Klencory would have helped to hide it but that is only part of the answer. They would have dismantled the power supply in order for their empire to be resurrected by the intelligent species of the next cycle. This is how you add protheans to multiplayer and maintain the lore.

It is part of the OP, it is definitely a strong possibility. 

Zanzibaarus wrote...

sartt wrote...

wouldn't be hard to clone them... the Collectors still have prothean DNA DO IT!

Reapers completely rewrote the Prothean DNA that Collectors HAD. This genetic rewrite is what makes Collectors, well, Collectors.

Collector DNA wouldn't be the only component of the project. It could be used, alongside dead Prothean DNA recovered from Ilos or the other pods on Eden Prime and Javik's live DNA, to compare differences and similarities and better understand the genetic material of the Protheans, but it can be assumed that it wouldn't be able to clone Protheans using Collector DNA alone.

Modifié par Father Superior, 18 août 2012 - 04:15 .

[ToaOrka]

Suddenly, Javik's just some scrub.

[jacob92883]

I was on the wiki earlier and I noticed the Reapers left an awful lot of prothean artifacts and relics around. You'd think that if they left that many clues laying around they might have missed a facility or two as well.

The Reapers also only found Javik's facility because of indoctrinated agents among the his personnel. So WHAT IF another base managed to succeed where Javik failed.

[Father Superior]

ToaOrka wrote...

Suddenly, Javik's just some scrub.

Javik, Avatar of Vengeance and first Prothean to emerge from a cryogenic sleep in the next cycle who could potentially be responsible for reviving his race and commanding an army of them that would help defeat the Reapers, would be a "scrub"? Sounds like you have some pretty d*mn high standards.

[corporal doody]

Father Superior wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

and im not convinced Javik would ALLOW himself to be cloned. so any cloning would have to be from other sources (fossilized Prothean remains perhaps)....if it was possible...im pretty sure they would have done this by the time our story began.

so no...i doubt cloning.


and conveniently finding prothean cryo tubes with live protheans...en masse....laughable

"Hey guys, 'corporal doody' said he isn't convinced a character we created would do what we said he'd do, so it looks like that whole Prothean thing is a no-go." -Heard in the Bioware offices

You are not raising any points for your side of the argument at all and have presented absolutely no proof, so you are really just continually bumping a thread that you disagree with. Smart. 

WOOOOO

WOOO....


<INSERT SNARKY COMMENT THAT SHOWS HOW MAGNANIMOUS I AM AND HOW MUCH YOU SUCK>

here on the BSN you win a "What IF..." argument with a COUNTER "What IF..." 

and/or  "My Speculation and Lack of Proof" DEFEATS "Your as Speculation and Lack of Proof"..... EVEN WHEN NOTHING EXISTS TO PROVE OR DISPROVE EITHER SPECULATION.

this is far more true when WIT is applied (or attempted) i guess



AND since when is it that one can only post in a thread if they AGREE with something?  The title clearly states "ARGUMENTS"   so um.

Modifié par corporal doody, 18 août 2012 - 04:35 .

[Alpha735]

jacob92883 wrote...

I was on the wiki earlier and I noticed the Reapers left an awful lot of prothean artifacts and relics around. You'd think that if they left that many clues laying around they might have missed a facility or two as well.

The Reapers also only found Javik's facility because of indoctrinated agents among the his personnel. So WHAT IF another base managed to succeed where Javik failed.

It would be highly improbable (Notice, not impossible) for a prothean stasis facility to be found that actually contains living protheans, as Javik's facility was a rare case. Ironically, Javik was only preserved until this cycle because of the power loss. The protheans' plan for the stasis pods was to remain in stasis until the reapers left, then immediately begin rebuilding an empire. Thus, if any stasis facilities managed to survive unharmed, the protheans contained within would have started a new prothean empire, and the events of Mass Effect would not be possible. The only way for more protheans to have survived via stasis is if they experienced the exact same power malfunction as Javik's installation.

That being said, I believe cloning could be a viable way to introduce protheans, but I don't really see Javik as a willing donor of DNA. Perhaps a prothean VI would be willing to offer medical records?

[Father Superior]

jacob92883 wrote...

I was on the wiki earlier and I noticed the Reapers left an awful lot of prothean artifacts and relics around. You'd think that if they left that many clues laying around they might have missed a facility or two as well.

The Reapers also only found Javik's facility because of indoctrinated agents among the his personnel. So WHAT IF another base managed to succeed where Javik failed.

People seem to over-estimate the thoroughness of the Reapers. They carelessly left Javik alive, why should anyone believe that they didn't make any other mistakes?

[corporal doody]

Alpha735 wrote...

jacob92883 wrote...

I was on the wiki earlier and I noticed the Reapers left an awful lot of prothean artifacts and relics around. You'd think that if they left that many clues laying around they might have missed a facility or two as well.

The Reapers also only found Javik's facility because of indoctrinated agents among the his personnel. So WHAT IF another base managed to succeed where Javik failed.

It would be highly improbable (Notice, not impossible) for a prothean stasis facility to be found that actually contains living protheans, as Javik's facility was a rare case. Ironically, Javik was only preserved until this cycle because of the power loss. The protheans' plan for the stasis pods was to remain in stasis until the reapers left, then immediately begin rebuilding an empire. Thus, if any stasis facilities managed to survive unharmed, the protheans contained within would have started a new prothean empire, and the events of Mass Effect would not be possible. The only way for more protheans to have survived via stasis is if they experienced the exact same power malfunction as Javik's installation.

That being said, I believe cloning could be a viable way to introduce protheans, but I don't really see Javik as a willing donor of DNA. Perhaps a prothean VI would be willing to offer medical records?

i dunno man.....The cloning of Krogan to be used as troops in ME1 was seen as abominable. But the cloning of Protheans to be used as troops...cool beans?  i guess it is only a moral and ethical issue when they are on your side.

I do agree that Javik WOULD NOT ALLOW himself to be cloned.

the VI thing i didnt think about.

anyother way...if it could have been done...it would have been done already.

[Garland7A]

I think we have enough race/classes, they need to add more enemy factions imo.

[Alpha735]

i dunno man.....The cloning of Krogan to be used as troops in ME1 was seen as abominable. But the cloning of Protheans to be used as troops...cool beans?  i guess it is only a moral and ethical issue when they are on your side.

(sorry, the above is meant to be a quote)

I think total annihilation might soften up the ethical boundaries of cloning an army. In fact, as the war with the reapers goes on, the council might welcome the possibility of a massive cloned krogan army (well, maybe not the salarians).

Modifié par Alpha735, 18 août 2012 - 04:48 .

[corporal doody]

Alpha735 wrote...

i dunno man.....The cloning of Krogan to be used as troops in ME1 was seen as abominable. But the cloning of Protheans to be used as troops...cool beans?  i guess it is only a moral and ethical issue when they are on your side.

I think total annihilation might soften up the ethical boundaries of cloning an army. In fact, as the war with the reapers goes on, the council might welcome the possibility of a massive cloned krogan army (well, maybe not the salarians).

the council couldnt afford it. What did they say..the galactic econonmy would collapse after only a year.

and with all the resources and top scientist working on the cruicible..... i dunno


edit: and the..."oh they cloned the klakulosaur (or whatever they are called)" i would argue that cloning a animal is "easier" than cloning a "person."
 
we can clone a sheep or mouse....but i have yet to see them clone a person (scientific and moral/ethical issues need apply!)

Modifié par corporal doody, 18 août 2012 - 04:51 .

[Alpha735]

corporal doody wrote...

Alpha735 wrote...

i dunno man.....The cloning of Krogan to be used as troops in ME1 was seen as abominable. But the cloning of Protheans to be used as troops...cool beans?  i guess it is only a moral and ethical issue when they are on your side.

I think total annihilation might soften up the ethical boundaries of cloning an army. In fact, as the war with the reapers goes on, the council might welcome the possibility of a massive cloned krogan army (well, maybe not the salarians).

the council couldnt afford it. What did they say..the galactic econonmy would collapse after only a year.

and with all the resources and top scientist working on the cruicible..... i dunno


edit: and the..."oh they cloned the klakulosaur (or whatever they are called)" i would argue that cloning a animal is "easier" than cloning a "person."
 
we can clone a sheep or mouse....but i have yet to see them clone a person (scientific and moral/ethical issues need apply!)

Yeah, I guess the council's resources are already stretched, plus the research might take too long. How long is ME3 anyway?

[corporal doody]

Alpha735 wrote...


Yeah, I guess the council's resources are already stretched, plus the research might take too long. How long is ME3 anyway?

less than a year. i wanna say six months....but i dunno..they didnt say

Modifié par corporal doody, 18 août 2012 - 04:55 .

[Kataigida]

Cloning is the absolute worst way that they could implement Protheans, even if there was already some facility that was trying to clone them since before the war. I'd rather they just found a random bunker somewhere that had a platoon of Protheans in it...but even then, that idea is far fetched. Why? Well for one, the base would have automatically awoken the protheans after a few hundred or maybe a couple thousand years so that they could re-populate and regrow their empire. Even if by some chance their systems got fried like Javik's, the facility isn't going to have enough power to last 50,000 years and save a platoon-sized group of Protheans. Even with auto-awakening, the Prothean bunker on Ilos couldn't sustain its population, and it was supposed to do actually what it is you want to propose. Only about two dozen out of hundreds of Protheans survived until they were re-awoken. And then in Javik's case, he had a fairly large army in stasis...all of whom had to be purged because there wasn't enough power, because in the end, the power only was enough for a single Prothean to survive 50,000 years.

[elessarz]

You have to realize that there are very few N7s and indeed very few Justicars in the galaxy. Whenever you play a game you might as well be playing with the last Justicar to be alive because from your point of view that is the only Justicar you know. Multiplayer is already a fantasy, and maintaining the illusion that it is faithful to the internal logic of the singleplayer is ridiculous. Bioware themselves threw that out of the window. If they find one Prothean why couldn't they find more? Even if you clone one you can't sustain a population, but you can certainly build a small army.

Modifié par elessarz, 18 août 2012 - 04:57 .

[corporal doody]

Garland7A wrote...

I think we have enough race/classes, they need to add more enemy factions imo.

Failed brain-dead Cloned Protheans! (aka..ZOMBIE MODE)

and Collectors!!


EVERYBODY WINS!!

Modifié par corporal doody, 18 août 2012 - 05:03 .

[Kataigida]

corporal doody wrote...

Garland7A wrote...

I think we have enough race/classes, they need to add more enemy factions imo.

Failed brain-dead Cloned Protheans! (aka..ZOMBIE MODE)

and Collectors!!


EVERYBODY WINS!!

Aren't the Collectors basically just zombie-protheans anyway?

Edit: MOST of the collectors anyway

Modifié par Kataigida, 18 août 2012 - 05:05 .

[corporal doody]

Kataigida wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Garland7A wrote...

I think we have enough race/classes, they need to add more enemy factions imo.

Failed brain-dead Cloned Protheans! (aka..ZOMBIE MODE)

and Collectors!!


EVERYBODY WINS!!

Aren't the Collectors basically just zombie-protheans anyway?

Edit: MOST of the collectors anyway

I KNOW RIGHT!!!?

hehehe

Modifié par corporal doody, 18 août 2012 - 05:07 .

[SapientesGladio]

Opportunistic

[jacob92883]

I agree that the Reapers did a damn good job exterminating the protheans, they left several artifacts (including beacons, databanks, and other such objects) around the galaxy. Shepard discovered several of them in the short time we had control over his/our story. As did Liara. And if you look at the prothean empire and it's ethics that we have been exposed to, I don't think they would have the same problems with cloning as the intelligent beings in this cycle do. They could have hidden a cloning facility on a planet beyond a dead relay, minus the power supply. Now this is all speculation but it gives the option, with a little evidence/proof to add believability to the discovery. And you could even say they had growth acceleration technology to grow the clones quickly.

[Nuisance78]

**** lore we need new enemies to kill at this point I'll be down with killing N, Koreans.

[RasenRebirth]

I want Protheans with them they could add Collecters to fight

[Rib0flavin]

Agreed, so we all want failed cloned protheans and some reaper controlled collectors as new enemies right?

[Schneidend]

Lore issues aside, I just don't want them to waste time and effort making Prothean classes. I'd much rather see Spectre alien classes (to mirror the N7s) or Mercenary (Blue Sun, Eclipse, Blood Pack, etc.) classes.